TUCKER CARLSON OUT AT FOX NEWS

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Why are infections up so much with 85% of the pop "vaxed"?

Because the term vaccine is meaningless now that the covid jab is apparently included. 

Duh.

Q: If hospitals were overwhelmed when approximately 15,000 Canadians died in 2020, were they even more overwhelmed in 2022 when 19,000 people died? That's 25% more people. More people on ventilators, in ICU, etc. Hmmmm.

Vaccines NEVER prevent infection. ALL THEY DO is give the immune system a head start in FIGHTING IT.

SOME work so well, you never notice the infection. HOWEVER, VIRAL vaccines have a more difficult task because viruses MUTATE so easily.

And AFTER TWO YEARS of exponential SPREAD, the population of the contagious is MUCH HIGHER than it was in the first years.

And I'm sure that the right wing deniers played a role in creating super-spreader events, LIKE TRUMP'S RALLIES.

People like yourself who were SO CARELESS played a HUGE role.  

[robosmith]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

I'm laughing to robo-bot...right at you.

^That's what ignorant simpletons do. LMAO. 

I'll bet if YOU THOUGHT about it, you might eventually understand the meaning of excess deaths.

But you're so deep in DENIAL, you won't even try. 

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

^That's what ignorant simpletons do. LMAO. 

I'll bet if YOU THOUGHT about it, you might eventually understand the meaning of excess deaths.

But you're so deep in DENIAL, you won't even try. 

Hey robo-bot...take your silly excess deaths and go bug someone else. I have told you several times now...I don't believe a word you say and find you...objectionable to say the least.

[robosmith]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

Hey robo-bot...take your silly excess deaths and go bug someone else. I have told you several times now...I don't believe a word you say and find you...objectionable to say the least.

Yes, I know, your cognitive dissonance is so hard into overdrive, you don't even believe the CDC data which contradicts YOUR *CLAIMS*.

You and WCM both believe FOS LIES over actual scientists. LMAO

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Why are infections up so much with 85% of the pop "vaxed"?

Because the term vaccine is meaningless now that the covid jab is apparently included. 

Duh.

Q: If hospitals were overwhelmed when approximately 15,000 Canadians died in 2020, were they even more overwhelmed in 2022 when 19,000 people died? That's 25% more people. More people on ventilators, in ICU, etc. Hmmmm.

Maybe because infections were vastly higher in 2022, so there were a lot of patients who didn't die? I mean... hospitals don't treat only people who die, right?

[Rebound]

7 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Hey robo-bot...take your silly excess deaths and go bug someone else. I have told you several times now...I don't believe a word you say and find you...objectionable to say the least.

You quoted the worldometers website, and that website says that the USA had 1.16 million Covid deaths. So do you accept the data from the source you're using?

[Rebound]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Its only complicated because you need to complicate this to excuse the horseshit. What was going on, was a lie. They recorded every death of a person who had had a positive Rona test within about a month, plus those who died and had The Rona at the time of death, published those numbers and the media went wild with it. Those numbers were skewed as hell. Meaningless.

Ya know what numbers tell the story? The overall death rate, which hardly blinked.

You've been lied to so much now that you will make excuses for your old lies..."Oh its complicated"...Man it's as if you know and feel you must defend the indefensible, yet figure you're in a position to lecture anyone on the politicization of the whole rotten mess. Bully for you.

While I can admit that there are/were mitigating circumstances that did somewhat complicate counting accurately...being able to identify death by Rona is and was NOT any of them. I would venture to guess that the actual Rona death toll would be much lower than is being admitted and that almost all of them would have been the elderly.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1228632/number-covid-deaths-canada-by-age/

See? And check this out.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1310070901

Old folks had problems with The Rona and a lot of them did pass on. But kids or anyone under the age of 55, had no problems. The death rates hardly even noticed. But the CBC and all the Liberal media did. Man, they howled like insane people...for a vaccine...imposed on every person young and old...brought to them by the one person they all hate with a passion...

Donald J Trump.

Comical yet...tragic as hell.

 

I'm not excusing anything. 

Since you're so F-ing smart, tell us what should be the nationwide standard for determining whether a death was caused by Covid. Cause you're so brilliant, you tell us how, nationwide, there's one clear method for writing down decisely whether someone's death would not have happened if they were not infected with Coronavirus. I await your answer. 

What I think is that you have a conclusion and you will reject everything that doesn't match your conclusion. Which is very small-minded thinking. You'll pore over 1,000 figures in a spreadsheet, pick out the two that help you reach your conclusion, and reject the other 998. 

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

^That's what ignorant simpletons do. LMAO. 

I'll bet if YOU THOUGHT about it, you might eventually understand the meaning of excess deaths.

But you're so deep in DENIAL, you won't even try. 

I bet if you thought about it...it would hurt.

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, Rebound said:

You quoted the worldometers website, and that website says that the USA had 1.16 million Covid deaths. So do you accept the data from the source you're using?

Don't bother trying to twist this. The overall death rate shows the truth quite clearly.

[Nationalist]

5 hours ago, Rebound said:

I'm not excusing anything. 

Since you're so F-ing smart, tell us what should be the nationwide standard for determining whether a death was caused by Covid. Cause you're so brilliant, you tell us how, nationwide, there's one clear method for writing down decisely whether someone's death would not have happened if they were not infected with Coronavirus. I await your answer. 

What I think is that you have a conclusion and you will reject everything that doesn't match your conclusion. Which is very small-minded thinking. You'll pore over 1,000 figures in a spreadsheet, pick out the two that help you reach your conclusion, and reject the other 998. 

Nonsense. The links I provided took a 2 minute search. 

The scientific community knew what was on the loose because they created it. Identifying The Rona was easy. It was everywhere. Even in the sewage. Chances are, each and every one of us had it. Some got it bad. I know a guy who says he had it bad. Going golfing with him Sunday.

Not many really healthy people died of The Rona. I remember an Alberta politician divulged that at that time, only 5 healthy children had passed away from The Rona.

The leaders of people and of science, plus our media, way over reacted. Many of us tried to calm you down but...

"AHHH!!! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!!!"

At the end of June, that twit head of the CDC steps down. Fauci is already gone. Our medical talking head should go gardening too.

What happened may well have been an accident. Stupid humans for playing with such dangerous crap. Fauci in particular belongs in jail as far as I'm concerned. 

As more time goes by, what so many tried so hard to warn you of, has been verified.

The real results? Well...we were scared into agreeing to trash our own lives...and our economies.

But, "OH but they say lots of people died!"

Yes, Oh Thou of Group Think, people die. It's a design flaw. So when you release a designer bug, it's bound to push a lot of weaker stock over the edge...like the elderly. But overall...the death rate hardly moved.

Just wait a few years. Because of the inverted age demographic we have now, the elderly death rate is going to continue to spike and rise for a while.

Edited May 9, 2023 by Nationalist

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I bet if you thought about it...it would hurt.

You're LOSING that bet badly. Clearly it doesn't hurt me AT ALL. But ^this does make you look intellectually BANKRUPT.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Nonsense. The links I provided took a 2 minute search. 

The scientific community knew what was on the loose because they created it. Identifying The Rona was easy. It was everywhere. Even in the sewage. Chances are, each and every one of us had it. Some got it bad. I know a guy who says he had it bad. Going golfing with him Sunday.

Not many really healthy people died of The Rona. I remember an Alberta politician divulged that at that time, only 5 healthy children had passed away from The Rona.

The leaders of people and of science, plus our media, way over reacted. Many of us tried to calm you down but...

"AHHH!!! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!!!"

At the end of June, that twit head of the CDC steps down. Fauci is already gone. Our medical talking head should go gardening too.

What happened may well have been an accident. Stupid humans for playing with such dangerous crap. Fauci in particular belongs in jail as far as I'm concerned. 

As more time goes by, what so many tried so hard to warn you of, has been verified.

The real results? Well...we were scared into agreeing to trash our own lives...and our economies.

But, "OH but they say lots of people died!"

Yes, Oh Thou of Group Think, people die. It's a design flaw. So when you release a designer bug, it's bound to push a lot of weaker stock over the edge...like the elderly. But overall...the death rate hardly moved.

Just wait a few years. Because of the inverted age demographic we have now, the elderly death rate is going to continue to spike and rise for a while.

Do you even understand that average number of deaths is TRACKED EVERY YEAR and WAS QUITE STABLE before the PANDEMIC?

Since 2020, it has been much higher in the US.

Don't know about Canada, since your public health generally does a better job of managing a contagious pandemic.

[WestCanMan]

8 hours ago, Rebound said:

Maybe because infections were vastly higher in 2022, so there were a lot of patients who didn't die? I mean... hospitals don't treat only people who die, right?

Sorry, that was over your head. What was I thinking, right?

In case you forgot, part of the reason for shutting down the economy and all the masking and social distancing regulations was to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed, which is what we constantly heard. 

So, not only were deaths higher, by a lot, infections were up too, by waaaaaay more (according to you), so the hospitals must have been super-super-duper overwhelmed, right?

Naaaah. Because of the vaccines, hospitals weren't overwhelmed even though there were way more deaths and way more infections.

Crazy, right?  

[robosmith]

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Sorry, that was over your head. What was I thinking, right?

In case you forgot, part of the reason for shutting down the economy and all the masking and social distancing regulations was to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed, which is what we constantly heard. 

So, not only were deaths higher, by a lot, infections were up too, by waaaaaay more (according to you), so the hospitals must have been super-super-duper overwhelmed, right?

Naaaah. Because of the vaccines, hospitals weren't overwhelmed even though there were way more deaths and way more infections.

Crazy, right?  

The number of deaths in Canada was NOT "way more" in 2022. According to YOUR figures they were in the same ballpark as previous years, within 20%, right?

[Nationalist]

7 hours ago, robosmith said:

You're LOSING that bet badly. Clearly it doesn't hurt me AT ALL. But ^this does make you look intellectually BANKRUPT.

Or uninterested in your blather.

One or the other...

[Nationalist]

7 hours ago, robosmith said:

Do you even understand that average number of deaths is TRACKED EVERY YEAR and WAS QUITE STABLE before the PANDEMIC?

Since 2020, it has been much higher in the US.

Don't know about Canada, since your public health generally does a better job of managing a contagious pandemic.

Oh BS. Look at the overall death numbers. It shows very little change.

[BeaverFever]

Fox Begs Media Matters to Stop Releasing Embarrassing Tucker Videos
 

Lawyers for Rupert Murdoch’s Fox Corporation sent a sternly worded letter to media watchdog organization Media Matters for America on Friday, demanding it stop drip-feeding embarrassing behind-the-scenes videos of Tucker Carlson. 

The leaked clips have, among other things, shown Carlson asking Piers Morgan about sexual techniques, trashing Fox’s own streaming service, and making creepy comments about “premenopausal” fans and women having pillow fights.
 

…

“The unaired footage is FOX’s confidential intellectual property,” the company’s lawyers wrote to Media Matters. “FOX did not consent to its distribution or publication; and FOX does not consent to its further distribution or publication. This proprietary material was given to you without FOX’s authorization.

“FOX demands that Media Matters cease and desist from distribution, publication, and misuse of Fox’s misappropriated proprietary footage, which you are now on notice was unlawfully obtained.”

 

…

In a statement to The Daily Beast, Media Matters CEO Angelo Carusone said it was “absurd” for Fox to suggest that leaked materials are off-limits for reporters. 

“Reporting on newsworthy leaked material is a cornerstone of journalism. For Fox to argue otherwise is absurd and further dispels any pretense that they’re a news operation,” he said.

“Perhaps if I tell them that the footage came from a combination of WikiLeaks and Hunter Biden’s laptop, it will alleviate their concerns.”

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-corp-begs-media-matters-to-stop-releasing-embarrassing-tucker-videos

[BeaverFever]

Fox News anchor Bret Baier’s reputation takes hit after text messages reveal what he said in wake of 2020 election
 

..,

The Fox News chief political anchor has long enjoyed a strong reputation in Washington circles and among viewers, anchoring major news events for the network and moderating presidential debates. While its never been a secret that Baier’s program carries a conservative bent, he’s widely been considered a respected figure who adheres to traditional journalistic ethics and standards.

That reputation, however, has been ruptured in recent months by the release of leaked private text messages sent in the wake of the 2020 presidential election, casting the “Special Report” anchor in a dramatically different light.

On Thursday, the Daily Beast reported that Baier and now-former host Tucker Carlson engaged in a conversation on November 4, 2020, about potentially delaying Fox News’ call of the election. Both men complained that they were receiving blowback from their Trump-supporting viewers over the network’s controversial early projection that then-candidate Joe Biden would win the state of Arizona, putting him on the brink of capturing the White House.

“We need to do something to reassure our core audience,” Carlson wrote Baier in the wake of the Arizona call, according to The Beast. “They’re our whole business model.”

Baier replied that he had been “pushing for answers.” He then added, according to The Beast, “I have pressed them to slow. And I think they will slow walk Nevada.”

Days later, the network was, in fact, last to call the presidency for Biden.

 

….

While much attention has been paid in recent months to the shocking comments Carlson made about Trump and his colleagues inside the right-wing network, Baier has managed to escape much of the scrutiny in the press. But the leaked messages exposed that Baier, like others at the outlet, feared its Trump-supporting audience and seemingly went as far as to urge that editorial decisions be made to placate its viewers, a brazen breach of journalistic norms.

The report in The Beast followed an explosive March story from The New York Times that quoted Baier pushing Fox News President Jay Wallace to pull the channel’s Arizona call and “put it back in [Trump’s] column,” even though it was never in Trump’s column.

Typically, anchors are not involved in discussions related to making election calls. That process is left up to a network’s decision desk. And normally, decision desks base their calls off of data and voting statistics, without taking into consideration politics or potentially alienating a channel’s audience.

 

….

The revelations about Baier are especially noteworthy given that he is the face of Fox News’ so-called “straight news” division. The channel has long argued that its right-wing talk show hosts, which make up the bulk of the outlet’s programming, operate in a separate world fire-walled from its journalists. This argument makes it easier for Fox News to pitch itself to advertisers who might otherwise be wary about marketing their products.

“I am one of those people who does observe some distinction between Bret Baier and Sean Hannity … but the text messages show they are all panicking about the same thing,” Wemple told me. “And the news operation sees its existence as hinging on the crazy. They see their future as imperiled if the fringe isn’t happy.”

. …

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/08/media/fox-baier-reputation-reliable-sources

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Fox News anchor Bret Baier’s reputation takes hit after text messages reveal what he said in wake of 2020 election
 

..,

The Fox News chief political anchor has long enjoyed a strong reputation in Washington circles and among viewers, anchoring major news events for the network and moderating presidential debates. While its never been a secret that Baier’s program carries a conservative bent, he’s widely been considered a respected figure who adheres to traditional journalistic ethics and standards.

That reputation, however, has been ruptured in recent months by the release of leaked private text messages sent in the wake of the 2020 presidential election, casting the “Special Report” anchor in a dramatically different light.

On Thursday, the Daily Beast reported that Baier and now-former host Tucker Carlson engaged in a conversation on November 4, 2020, about potentially delaying Fox News’ call of the election. Both men complained that they were receiving blowback from their Trump-supporting viewers over the network’s controversial early projection that then-candidate Joe Biden would win the state of Arizona, putting him on the brink of capturing the White House.

“We need to do something to reassure our core audience,” Carlson wrote Baier in the wake of the Arizona call, according to The Beast. “They’re our whole business model.”

Baier replied that he had been “pushing for answers.” He then added, according to The Beast, “I have pressed them to slow. And I think they will slow walk Nevada.”

Days later, the network was, in fact, last to call the presidency for Biden.

 

….

While much attention has been paid in recent months to the shocking comments Carlson made about Trump and his colleagues inside the right-wing network, Baier has managed to escape much of the scrutiny in the press. But the leaked messages exposed that Baier, like others at the outlet, feared its Trump-supporting audience and seemingly went as far as to urge that editorial decisions be made to placate its viewers, a brazen breach of journalistic norms.

The report in The Beast followed an explosive March story from The New York Times that quoted Baier pushing Fox News President Jay Wallace to pull the channel’s Arizona call and “put it back in [Trump’s] column,” even though it was never in Trump’s column.

Typically, anchors are not involved in discussions related to making election calls. That process is left up to a network’s decision desk. And normally, decision desks base their calls off of data and voting statistics, without taking into consideration politics or potentially alienating a channel’s audience.

 

….

The revelations about Baier are especially noteworthy given that he is the face of Fox News’ so-called “straight news” division. The channel has long argued that its right-wing talk show hosts, which make up the bulk of the outlet’s programming, operate in a separate world fire-walled from its journalists. This argument makes it easier for Fox News to pitch itself to advertisers who might otherwise be wary about marketing their products.

“I am one of those people who does observe some distinction between Bret Baier and Sean Hannity … but the text messages show they are all panicking about the same thing,” Wemple told me. “And the news operation sees its existence as hinging on the crazy. They see their future as imperiled if the fringe isn’t happy.”

. …

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/08/media/fox-baier-reputation-reliable-sources

Yeah - that one is a complete nothing-burger. THat would be cnn basically behaving like they claim fox news does.

Every commercial tv entity out there cares about what it's fans think.  He didn't say the network would lie, he didn't say that they would fake news or the like.  He just said they would be more cautious and slow about calling another state. There's NOTHING wrong with that.

 

[Rebound]

16 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Nonsense. The links I provided took a 2 minute search. 

The scientific community knew what was on the loose because they created it. Identifying The Rona was easy. It was everywhere. Even in the sewage. Chances are, each and every one of us had it. Some got it bad. I know a guy who says he had it bad. Going golfing with him Sunday.

Not many really healthy people died of The Rona. I remember an Alberta politician divulged that at that time, only 5 healthy children had passed away from The Rona.

The leaders of people and of science, plus our media, way over reacted. Many of us tried to calm you down but...

"AHHH!!! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!!!"

At the end of June, that twit head of the CDC steps down. Fauci is already gone. Our medical talking head should go gardening too.

What happened may well have been an accident. Stupid humans for playing with such dangerous crap. Fauci in particular belongs in jail as far as I'm concerned. 

As more time goes by, what so many tried so hard to warn you of, has been verified.

The real results? Well...we were scared into agreeing to trash our own lives...and our economies.

But, "OH but they say lots of people died!"

Yes, Oh Thou of Group Think, people die. It's a design flaw. So when you release a designer bug, it's bound to push a lot of weaker stock over the edge...like the elderly. But overall...the death rate hardly moved.

Just wait a few years. Because of the inverted age demographic we have now, the elderly death rate is going to continue to spike and rise for a while.

Did 1.16 million Americans die of Covid or not?

And if not, how many Americans did die of Covid?

Edited May 9, 2023 by Rebound

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Or uninterested in your blather.

One or the other...

If you weren't interested, you would not have responded.

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Oh BS. Look at the overall death numbers. It shows very little change.

Excess deaths IS looking at "the overall death numbers." Duh

And in the US, deaths were 1.3 MILLION HIGHER during the pandemic.

[WestCanMan]

12 hours ago, robosmith said:

The number of deaths in Canada was NOT "way more" in 2022. According to YOUR figures they were in the same ballpark as previous years, within 20%, right?

No, there were 30% more in 2022 than in 2021, there were 24% more in 2022 than 2020.

In 2020 the number of deaths was high enough to warrant taking up 85% of the news coverage. We shut down the country. We forced people to vax even though they weren't at risk from covid. 

Now deaths are up and infections are waaaay up. 

OMG WE NEED A VAX!!!!!!!

[Rebound]

12 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Sorry, that was over your head. What was I thinking, right?

In case you forgot, part of the reason for shutting down the economy and all the masking and social distancing regulations was to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed, which is what we constantly heard. 

So, not only were deaths higher, by a lot, infections were up too, by waaaaaay more (according to you), so the hospitals must have been super-super-duper overwhelmed, right?

Naaaah. Because of the vaccines, hospitals weren't overwhelmed even though there were way more deaths and way more infections.

Crazy, right?  

I cannot understand you. 
Canada has a better public health system than the US. The US reported 3,472 deaths per million, while Canada reported 1,361 deaths per million. Trump’s death rate was 250% of Canada’s. 
 

Sounds like Trudeauism worked a lot better than Trumpism. 

Edited May 9, 2023 by Rebound

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Rebound said:

I cannot understand you. 
Canada has a better public health system than the US. The US reported 3,472 deaths per million, while Canada reported 1,361 deaths per million. Trump’s death rate was 250% of Canada’s. 
 

Sounds like Trudeauism worked a lot better than Trumpism. 

That isn't actually a particularly useful metric for several reasons.

There's actually been a number of pretty detailed studies done. And it's not radically conclusive either way. THe us probably has a better system for those who access it - but they also spend more money on it. If we spent what they do per capita ours would probably be better - but right now its arguably worse.  Deaths per 100 k is a useless measure.