So Ottawa is accepting refugee applications from Gaza.

[TreeBeard]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Are you suggesting that immigrants do not commit ANY crimes, that here in Canada we do not have gangs that are made up of immigrants say like some of those listed below

No.  I quoted the statistics.   Immigrants commit less crime, not no crime. 

[I am Groot]

On 1/5/2024 at 2:34 PM, TreeBeard said:

If only we had some facts on how immigration affects crime rates….   Oh wait, we do.  And it’s great news!

 

https://crdcn.ca/publication/immigration-and-crime-evidence-from-canada/
…new immigrants do not have a significant impact on the property crime rate, but with time spent in Canada, a 10% increase in the recent-immigrant share or established-immigrant share decreases the property crime rate by 2% to 3%. Neither underreporting to police nor the dilution of the criminal pool by the addition of law-abiding immigrants can fully explain the size of the estimates. This suggests that immigration has a spillover effect, such as changing neighbourhood characteristics, which reduces crime rates in the long run.

https://www.tps.ca/organizational-chart/specialized-operations-command/detective-operations/investigative-services/homicide/most-wanted/

[CITIZEN_2015]

On 1/3/2024 at 11:42 AM, QuebecOverCanada said:

The issue isn't even that those refugees would be dangerous. Look at all the Syrian and Afghan refugees we welcomed here. The issue isn't terrorism, not even close to that.

The issue is that we have no housing, we have a declining economy with a crumbling healthcare system, with little room in our schools, and we want to welcome MORE people.

The issue at hand is much more pragmatic; we can't welcome more people here.

EDIT: Well of course we can, but at our expense financially. Let's go homelessness!

The main issue is not terrorosm or housingg, health or education though they are important issues too.  Neither of you speak of real issue. The real issue is that we are bringing in people of incompativle culture to that of Canada. Among these people would be those who are women haters, hating Jews and Christians, wanting to close bars and ban alcohol and impose their subhuman violent beliefs whixh lashes women for refusing to wear the f*cking hijab. 

Death and destruction to the religion and those f*cking clergy which  allows or orders or encourages lashing womem,

https://www.timesofisrael.com/woman-in-iran-receives-74-lashings-for-not-covering-hair-violating-public-morals/

Edited January 7 by CITIZEN_2015

[blackbird]

18 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Immigrants commit less crime, not no crime. 

We see thousands of Palestinian immigrants protesting and demonstrating in the streets and sometimes blocking highways or roads and demanding Israel be eliminated.  They should not even be here.  Deport them.

[blackbird]

11 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

The real issue is that we are bringing in people of incompativle culture with that of Canada. Among these people would be those who are women haters, hating Jews and Christians, wanting to close bars and ban alcohol and impose their subhuman violent beliefs whixh lashes women for refusing to wear the f*cking hijab. 

You are absolutely right. You could say it just as effectively with the f word though.  Sadly many liberals and NDP support bringing in these kind of people.  I can't figure out how they reason.  What kind of ideology do they have?  Liberals profess to be multicultural and inclusive but the people they bring in are anything but.

[DUI_Offender]

On 1/6/2024 at 2:08 PM, TreeBeard said:

Why does it matter if white skin colour is reducing in numbers?   Did you know that at one time there were zero white people on the planet?

Source?

[Jack9000]

sad to see whats happened today in toronto   immigration is  the only thing i can get on board with the right wing on sadly.

[eyeball]

32 minutes ago, Jack9000 said:

sad to see whats happened today in toronto   immigration is  the only thing i can get on board with the right wing on sadly.

What happened in Toronto today that made you tie it to right wing sensibilities on the topic of immigration?

And perhaps it needs to be said again that an immigrant is different than a refugee which is what the thread was about. What I notice most about the right-wing is that little to no attempt at all is made to differentiate between a refugee and an immigrant.

[TreeBeard]

6 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Source?

You really don’t know that white skin colour is an evolutionary trait that came about with the migration to Europe?  
 

https://www.science.org/content/article/how-europeans-evolved-white-skin
 

“When it comes to skin color, the team found a patchwork of evolution in different places, and three separate genes that produce light skin, telling a complex story for how European's skin evolved to be much lighter during the past 8000 years. The modern humans who came out of Africa to originally settle Europe about 40,000 years are presumed to have had dark skin, which is advantageous in sunny latitudes. And the new data confirm that about 8500 years ago, early hunter-gatherers in Spain, Luxembourg, and Hungary also had darker skin: They lacked versions of two genes—SLC24A5 and SLC45A2—that lead to depigmentation and, therefore, pale skin in Europeans today.

But in the far north—where low light levels would favor pale skin—the team found a different picture in hunter-gatherers: Seven people from the 7700-year-old Motala archaeological site in southern Sweden had both light skin gene variants, SLC24A5 and SLC45A2. They also had a third gene, HERC2/OCA2, which causes blue eyes and may also contribute to light skin and blond hair. Thus ancient hunter-gatherers of the far north were already pale and blue-eyed, but those of central and southern Europe had darker skin.

Then, the first farmers from the Near East arrived in Europe; they carried both genes for light skin. As they interbred with the indigenous hunter-gatherers, one of their light-skin genes swept through Europe, so that central and southern Europeans also began to have lighter skin. The other gene variant, SLC45A2, was at low levels until about 5800 years ago when it swept up to high frequency.”

[I am Groot]

17 hours ago, eyeball said:

What happened in Toronto today that made you tie it to right wing sensibilities on the topic of immigration?

And perhaps it needs to be said again that an immigrant is different than a refugee which is what the thread was about. What I notice most about the right-wing is that little to no attempt at all is made to differentiate between a refugee and an immigrant.

We want the numbers to come down in both areas. Most refugees are just immigrants who jumped the queue anyway. They're economic migrants looking to go to a better country just like immigrants. 

[Army Guy]

19 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

You really don’t know that white skin colour is an evolutionary trait that came about with the migration to Europe?  
 

https://www.science.org/content/article/how-europeans-evolved-white-skin
 

“When it comes to skin color, the team found a patchwork of evolution in different places, and three separate genes that produce light skin, telling a complex story for how European's skin evolved to be much lighter during the past 8000 years. The modern humans who came out of Africa to originally settle Europe about 40,000 years are presumed to have had dark skin, which is advantageous in sunny latitudes. And the new data confirm that about 8500 years ago, early hunter-gatherers in Spain, Luxembourg, and Hungary also had darker skin: They lacked versions of two genes—SLC24A5 and SLC45A2—that lead to depigmentation and, therefore, pale skin in Europeans today.

But in the far north—where low light levels would favor pale skin—the team found a different picture in hunter-gatherers: Seven people from the 7700-year-old Motala archaeological site in southern Sweden had both light skin gene variants, SLC24A5 and SLC45A2. They also had a third gene, HERC2/OCA2, which causes blue eyes and may also contribute to light skin and blond hair. Thus ancient hunter-gatherers of the far north were already pale and blue-eyed, but those of central and southern Europe had darker skin.

Then, the first farmers from the Near East arrived in Europe; they carried both genes for light skin. As they interbred with the indigenous hunter-gatherers, one of their light-skin genes swept through Europe, so that central and southern Europeans also began to have lighter skin. The other gene variant, SLC45A2, was at low levels until about 5800 years ago when it swept up to high frequency.”

So we were all the same color at one point in time, then we went our own ways populating the globe...and while you have explained the color of everyones skin...we have many things that make us different,

culture for one, in some cultures beating women is normal, expected, while in others it is a crime, religion is another huge factor that drives or controls some cultures...the list goes on, Some cultures just don't mix well with others, as we have seen with hard core muslim and western values, and morals...

and if you look here in Canada we don't live side by side, muslim communities exist becasue they want to live by other muslims , same as white people, or black communities...it is human nature to be attracted to your own kind it is not racist it is just a human trait...Now we can go on about the skin color, but in reality we are all different and very few cultures choose to live in a mixed community, there are other reasons as well perhaps because they share other things in common, rich or poor, celebrates, old age, etc......

[TreeBeard]

4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

So we were all the same color at one point in time, then we went our own ways populating the globe...and while you have explained the color of everyones skin...we have many things that make us different,

Yes.  The poster didn’t know humans were once completely non-white. 
 

4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

it is human nature to be attracted to your own kind it is not racist it is just a human trait

Most people strive to do better than “human nature” where white skin is something one rallies around.  But you do you.   

[Army Guy]

12 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Yes.  The poster didn’t know humans were once completely non-white. 
 

Most people strive to do better than “human nature” where white skin is something one rallies around.  But you do you.   

Yet today we identify race by color of skin,

No they don't , thats why we have ethic blocks like china town, reserves, or in some parts of ontario entire communities of muslims, the list goes on, why becasue thats who they feel the most comfortable , same as rich and poor, i grew up in a trailer park that was full of multi ethnic people, we got along becasue we all had one thing in common we were poor as sh*t....

[I am Groot]

18 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Yes.  The poster didn’t know humans were once completely non-white. 
 

Most people strive to do better than “human nature” where white skin is something one rallies around.  But you do you.   

Is this exercise in paleoanthropology at an end? 

[eyeball]

On 1/8/2024 at 11:51 AM, I am Groot said:

We want the numbers to come down in both areas. Most refugees are just immigrants who jumped the queue anyway. They're economic migrants looking to go to a better country just like immigrants. 

Economic considerations are bigger now than national aspirations. Remember when wanting to get ahead economically was a virtue?  Now that economic opportunities are harder to come by, wanting to get getting ahead is a threat.

In the meantime the soon to be biggest economic consideration will be coming into play on a planet near you, one that should have been the basis for limiting our population growth years and years ago.

Meet the economist who wants the field to account for nature

“For so much of our history, humanity had operated under the assumption that nature was infinite,” says Daily. “We knew that collapses of civilization were at least in part because of the destruction of the local environment, but nobody thought that could happen at a planetary scale.”

https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/12/26/1084603/gretchen-daily-economist-environment-accounting/

Wanting, needing, hoping to get ahead nationally will increasingly be a sign of desperation in the face of the inevitable need to scale back everyone's expectations of getting ahead economically. There's only ever been so much to go around and we're running out of it.

Edited January 10 by eyeball

[WestCanMan]

On 1/5/2024 at 11:34 AM, TreeBeard said:

If only we had some facts on how immigration affects crime rates….   Oh wait, we do.  And it’s great news!

 

https://crdcn.ca/publication/immigration-and-crime-evidence-from-canada/
…new immigrants do not have a significant impact on the property crime rate, but with time spent in Canada, a 10% increase in the recent-immigrant share or established-immigrant share decreases the property crime rate by 2% to 3%. Neither underreporting to police nor the dilution of the criminal pool by the addition of law-abiding immigrants can fully explain the size of the estimates. This suggests that immigration has a spillover effect, such as changing neighbourhood characteristics, which reduces crime rates in the long run.

Where do you get your crime stats for this assertion?

Why would new refugees have to commit property crimes when they get free food and shelter? Usually when people steal it's because they don't have those things, right? 

Do you know what property crime is?

Do you think that the property crime rate includes things like blah, blahblah, blah blah blah, blahblah blahblah, terrorist attacks, etc? 

Do you think that Canadians are worried that people are coming from the world's foremost terrorist grooming state to Canada to steal bikes, or cookies from the corner store? 

Oh, here's one.... Do you think that native Canadians have higher terrorist attack rates than non-bacon-eating immigrants? No, far from it. <click

Stop playing stupid like it's the World Series.

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Economic considerations are bigger now than national aspirations. Remember when wanting to get ahead economically was a virtue?  Now that economic opportunities are harder to come by, wanting to get getting ahead is a threat.

Let them get ahead in their own country. Because the way it's working here is they come in and provide cheap labour to employers to stop them from having to increase wages and benefits and invest in training and technology. It's one of the big factors, along with oligopolies, helping to push down our GDP per person. We're getting less productive because we're bringing in millions of less productive workers.

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

In the meantime the soon to be biggest economic consideration will be coming into play on a planet near you, one that should have been the basis for limiting our population growth years and years ago.

Meet the economist who wants the field to account for nature

I'd rather not. Man has survived where other creatures have not because of our adaptability. And if our economy remains strong we can adapt to a warmer planet. But we need the money to build flood walls, or maybe irrigation systems, depending on where. We need the money to build stronger buildings and to figure out how to best adapt our agriculture to things. We need money to build nuclear plants to provide the power for more electric driven cars and buses and more power to heat and air condition buildings.

No, we're not going back into caves and lower our expectations. We're going to do research and figure out how to improve things everywhere, which is what we should've been doing for decades but don't because we leave that to other countries.

[TreeBeard]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Is this exercise in paleoanthropology at an end? 

I don’t know… any more high-school level questions about evolution?

[Moonlight Graham]

Immigrants don't commit crimes, poor people do, especially poor people from countries with a lot of crime and violence and lack of rule of law due to the poverty of the country.  Doctors from the middle east aren't committing many crimes when they move here and neither are their children.  The biggest reason people are typically poor is because they're aren't well educated.

Import poor people and a disproportionate # of them will commit crimes compared to the Canadian average.

Edited January 10 by Moonlight Graham

[cougar]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Do you think that Canadians are worried that people are coming from the world's foremost terrorist grooming state to Canada to steal bikes, or cookies from the corner store? 

Which Canadian, what Canadians, who is a Canadian?

[I am Groot]

10 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Immigrants don't commit crimes, poor people do, especially poor people from countries with a lot of crime and violence and lack of rule of law due to the poverty of the country.  Doctors from the middle east aren't committing many crimes when they move here and neither are their children.  The biggest reason people are typically poor is because they're aren't well educated.

Import poor people and a disproportionate # of them will commit crimes compared to the Canadian average.

Why on earth would we want to import poor people? Especially the uneducated ones who don't speak English?

[cougar]

8 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Why on earth would we want to import poor people? Especially the uneducated ones who don't speak English?

Who is "we" ?  The Canadians ?  What Canadians, which Canadians, who is a Canadian?

It is not "we". It is the politicians who import people (like cattle) to satisfy the perceived demands of the industry.  Demands? - to increase consumption and offer cheap labor.  So cheap that those who work, can't even have a roof over their head.

Here is a question for you and WestCanMan.

At lunchtime I see three guys headed to Tim Hortons - one wearing a yellow head dress, one wearing a red head dress and the third wearing a blue one. Which one is a Canaidan?

a) the one with the yellow head dress

b) the one with the blue head dress

c) the one with the red head dress

d) all of the above

e) none of the above

f) the ones with the proper paperwork

g) the ones who speak English

h) the ones who know where they are

i)  once they have a cup of Tim Hortons double double, they are all Canadians!

 

Edited January 10 by cougar

[eyeball]

20 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Let them get ahead in their own country. Because the way it's working here is they come in and provide cheap labour to employers to stop them from having to increase wages and benefits and invest in training and technology. It's one of the big factors, along with oligopolies, helping to push down our GDP per person.

Yes but we gain a wealthier 1%. You probably need to adjust your priorities.

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I'd rather not. Man has survived where other creatures have not because of our adaptability.

Most creatures haven't survived because we're the most invasive species on the planet...we're practically weedy.

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And if our economy remains strong we can adapt to a warmer planet. But we need the money to build flood walls, or maybe irrigation systems, depending on where. We need the money to build stronger buildings and to figure out how to best adapt our agriculture to things. We need money to build nuclear plants to provide the power for more electric driven cars and buses and more power to heat and air condition buildings.

How are we supposed to pay for all this stuff when our economy, like so many others around the globe, is functioning like an old wheezy jalopy on its last miles? We'll be lucky if we even make it to the edge of the cliff.

It's a little ironic listening to all these high falutin' ideas about adapting to a warmer climate that are suddenly so popular with the denier classes. I guess you must have missed or didn't care much for any discussion about how adaptation would be infinitely more expensive than prevention. But hey, if you'd rather not hear that then continue listening to the Cornucopians who'll tell you the economy is infinite.    

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No, we're not going back into caves and lower our expectations. We're going to do research and figure out how to improve things everywhere, which is what we should've been doing for decades but don't because we leave that to other countries.

No, we left the improving of things that way to our 1% who moved offshore and took advantage of the cheap labour you were whining about when telling us how things work now in your first two sentences.  And it needs to be said that when we allowed our capitalists to take our industriousness and move it offshore decades ago the denier class cheered and blamed it on lazy and unproductive Canadians. AKA the left.

I was there, I saw it happen.

[I am Groot]

33 minutes ago, eyeball said:

How are we supposed to pay for all this stuff when our economy, like so many others around the globe, is functioning like an old wheezy jalopy on its last miles?

We get rid of the Liberals and all their ludicrous regulations hamstringing our industries. Then we drastically cut immigration and figure out how to persuade employers to increase training and technology probably through either punitive taxes or tax relief.

33 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's a little ironic listening to all these high falutin' ideas about adapting to a warmer climate that are suddenly so popular with the denier classes.

Spare me your sanctimonious "I was right you were wrong" crap. You've been wrong from the start. And the only thing most of us denied was the wisdom of putting trillions of dollars into an obviously failed idea that would accomplish nothing. Making our energy more expensive while two thirds of the world goes on a coal plant building spree was always an insane idea that was only going to drive production offshore. And has.

You don't like the way things worked out with world warming? Complain to Dehili and Beijing, not Ottawa or Edmonton.

33 minutes ago, eyeball said:

 I guess you must have missed or didn't care much for any discussion about how adaptation would be infinitely more expensive than prevention. But hey, if you'd rather not hear that then continue listening to the Cornucopians who'll tell you the economy is infinite.    

I didn't miss your fantasy fiction. I just ignored it. Adaptation is not going to be more expensive in Canada and unlike anything else we've tried has the benefit of likely working. Spending more than a trillion dollars on a scheme that failed before it started is not my idea of a workable solution.

 

[eyeball]

55 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

We get rid of the Liberals and all their ludicrous regulations hamstringing our industries.

It'll take at least two terms to unleash industry and get it to trust that Ottawa really means it this time. Poilievre will also need to unleash the cops and military because there'll be nothing but protesters and Canada's Deep-state in his face every step of the way. He'd be better off pursuing an anti-woke agenda so the base stays focused on what really matters.

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And the only thing most of us denied was the wisdom of putting trillions of dollars into an obviously failed idea that would accomplish nothing.

I don't think Poilievre believes a word of what science says about climate change anymore than you do. You can't even unleash yourselves.