CPC Policy Convention 2023

CdnFox · September 11, 2023

37 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Never said that a all.]

I said it. Pay attention.

WestCanMan · September 11, 2023

5 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

So, they chose to have gender dysphoria?

No, it's on a big wheel that parents can spin if they want to get a disease/condition for their children.

Gender Dysphoria is between syphilis and peanut butter allergy.

It's arguably better than those two, but you have to do a lot of coaching yourself to get them there.

Sadly "leftardism" covers over 40% of the spots on the wheel, and it's the only one that's worse than cancer. Fortunately you have to have an IQ below 80 to get Trudeau's disease, so if you and your spouse can both do basic math and read, there's a very good chance that your kids aren't at risk.

And just remember, you don't have to spin the wheel. It's mostly for people with Munchausen syndrome by proxy.

CdnFox · September 11, 2023

1 hour ago, Nexii said:

You'll notice that there's almost never any interviews with transgenders in the media. Every time they do the lazy thing and talk with activists, instead of talking to the people that have been through it and can comment on all the good and bad with the current system.

In that article for example, there was nothing really controversial that the parents and family could say other than things are going fine. So the author had to become the activist, lol.

So yea, save it for the media, not the group that's being spoken for

the group that's being spoken for is going to wind up wearing it if they don't speak out to the media.

blackbird · September 11, 2023

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

"the Government of Canada is connecting 98% of Canadians to high-speed Internet by 2026 and 100% of Canadians by 2030." https://ised-isde.canada.ca/site/high-speed-internet-canada/en

Give any evidence or proof you can find that show the government installs the actual line, microwave sites, hardware for high-speed internet. If you are just guessing, give it up. It's false unless you can prove it. That is not government's job and they do not install the internet anywhere. If you can prove it, then maybe you might be believable. Otherwise , no.

Edited September 11, 2023 by blackbird

CdnFox · September 11, 2023

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I agree whole heartedly with that, but you will never get that passed. Canadians have refused to pay for anything but a token military. If the CAF cannot function effectively against a major enemy, the budget is a waste of money. We could overcome that with nuclear weapons, but that goes against the Conservative Party policy.

You CAN get it passed but the challenge is thus:

First we get in the Liberals - they don't want to spend a cent on the military and cancel all our projects. They do Spend on everything else and pretty quick we're broke

So we get in the Conservatives. They like spending on military but they've got a huge financial mess to deal with and they spend the next 10 years rebuilding the country's financial situation and they just don't have money to spare. Queue the Liberals.

Until we break that cycle nothing's going to change

I am Groot · September 11, 2023

On 9/10/2023 at 4:30 PM, Queenmandy85 said:

Or a cleft palate? Why is it okay to use surgery to address a cleft palate but not matching the body to the gender of the mind?

If it's done carefully, as used to be the case, I wouldn't have an issue. It's not. Approval now is automatic. Even questioning the child to try to determine if their belief comes from some other source is considered 'transphobic'. It is indeed a rare condition, but not anymore. Now it's everywhere. Every school has a bunch of 'trans' kids. And we have grown ass adults of thirty, forty and fifty suddenly discovering they're a woman without ever having given the slightest hint of that.

I am Groot · September 11, 2023

7 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

So, they chose to have gender dysphoria?

It's very fashionable. If you're not trans or gay or at least bi, if you can't claim to be two-spirit or queer, or non-binary, well, you're just boring.

I am Groot · September 11, 2023

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

The conflict of interest you're concerned about is the root cause of widely held beliefs amongst many on the right that the cbc is not reporting everything the public needs to know to put the government in a good light. Presumably because its afraid of losing funding or its trying to secure future funding and colluding with and coddling the government. It's a ridiculous claim and based on a misperception that is all too easy to politicize and exploit.

It's not the claim most on the right make. The claim is that the CBC and other media organs don't report everything, or slant it, or choose to report things, let's call them feature stories, designed to further an ideological leftist belief in social justice and identity politics. And since these beliefs largely mirror the social values of the Liberal/NDP government, they obviously run counter to the beliefs of conservatives.

A silly little example from recent days. The Ottawa Citizen is part of that notoriously FAR FAR FAR right Postmedia organization. Ottawa had a multiple shooting incident at a local wedding. The Citizen has tied itself in knots trying desperately NOT to report that the wedding party was made up of Somalis. To this end very little news has been printed about it, and no interviews with participants. That goes for the local news channel, as well, btw. No interviews and no video of participants. And whenever anyone mentions things in comments the Citizen or local CBC deletes them.

I had such a comment deleted the other day. The police reported that with 50 shots they thought there might have been more than one shooter. I wrote a comment that if they were only guessing this a few days later this suggests the wedding participants weren't cooperating. Now I didn't mention they were Somalis but the Citizen knows they're Somalis and evidently took this as a slant against the Somali community so deleted it. The few brief stories about this incident have comments where half the comments have been similarly marked as deleted.

The Citizen is acting like a censor. For our own good. It doesn't feel like we can be trusted to know this information because it might make some of us think worse of the Somali community. Now if this wedding had been an Irish wedding and there'd been six people shot and two killed I really don't think they would have found any need to hide the participants, but Somalis are a protected group to the social justice crowd.

Just one small thing, but so many others. Lots of breathless coverage of climate change, and features about the need for more hard work to combat it. Lots of stories about happy refugees and no stories of unhappy ones, or ones committing crimes (if they can possibly avoid it). Stories on how bad the healthcare system is but rarely any comparisons to the ones in Europe that are different. Tons of sympathetic stories of natives, like the frenzy they had over the residential schools a couple of years ago (which turned out to be a big nothing). A wild enthusiasm for any story of racism or homophobia, but only if the perpetrator is white. Lots of stories about crime but never EVER any suggestion certain segments of society are responsible for a hugely disproportionate amount of it.

Edited September 11, 2023 by I am Groot

Nexii · September 11, 2023

13 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

If it's done carefully, as used to be the case, I wouldn't have an issue. It's not. Approval now is automatic. Even questioning the child to try to determine if their belief comes from some other source is considered 'transphobic'. It is indeed a rare condition, but not anymore. Now it's everywhere. Every school has a bunch of 'trans' kids. And we have grown ass adults of thirty, forty and fifty suddenly discovering they're a woman without ever having given the slightest hint of that.

Couldn't possibly be that everyone used to think about it like I still do, must be the CBC/left/educators. Lol

Though I do think those that protest it the hardest almost always end up being closeted in some way. So I do feel bad, really

blackbird · September 11, 2023

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

You claim being gay is a choice. I ask you when you chose to be straight and you say you didn’t.

Nobody needs to make a choice. Everyone is born straight. Some change probably because of social influences or some kind of influence.

Edited September 11, 2023 by blackbird

Moonlight Graham · September 11, 2023

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

Was the cbc pro Harper government when he was PM?

No it was still ideologically biased back then too.

The funny thing is if the CBC leaned conservative ideologically the vast majority of you progressives would be saying the same thing I am and most conservatives would be defending it like progressives are now. This is why most progressives in this country are pro-propaganda when it suits them, as are most conservatives I imagine. My stance wouldn't change because what is just has nothing to do with what is convenient.

Just like most progressives like our PM vehemently defend the freedom for women to choose what they do with their bodies when it comes to abortion, but conveniently deny them this same right when it comes to vaccines. Most people only care what is in their interests, not what is just. And when progressives want to help others they usually demand other people, like the rich or future indebted generations or people who don't want to be vaccinated, pay for it so they don't have to sacrifice anything themselves. Sacrificing other people's wealth and human rights to help others isn't as virtuous as they make it out to be.

ExFlyer · September 11, 2023

46 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Give any evidence or proof you can find that show the government installs the actual line, microwave sites, hardware for high-speed internet. If you are just guessing, give it up. It's false unless you can prove it. That is not government's job and they do not install the internet anywhere. If you can prove it, then maybe you might be believable. Otherwise , no.

Listen, how stupid are you?? I already provided the government site. I know it is not in your bible but it is a fact. Here it is again and the quote from the page ""the Government of Canada is connecting 98% of Canadians to high-speed Internet by 2026 and 100% of Canadians by 2030." https://ised-isde.canada.ca/site/high-speed-internet-canada/en

Do you actually think that Bell, Rogers or Telus is going to install satellite dishes and link ups and all wires to the homes and the infrastructure to the homes??? If so, you need to get your head out of the black book and get the real information

https://ised-isde.canada.ca/site/high-speed-internet-canada/en/progress-toward-universal-access-high-speed-internet

I am believable but the bible thumper you are is the one that is unbelievable.

Edited September 11, 2023 by ExFlyer

ExFlyer · September 11, 2023

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I am glad these areas have access to their government-provided news and their single-website internet connections.

Single website internet connections? Where did you get that information.

I have relatives that live way up there and they have the same internet as you.

blackbird · September 11, 2023

17 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Listen, how stupid are you?? I already provided the government site. I know it is not in your bible but it is a fact. Here it is again and the quote from the page ""the Government of Canada is connecting 98% of Canadians to high-speed Internet by 2026 and 100% of Canadians by 2030." https://ised-isde.canada.ca/site/high-speed-internet-canada/en

Do you actually think that Bell, Rogers or Telus is going to install satellite dishes and link ups and all wires to the homes and the infrastructure to the homes??? If so, you need to get your head out of the black book and get the real information

https://ised-isde.canada.ca/site/high-speed-internet-canada/en/progress-toward-universal-access-high-speed-internet

I am believable but the bible thumper you are is the one that is unbelievable.

You completely missed my point. I said government governs; they do not themselves provide the hardware, software, transmissions lines, etc. You still insist government provides it all. Government can contract or hire private telecom companies to provide high speed internet service to wherever, but government does not install it themselves. I looked at your website and nowhere does it say that government has the technical equipment, hardware etc. and installs it themselves. All they can do is hire private companies to install it. So instead of calling people stupid for telling you how it actually works, find out the facts.

When government says they are connecting 98% of Canadians to high speed internet by 2026, they don't mean the government is physically doing it themselves. They are just taking credit for arranging for private telecom companies to do the actual work and provide the equipment. Why is that so hard to understand?

Edited September 11, 2023 by blackbird

TreeBeard · September 11, 2023

18 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

No it was still ideologically biased back then too.

CBC is simply a reflection of the population of Canada. The conspiracies are rather silly. Partisan Conservatives just aren’t like most Canadians, so they hate the CBC because they don’t see themselves reflected in it.

19 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The funny thing is if the CBC leaned conservative ideologically the vast majority of you progressives would be saying the same thing I am and most conservatives would be defending it like progressives are now. This is why most progressives in this country are pro-propaganda when it suits them, as are most conservatives I imagine. My stance wouldn't change because what is just has nothing to do with what is convenient.

So only you can be unbiased?

22 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Just like most progressives like our PM vehemently defend the freedom for women to choose what they do with their bodies when it comes to abortion, but conveniently deny them this same right when it comes to vaccines

Abortion and refusing vaccines are not the same thing, nor even the same principle. You once again ignore that no one forced anyone to get a jab.

ExFlyer · September 11, 2023

9 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You completely missed my point. I said government governs; they do not themselves provide the hardware, software, transmissions lines, etc. You still insist government provides it all. Government can contract or hire private telecom companies to provide high speed internet service to wherever, but government does not install it themselves. I looked at your website and nowhere does it say that government has the technical equipment, hardware etc. and installs it themselves. All they can do is hire private companies to install it. So instead of calling people stupid for telling you how it actually works, find out the facts.

When government says they are connecting 98% of Canadians to high speed internet by 2026, they don't mean the government is physically doing it themselves. They are just taking credit for arranging for private telecom companies to do the actual work and provide the equipment. Why is that so hard to understand?

You have no point..... as usual

I have proven to you that the government is building the infrastructure. Yes, the government is providing and paying for it all. Who does the physical work is absolutely immaterial.

It is like you saying you are renovating your house...and you are but because you are not doing the physical work does that mean it is not being done by you??

Please stop because with every post you are verifying your stupidity.

Queenmandy85 · September 11, 2023

The CBC resolution was voted down so the CBC is safe for now. Would Mr. Poilievere actually go against the wishes of the Party? I know he said the resolutions are not binding but is this one going to be that important to him? Of course the issues he will face when he assumes office will be very different.

Edited September 11, 2023 by Queenmandy85

Michael Hardner · September 11, 2023

3 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The CBC resolution was voted down so the CBC is safe for now.

Wait what ? Why didn't that get more coverage ? That's a big deal...

Of course that was also a major idea of his so it leaves the question of what is he offering other than "not Trudeau"...

I am Groot · September 11, 2023

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

CBC is simply a reflection of the population of Canada.

Not even close.

Nexii · September 12, 2023

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The CBC resolution was voted down so the CBC is safe for now. Would Mr. Poilievere actually go against the wishes of the Party? I know he said the resolutions are not binding but is this one going to be that important to him? Of course the issues he will face when he assumes office will be very different.

I think he will go against the party on some things. He's got a stronger mandate than Scheer and O'Toole ever had.

I mean the CPC could decide to lose a third time in a row on social issues. That's not outside the realm of possibilities

CdnFox · September 12, 2023

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The CBC resolution was voted down so the CBC is safe for now. Would Mr. Poilievere actually go against the wishes of the Party?

Yeah - sure. It also depends on why it was voted down. But he ran on it as a leader, he received a mandate to pursue it, and frankly it does have broad support. I wouldn't call the cbc 'safe' unless you prefer disappointment in your life

CdnFox · September 12, 2023

6 minutes ago, Nexii said:

I think he will go against the party on some things. He's got a stronger mandate than Scheer and O'Toole ever had.

I mean the CPC could decide to lose a third time in a row on social issues. That's not outside the realm of possibilities

People can't afford to eat. They can't get housing. They've had all they can take of liberal fake social issue bullcrap.

But i would guess that when he does get in, there'll be a little 'correction' along those lines. Too much has been forced down people's throats and he'll have to keep the base a little happy. After 7 years of being told they're terrible horrible nazi's if they dare suggest parents have rights or that they should be allowed to choose a vaccine or not, there's going to have to be a little meat on the bone for him.

If he was smart he'd take that new omnibus law justin passed and use it to make a craptonne of changes reversing a bunch of bad laws and addressing some social issues in one fell massive swoop early on. Then spend the next 4 years solving the nations problems and getting people places to rent and such. And then revoke teh ilberal omnibus law

Aristides · September 12, 2023

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

Give any evidence or proof you can find that show the government installs the actual line, microwave sites, hardware for high-speed internet. If you are just guessing, give it up. It's false unless you can prove it. That is not government's job and they do not install the internet anywhere. If you can prove it, then maybe you might be believable. Otherwise , no.

https://ised-isde.canada.ca/site/connect-to-innovate/en/connect-innovate-program-project-status-updates

Of course government doesn't physically install it any more than they do any other government infrastructure projects.

blackbird · September 12, 2023

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Listen, how stupid are you?? I already provided the government site. I know it is not in your bible but it is a fact. Here it is again and the quote from the page ""the Government of Canada is connecting 98% of Canadians to high-speed Internet by 2026 and 100% of Canadians by 2030." https://ised-isde.canada.ca/site/high-speed-internet-canada/en

Do you actually think that Bell, Rogers or Telus is going to install satellite dishes and link ups and all wires to the homes and the infrastructure to the homes??? If so, you need to get your head out of the black book and get the real information

https://ised-isde.canada.ca/site/high-speed-internet-canada/en/progress-toward-universal-access-high-speed-internet

I am believable but the bible thumper you are is the one that is unbelievable.

48 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Of course government doesn't physically install it any more than they do any other government infrastructure projects.

As you can see in my "discussion" with ExFlyer, he was adamant that telecommunications companies were not installing it. He insultingly claimed that the government was connecting people to the internet. So I simply pointed out government does not do that kind of work but it is done by companies. In the end he insults me some more, calls me names, and says it is immaterial who does the physical work. All through this useless discussion, I was simply pointing out that the companies do the work. He changed his tune (with more name calling) and finally admits government does not install anything. But the whole thing is he only uses these forums as an opportunity to insult and call people names. A total waste of time.

Edited September 12, 2023 by blackbird

I am Groot · September 12, 2023

58 minutes ago, Nexii said:

I think he will go against the party on some things. He's got a stronger mandate than Scheer and O'Toole ever had.

I mean the CPC could decide to lose a third time in a row on social issues. That's not outside the realm of possibilities

The CPC never brought up social issues in any of the previous elections. The Liberals brought them up and the media ran with them. I suspect they'll try to do the same this election.