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3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That isn't actually a particularly useful metric for several reasons.

There's actually been a number of pretty detailed studies done. And it's not radically conclusive either way. THe us probably has a better system for those who access it - but they also spend more money on it. If we spent what they do per capita ours would probably be better - but right now its arguably worse.  Deaths per 100 k is a useless measure.

Of course deaths per 100K is a useless measure… it contradicts your pre-drawn conclusion! 

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11 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Of course deaths per 100K is a useless measure… it contradicts your pre-drawn conclusion! 

I have not expressed a 'pre-drawn' conclusion. If anything what i said was it's fairly difficult to come to a conclusion. And i noted some facts about that.

Do you need me to explain this further to you?  Do i need to go find some crayons? Or are you just angry someone who knows something showed up and it offends your tribal sensibilities?

 

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17 minutes ago, Rebound said:

I cannot understand you. 
Canada has a better public health system than the US. The US reported 3,472 deaths per million, while Canada reported 1,361 deaths per million. Trump’s death rate was 250% of Canada’s. 
 

Sounds like Trudeauism worked a lot better than Trumpism. 

The population of Alberta, 4.3M - our 4th most populous province, rides the subway every day in NYC, then those people work, go to school, etc, in close contact with the other 11M people in that city on a daily basis (8.8M permanent residents).

11M people is the population of BC, Alberta and Sask combined. 

2.3M sq km vs 800 sq km.

It's an area 3,000 times larger. It takes that much longer to spread covid among all those people. 

Comparing the spread of covid in the US to Canada is stupid. 

I'm comparing covid in Canada in 2022 to 2020. Apples to apples.

 

15K deaths was  insane. Way too many. The news couldn't drop the topic. Media: "WE NEED A VAX! Q796QSn.gif"

There were 24% more deaths last year, and infections were up by more than that. That means at least 24% more hospital visits, at least 24% more ICU visits, etc. Now the media says "Thank God for the vax! ? Force everyone to take it! ? "

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1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

I have not expressed a 'pre-drawn' conclusion. If anything what i said was it's fairly difficult to come to a conclusion. And i noted some facts about that.

Do you need me to explain this further to you?  Do i need to go find some crayons? Or are you just angry someone who knows something showed up and it offends your tribal sensibilities?

 

I don’t need you to explain anything. I’ve already read the reports from the actual public health experts, not armchair internet boneheads. 
 

There was a global pandemic. 
It killed millions. 
Vaccines were introduced and they dramatically reduced probability of death. 

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7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Yeah - that one is a complete nothing-burger. THat would be cnn basically behaving like they claim fox news does.

Every commercial tv entity out there cares about what it's fans think.  He didn't say the network would lie, he didn't say that they would fake news or the like.  He just said they would be more cautious and slow about calling another state. There's NOTHING wrong with that.

 

 

10 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Typically, anchors are not involved in discussions related to making election calls. That process is left up to a network’s decision desk. And normally, decision desks base their calls off of data and voting statistics, without taking into consideration politics or potentially alienating a channel’s audience.

 

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22 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

 

 

Around the country, decision desks race to be 1. accurate and 2. fast. Imagine calling oneself a journalist while simultaneously chastising your decision desk for achieving both of those goals. Imagine calling yourself a news channel while trying to avoid reporting the biggest news of the day. -- "I don't care if the call is correct. If the truth will upset our audience let's be the last to report it." 

Bret Baier's reputation didn't just take a hit. It's basically dead. I don't think he'd get an anchor job anywhere outside of FOX, where this kind of behavior is celebrated.

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4 hours ago, Rebound said:

Vaccines were introduced and they dramatically reduced probability of death. 

No they did not. 

15,000 out of 38M Canadians died of covid in 2020. 19,000 out of 38M Canadians died of covid in 2022. 24% increase. Covid was a novel virus in 2020, remember? No one really knew how to prevent it or fight it right away and there was no adaptive immunity. Still, thousands less people died in the first year.

14,000 out of 38M Canadians died of covid in 2021. 19,000 out of 38M Canadians died of covid in 2022. For the first half of  2021 almost no one was vaccinated. But 30% more people died in 2022, after we had achieved 85% 'vaxed'. 

There were no covid restrictions in any of the three summers, and only 2022 had a high death count in summer, and almost 90% of those deaths were among the vaxed. To this day, almost everyone who died of covid in summer was either 3x or 4x vaxed, and there were only 4xers for one summer. 

Saying "Covid spread way faster after the introduction of the vaccine, so more people died" isn't a glowing review of the vaccine. Saying that "Over ten % of covid deaths were among the unvaccinated" isn't a glowing review of the vaccine. 

Seeing as you "read the reports from the actual public health experts", just exactly how many more infections were there in order to make "only 30% more deaths" look like a resounding success? 

There were 30% more deaths, so were there 60% more infections? 

How many more infections were there? You seem to wanna say that you have the definitive answers but you've never provided any stats at all. You just read from the script, and the script has been bogus right from day 1. At no point in this whole covid saga has the script matched with common sense, facts or stats. 

The Faucian Scriptures:

"Hear ye hear ye! The disease spreadeth not among men, so fear ye not thine covid-zone brethren upon entry to our fair lands! He who hath infection, spreadeth not. Huggeth thine unknown neighbour when thou canst!" 

"Here ye Hear ye! Thou shalt not suffer the treasonous "BSL4" blasphemy! Whatever viper hisses it shall be banned from polite company and forever shamed. Reapeteth after me, brothers, "the virus cameth from the unholy association of bat a pangolin, and only in their foul presence may thou becometh afflicted!""

"Hear ye hear ye! Thou shalt not mask, for the disease spreadeth not by breath o' man. We shall dispossess ourselves of such useless items, and bestoweth them upon the fair folks of China, to safely tread the wetmarkets."

 "Hear ye hear ye! Thou shalt now mask, for the disease now spreadeth by breath o' man. We shall use common cloth to repel its miserable self, as our glorious leader wisely shed our masks in our time of need! Alas, the fair folks of China for us have naught. Who saweth that coming, heyeth? N95 ainteth shiznit anyways: to the virions it's Fruchs'  fromage!"

"Hear ye hear ye! Avoid the common plague that is HCQ! It shall lay low any who gazeth upon it! So sayeth science herself!"

"Hear ye hear ye! Avoid the common plague that is ivermectin! It shall lay low any who gazeth upon it, so sayeth science herself!"

"Hear ye hear ye! Rejoice as God's own vax cometh, thou shall not want! It preventeth infection and's safer than teat!"

"Hear ye hear ye! Ignoreth the boringeth Israeli stats and the droppething dead of the vax-vexed children! They risketh more from covid (again, ignoreth the tiresome stats). Science herself proclaimeth the vax an unblemished beaut!"

"Hear ye hear ye! Ignoreth the rising death count of thine countrymen, for the Faucian bargain is cast. Thou and thine shalt eternally bear the fruit of it's blessing, unless thou canst postponeth thine self procto-spelunkething!"

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2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Typically, anchors are not involved in discussions related to making election calls. That process is left up to a network’s decision desk. And normally, decision desks base their calls off of data and voting statistics, without taking into consideration politics or potentially alienating a channel’s audience.

 

You're basing that on your years of covering elections for major news networks? :)

Usually they don't make a mistake and call a state too early either.  So this time they did, and they took extra caution to make sure they didn't again.

That's absolutely fine and there's nothing remotely shady about that.

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1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Around the country, decision desks race to be 1. accurate and 2. fast. Imagine calling oneself a journalist while simultaneously chastising your decision desk for achieving both of those goals.

They called it a little early.  The fact that they got it right doesn't mean it couldn't have gone another way. There's nothing wrong with saying "people are pissed we called it early - don't make that mistake again".

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

 

Imagine calling yourself a news channel while trying to avoid reporting the biggest news of the day. -- "I don't care if the call is correct. If the truth will upset our audience let's be the last to report it." 

 

Imagine lying that they did on the internet :)

We're talking about a projection. A guess. Not a final result. So they decided to be sure of their guess and not guess early. That is NOT the same as "not reporting".  They still called it before the results were in to prove the prediction.

1 hour ago, Hodad said:


Bret Baier's reputation didn't just take a hit. It's basically dead.

It isn't even scuffed. nobody anywhere cares about this except people who hate him already. It's a complete and utter nothing burger.

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37 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

No they did not. 

15,000 out of 38M Canadians died of covid in 2020. 19,000 out of 38M Canadians died of covid in 2022. 24% increase. Covid was a novel virus in 2020, remember? No one really knew how to prevent it or fight it right away and there was no adaptive immunity. Still, thousands less people died in the first year.

14,000 out of 38M Canadians died of covid in 2021. 19,000 out of 38M Canadians died of covid in 2022. For the first half of  2021 almost no one was vaccinated. But 30% more people died in 2022, after we had achieved 85% 'vaxed'. 

There were no covid restrictions in any of the three summers, and only 2022 had a high death count in summer, and almost 90% of those deaths were among the vaxed. To this day, almost everyone who died of covid in summer was either 3x or 4x vaxed, and there were only 4xers for one summer. 

Saying "Covid spread way faster after the introduction of the vaccine, so more people died" isn't a glowing review of the vaccine. Saying that "Over ten % of covid deaths were among the unvaccinated" isn't a glowing review of the vaccine. 

Seeing as you "read the reports from the actual public health experts", just exactly how many more infections were there in order to make "only 30% more deaths" look like a resounding success? 

There were 30% more deaths, so were there 60% more infections? 

How many more infections were there? You seem to wanna say that you have the definitive answers but you've never provided any stats at all. You just read from the script, and the script has been bogus right from day 1. At no point in this whole covid saga has the script matched with common sense, facts or stats. 

The Faucian Scriptures:

"Hear ye hear ye! The disease spreadeth not among men, so fear ye not thine covid-zone brethren upon entry to our fair lands! He who hath infection, spreadeth not. Huggeth thine unknown neighbour when thou canst!" 

"Here ye Hear ye! Thou shalt not suffer the treasonous "BSL4" blasphemy! Whatever viper hisses it shall be banned from polite company and forever shamed. Reapeteth after me, brothers, "the virus cameth from the unholy association of bat a pangolin, and only in their foul presence may thou becometh afflicted!""

"Hear ye hear ye! Thou shalt not mask, for the disease spreadeth not by breath o' man. We shall dispossess ourselves of such useless items, and bestoweth them upon the fair folks of China, to safely tread the wetmarkets."

 "Hear ye hear ye! Thou shalt now mask, for the disease now spreadeth by breath o' man. We shall use common cloth to repel its miserable self, as our glorious leader wisely shed our masks in our time of need! Alas, the fair folks of China for us have naught. Who saweth that coming, heyeth? N95 ainteth shiznit anyways: to the virions it's Fruchs'  fromage!"

"Hear ye hear ye! Avoid the common plague that is HCQ! It shall lay low any who gazeth upon it! So sayeth science herself!"

"Hear ye hear ye! Avoid the common plague that is ivermectin! It shall lay low any who gazeth upon it, so sayeth science herself!"

"Hear ye hear ye! Rejoice as God's own vax cometh, thou shall not want! It preventeth infection and's safer than teat!"

"Hear ye hear ye! Ignoreth the boringeth Israeli stats and the droppething dead of the vax-vexed children! They risketh more from covid (again, ignoreth the tiresome stats). Science herself proclaimeth the vax an unblemished beaut!"

"Hear ye hear ye! Ignoreth the rising death count of thine countrymen, for the Faucian bargain is cast. Thou and thine shalt eternally bear the fruit of it's blessing, unless thou canst postponeth thine self procto-spelunkething!"

Does Canadian healthcare include psychiatric treatment? Asking for a Canadian I know.  

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7 hours ago, robosmith said:

Excess deaths IS looking at "the overall death numbers." Duh

And in the US, deaths were 1.3 MILLION HIGHER during the pandemic.

So show it. You saw the graphs and numbers. Go ahead and show it.

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54 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

So show it. You saw the graphs and numbers. Go ahead and show it.

He doesn't have to show any data. Science said it. Now you're supposed to nod your head like the good little leftard boys, girls and others. 

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2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

They called it a little early.  The fact that they got it right doesn't mean it couldn't have gone another way. There's nothing wrong with saying "people are pissed we called it early - don't make that mistake again".

Imagine lying that they did on the internet :)

We're talking about a projection. A guess. Not a final result. So they decided to be sure of their guess and not guess early. That is NOT the same as "not reporting".  They still called it before the results were in to prove the prediction.

It isn't even scuffed. nobody anywhere cares about this except people who hate him already. It's a complete and utter nothing burger.

FOX viewers were not "pissed" because they questioned the decision desk's statistical methodology. Neither were you or Baier. In all of those cases it was for purely political--and commercial--reasons.  Once again, you're just dishonest. That's why you pat Baier on the back for the same reasons others find him repugnant. 

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2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

No they did not. 

15,000 out of 38M Canadians died of covid in 2020. 19,000 out of 38M Canadians died of covid in 2022. 24% increase. Covid was a novel virus in 2020, remember? No one really knew how to prevent it or fight it right away and there was no adaptive immunity. Still, thousands less people died in the first year.

14,000 out of 38M Canadians died of covid in 2021. 19,000 out of 38M Canadians died of covid in 2022. For the first half of  2021 almost no one was vaccinated. But 30% more people died in 2022, after we had achieved 85% 'vaxed'. 

There were no covid restrictions in any of the three summers, and only 2022 had a high death count in summer, and almost 90% of those deaths were among the vaxed. To this day, almost everyone who died of covid in summer was either 3x or 4x vaxed, and there were only 4xers for one summer. 

Saying "Covid spread way faster after the introduction of the vaccine, so more people died" isn't a glowing review of the vaccine. Saying that "Over ten % of covid deaths were among the unvaccinated" isn't a glowing review of the vaccine. 

Seeing as you "read the reports from the actual public health experts", just exactly how many more infections were there in order to make "only 30% more deaths" look like a resounding success? 

There were 30% more deaths, so were there 60% more infections? 

How many more infections were there? You seem to wanna say that you have the definitive answers but you've never provided any stats at all. You just read from the script, and the script has been bogus right from day 1. At no point in this whole covid saga has the script matched with common sense, facts or stats. 

The Faucian Scriptures:

"Hear ye hear ye! The disease spreadeth not among men, so fear ye not thine covid-zone brethren upon entry to our fair lands! He who hath infection, spreadeth not. Huggeth thine unknown neighbour when thou canst!" 

"Here ye Hear ye! Thou shalt not suffer the treasonous "BSL4" blasphemy! Whatever viper hisses it shall be banned from polite company and forever shamed. Reapeteth after me, brothers, "the virus cameth from the unholy association of bat a pangolin, and only in their foul presence may thou becometh afflicted!""

"Hear ye hear ye! Thou shalt not mask, for the disease spreadeth not by breath o' man. We shall dispossess ourselves of such useless items, and bestoweth them upon the fair folks of China, to safely tread the wetmarkets."

 "Hear ye hear ye! Thou shalt now mask, for the disease now spreadeth by breath o' man. We shall use common cloth to repel its miserable self, as our glorious leader wisely shed our masks in our time of need! Alas, the fair folks of China for us have naught. Who saweth that coming, heyeth? N95 ainteth shiznit anyways: to the virions it's Fruchs'  fromage!"

"Hear ye hear ye! Avoid the common plague that is HCQ! It shall lay low any who gazeth upon it! So sayeth science herself!"

"Hear ye hear ye! Avoid the common plague that is ivermectin! It shall lay low any who gazeth upon it, so sayeth science herself!"

"Hear ye hear ye! Rejoice as God's own vax cometh, thou shall not want! It preventeth infection and's safer than teat!"

"Hear ye hear ye! Ignoreth the boringeth Israeli stats and the droppething dead of the vax-vexed children! They risketh more from covid (again, ignoreth the tiresome stats). Science herself proclaimeth the vax an unblemished beaut!"

"Hear ye hear ye! Ignoreth the rising death count of thine countrymen, for the Faucian bargain is cast. Thou and thine shalt eternally bear the fruit of it's blessing, unless thou canst postponeth thine self procto-spelunkething!"

Hey, lunatic. The case remains that the vaccines dramatically reduced hospitalizations and deaths among the infected. The lengths you go to to talk about anything but efficacy are extraordinary--and ludicrous. You know politic have made you stupid when you pass on something that makes you 5x less likely to die if you get infected. Wear your seatbelt. Take your vaccine. 

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5 hours ago, Hodad said:

Hey, lunatic. The case remains that the vaccines dramatically reduced hospitalizations and deaths among the infected.

Hey, stupid, you know that's 100% incorrect. 

More vaxed people died in 2022 than the total number of vaxed and unvaxed in either year before. 

More triple- and quadruple-vaxed people died in summer 2022 than the combined total of unvaxed for both of the previous years.

If their case fatality rate was so much lower then they obviously get covid way more often because they died at a crazy pace in summer 2022.

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The lengths you go to to talk about anything but efficacy are extraordinary--and ludicrous.

The lengths that you go to to pretend that deaths aren't a big indicator of vax success are just outrageous. You slither like your life depends on it. 

You're saying "Sure, deaths are up by 24-30%, but WAY more people are getting infected, so it's actually working." I think it's probably not good if there are so many more infections. 

Where the rubber meets the road, there is no vax: deaths are way up (and infections are up by way more, according to YOUR stats). FYI that's not a win. 

"Your hockey team is losing by 3 goals a game now instead of 2."

"Yeah but they're giving up twice as many shots to lose by one extra goal, so in some ways they're doing much better." 

"OK coach Hodad. Uhhh... thanks?"

You're saying "Sure, more people die, but WAY more people are getting infected, so it's actually working."

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You know politic have made you stupid when you pass on something that makes you 5x less likely to die if you get infected.

Deaths are up by 24%... if it takes 5x as many infection to get the same number of deaths, that means there are 6.25x as many people getting infected. Is that really what you're saying? There's a 525% increase in infections? Is that a good thing or a bad thing, Hodad? 

Why did so many people get infected in summer 2022? The restrictions were the same in summer 2021 and 2022, but 2022 was brutal. 

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1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

Hey, stupid, you know that's 100% incorrect. 

More vaxed people died in 2022 than the total number of vaxed and unvaxed in either year before. 

More triple- and quadruple-vaxed people died in summer 2022 than the combined total of unvaxed for both of the previous years.

If their case fatality rate was so much lower then they obviously get covid way more often because they died at a crazy pace in summer 2022.

The lengths that you go to to pretend that deaths aren't a big indicator of vax success are just outrageous. You slither like your life depends on it. 

You're saying "Sure, deaths are up by 24-30%, but WAY more people are getting infected, so it's actually working." I think it's probably not good if there are so many more infections. 

Where the rubber meets the road, there is no vax: deaths are way up (and infections are up by way more, according to YOUR stats). FYI that's not a win. 

"Your hockey team is losing by 3 goals a game now instead of 2."

"Yeah but they're giving up twice as many shots to lose by one extra goal, so in some ways they're doing much better." 

"OK coach Hodad. Uhhh... thanks?"

You're saying "Sure, more people die, but WAY more people are getting infected, so it's actually working."

Deaths are up by 24%... if it takes 5x as many infection to get the same number of deaths, that means there are 6.25x as many people getting infected. Is that really what you're saying? There's a 525% increase in infections? Is that a good thing or a bad thing, Hodad? 

Why did so many people get infected in summer 2022? The restrictions were the same in summer 2021 and 2022, but 2022 was brutal. 

Hey look, the liar also lied about his "ignore" list. Apparently a coward too. 

Stop your insane, innumerate ranting and just deal with the fact that, apples to apples, people with the vaccine fare*dramatically* better than those without. Your dumb crusade doesn't change that well documented fact.

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