Is Leftism a kind of Religion?

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

You sure did backpedal on that fast.

No backpedal required. 

Young healthy people were forced. 100.00% That's' the whole topic right there, in a nutshell. 

Everything else is a side-show.

The reason they didn't force oldies to vax is because oldies are bad for vax stats. They die of covid regardless of vax status. 

[WestCanMan]

Just now, Contrarian said:

• I am currently compiling some Covid-19 data and will share it in a separate thread. As you have provided a serious response, I will give you a brief answer for now. If you are interested in the data, I will post it in the Covid-19 thread tomorrow.

If we take the equation A + B = C, where A represents the COVID-19 virus, B represents the immune system, and C represents immunity to the virus, we can see that without B (the immune system) there is no immunity (C). However, when we introduce the vaccine (V) into the equation, we get the new equation A + B + V = C, where V represents the vaccine.

This means that the vaccine is an essential component that helps the immune system build immunity to the virus. Without the vaccine, the immune system might not be able to fight the virus effectively, leading to the potential for severe illness and death.

In summary, the COVID-19 vaccine is a vaccine because it works in conjunction with the immune system to provide immunity to the virus, as represented by the mathematical equation A + B + V = C.

Stop using bullet points lol. At least until you've looked at my awesome example of how to use them effectively, below.

 

Bullet Point Example (for the edification of one Mr. Contrarian, Esq)

What you're trying to say is that:

1) you're looking for "stats" which tickle your conf bias  

2) you're rejecting covid death stats out-of-hand because they utterly destroy the false narrative which has been such a huge part of your life for the past 2 years. If you open your eyes and allow all of the on-point, verified information in, then you'll be in the same position as all the other vax-cultists who've alienated friends, family and co-workers based on their cultist beliefs, at which point the only proper thing for you to do would be to go to them all, hat in hand, and ask for forgiveness, while knowing that very act casts you down from your falsely claimed moral high ground and strips you of your bogus claim to know-it-all status. 

 

That's checkmate buddy boy. I've just used YOU as an example of exactly how the left is a religion, and shown that you're a cult follower. Not even a centrist cult follower, you follow the leftist cult. 

Class dismissed. 

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

Most of them are. Which isn't surprising, they've been pretty open with the Christian Nationalism thing.

When the choice is between dedicated followers of the Devil and someone somewhat opposed to the Devil's agenda, who do you think a Christian should choose?   That's a no-brainer.  Christians don't have much choice.   Democrats support the killing of unborn babies and allowing biological men to use women's washrooms and changing rooms and many other things like sacrificing the country to the climate change gods of environmentalist radicals, and open borders.

Why do you support the Devil's agenda?

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Most of them are. Which isn't surprising, they've been pretty open with the Christian Nationalism thing.

Most members of Anifa are violent extremists, the rest support violent extremism. 

Next. 

[WestCanMan]

58 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Yah, so you lost the game, and like a troll, like your leader says, the same thing: "I WIN".

-> when the reality is, the only win is in your head.  ?

It seems like you're trying hard to categorize me into a specific group. Perhaps it's because you find it difficult to fathom that someone can function independently without being aligned with a particular politician or ideology, unlike your allegiance to Trump. But I believe it ultimately boils down to the strength of one's character.

You say something stupid, then put up your picture of a chess board and say "you won" lol.

In case you forgot, this is where we stand:

 

1) you're busy looking for "stats" which tickle your conf bias  

2) you're rejecting covid death stats out-of-hand because they utterly destroy the false narrative which has been such a huge part of your life for the past 2 years. If you open your eyes and allow all of the on-point, verified information in, then you'll be in the same position as all the other vax-cultists who've alienated friends, family and co-workers based on their cultist beliefs, at which point the only proper thing for you to do would be to go to them all, hat in hand, and ask for forgiveness, while knowing that very act casts you down from your falsely claimed moral high ground and strips you of your bogus claim to know-it-all status. 

 

Again, that's checkmate, you lose.  

I've just used YOU as an example of exactly how the left is a religion, and proven that you're a cult follower. Not even a centrist cult follower, you follow the leftist cult. 

Class dismissed. 

[WestCanMan]

38 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Why did the radical centrist join a cult? 

-------snip-------

---> You will still say is a conspiracy, but that's ok, I will do my work.

 

1) The reason that we even took covid so seriously was because of the.... deaths. 

2) The vaccine doesn't prevent.... deaths.

3) Now you want to look for proof of the "vaccine's" effectiveness, but in order to get the result you want, you have to ignore the number of .... deaths. 

[Goddess]

3 hours ago, Contrarian said:

1. This means that the vaccine is an essential component that helps the immune system build immunity to the virus.

2. Without the vaccine, the immune system might not be able to fight the virus effectively,

3. leading to the potential for severe illness and death.

3 problems with your post:

1.  Studies and data do not support your contention that the covid vaccine is essential to immunity. The studies and data show that the more covid jabs you get, the more your immune system is damaged. By jabs 3 and 4, your immune system is in the negative. In fact, your immune system takes a serious nosedive for 2 weeks post-vax, bounces up a bit for a few more weeks, then nosedives quickly. It's why you now need 3-4 jabs per year. Besides the studies that show this (see my trickle thread for them), the data on infections and deaths clearly show that the vaccine is not preventing transmission, namely - fully jabbed and boosted people are MORE likely to get covid repeatedly. This cannot even be denied any longer. Everyone sees it happening. The covid jab is not producing immunity to covid.  

2. This statement reflects very poor knowledge of how your immune system works. Take care of your immune system and its actually quite the biological wonder.  Studies show natural immunity is best. Always. Getting covid helps your immune system develop antibodies to ALL parts of the virus, not just the spike, as the jabs supposedly do.  Natural immunity to covid is far more robust.  Again, see the studies on the thread.

3. Unless you are very elderly, very obese or already have one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel, your "potential for severe illness and death" is already near 0%, vaccine or no vaccine.  Peddle your fear-porn elsewhere.

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, Contrarian said:

 

It is worth noting that you previously referred to me as "anti-science" for sharing links from reputable sources such as the CDC and British Journasl of Research.

 

No.

I called you anti-science because you repeatedly tried to rebut actual scientific studies and datasets with cliches and nothing else.

THEN you posted some CDC links. The CDC which has repeatedly lied to the public.

NOW I'm calling you anti-science because you reject scientific studies and datasets, in favour of CDC cliches and propaganda.

[herbie]

Leftism is nothing like a religion, but contemporary conservatism sure seems to be a f***ing cult.

[Goddess]

7 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Tomorrow, on your thread, probably in the morning - afternoon. 

I would suggest you first read the studies and data already on the thread.

I've likely already rebutted,with links to proofs, anything you have to say.  I've no interest in going over the entire thread and all the research I've posted for the last year.

You're extremely late to the party.

It's up to you to catch up.

[Goddess]

5 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

with links to scientific studies. 

Hopefully you have read the post I made there about how to read, understand and evaluate medical studies.

Please put some effort into it - because it sounds like your plan is to quickly Google a study that says what you want it to say, without really checking it out, since you think you're going to post many studies in less than 24 hours.

Dialamah tried that a couple of times, it didn't work out too well for her and now she just "likes" posts that call me names and personally insult me.  ?

[WestCanMan]

37 minutes ago, herbie said:

Leftism is nothing like a religion, but contemporary conservatism sure seems to be a f***ing cult.

I would contend that what qualifies a group as a religion is if they get most of their own spiritual meaning from it and if its adherents are forced to believe/repeat/act on things which are either from the realm of fantasy or ostensibly false. 

Conservatives usually have their own religion, and conservatism doesn't require anyone to believe or say anything without actual, of-this-earth reasons.

Eg, you can be a conservative regardless of whether or not you believe the 2020 election was illegitimate. There are also good reasons for believing that it was illegitimate. 1) The Dems were caught cheating several times on the 2016 election, 2) they spent the next 4 years trying to make election-fraud-friendly voting reforms law such as no-ID voting, mass-mailing unsolicited ballots and then not requiring any form of signature matching, etc. 3) They set up a witch hunt to steal the 2016 election, complete with serious crimes by the FBI 4) Joe Biden couldn't get more than 200 people to most of his 'rallies' and he only had 1 a week. I think 2,000 was his biggest crowd. Trump routinely got tens of thousands of people to his rallies and he had 3 or more per week. 5) Cnn was the biggest election denier in the history of elections from 2016 - 2020, and on election night 2020 they were already proclaiming the absolute integrity of the 2020 election, while Trump still looked like he might win. 

It's absolutely ridiculous to just assume that the Dems didn't cheat. Of course they did at some level, but what can't be proven before Jan 6th is dead and buried. The country has to move fwd at that point and it's way too big of a deal to switch directions on Jan 7th. 

Re: leftism as a religion (cult), a few examples of things that people have to say are: 

-women are the equal of men physically

-trans women menstruate

-trans women can have babies

-8 yr olds possess the wisdom and maturity to choose gender reassignment therapy but 18 yr olds don't possess the wisdom and maturity to understand how loans work

-defunding police will lead to a better society

-letting violent felons out of jail is crucial to make society better and more inclusive for everyone

-the vaccines work, but unvaccinated people can give vaccinated people covid, and then the vaccinated people can die from it

-being forced to choose between losing your job and taking the vaccine doesn't constitute being forced to vaccinate

-it's not a big deal that the FBI commits crimes now

-election denial in the US started in 2020, it wasn't a thing from 2016-2020

-white people are guilty of slavery, no one else really is

-protesting 24/7 at SCJ's homes is reasonable in a lawful society

-it was a mostly peaceful protests because less than 20 businesses were looted and burned, and only 5 innocent people were assaulted

-looting is reparations

Any reasonable person understands full well that the things mentioned above are a pile of mindless drivel, but in order to maintain one's status within the liberal ranks, they have to learn it by rote and they have to say it on cue. 

Do you remember the gesundheitspass mantra? "The vaccines work, and vaccinated people don't get infected and they don't spread covid, but unvaccinated people can give vaccinated people covid, and then the vaccinated people can die from it." I can't even imagine trying to say that to someone with a straight face, but it was a mainstream belief among vaxtards/leftards. And they wouldn't say it politely either, it had to be shrieked. No one would believe it if it wasn't shrieked. 

If you look at the last few pages of this thread you will see that Contrarian is trying his hardest to make the case that the vaccine works really well, while completely ignoring every stat ever published about covid deaths. That's a perfect example of "believing something when all evidence points in a different direction."

Covid deaths went up by a lot after 85% of Canadians vaxed. There were 24% more covid deaths in 2022 than 2020, and 30% more in 2022 than 2021. Almost 90% of those deaths were among the multi-vaxed.

Dude, that's GAME OVER for the vax efficacy debate. The whole point of vaxing everyone was theoretically to get deaths down. But when deaths were up by such a large margin in 2022 the media almost completely stopped talking about them. WTF? 

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

as you seem to think you are some sort of seer.

Nope.  Just have followed the experts who have been right about everything all along.  And I have have enjoyed reading medical studies and journals for many years, since my time in healthcare.  So it jives with my interests.

 

[WestCanMan]

41 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Nope.  Just have followed the experts who have been right about everything all along.  And I have have enjoyed reading medical studies and journals for many years, since my time in healthcare.  So it jives with my interests.

Be careful: "Your efforts to continue in this vein will only result in even more detailed reports being produced tomorrow." ?

[herbie]

just heard from 2 of our most devote cultists...

[Americana Antifa]

19 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

No backpedal required. 

Young healthy people were forced. 100.00% That's' the whole topic right there, in a nutshell. 

Everything else is a side-show.

The reason they didn't force oldies to vax is because oldies are bad for vax stats. They die of covid regardless of vax status. 

I was working in a school in 2018, before covid. In order to be there, I had to prove that I was vaccinated against a bunch of diseases.

Did the government FORCE me to get vaccinated?

[Americana Antifa]

18 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Most members of Anifa are violent extremists, the rest support violent extremism. 

Next. 

Source? 

[Americana Antifa]

19 hours ago, blackbird said:

When the choice is between dedicated followers of the Devil and someone somewhat opposed to the Devil's agenda, who do you think a Christian should choose?   That's a no-brainer. 

Well, I agree that someone here is a no-brainer.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

I was working in a school in 2018, before covid. In order to be there, I had to prove that I was vaccinated against a bunch of diseases.

Did the government FORCE me to get vaccinated?

If they threatened to fire you without compensation if you did not comply and that job was your primary income that you use to feed and house yourself and your family - they ABSOLUTELY forced you.

That's called coersion.

Now - you can argue that such force was necessary given the pandemic, you can argue that sometimes we have to step on individual civil rights and liberties to address a greater right held by a greater number of people. But - you can't really argue that you took the vaccine by 'free choice'  if you were being significantly pressured to do so.

This isn't complicated, and it's been recognized in law for a long time.

[eyeball]

26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If they threatened to fire you without compensation if you did not comply and that job was your primary income that you use to feed and house yourself and your family - they ABSOLUTELY forced you.

That's called coersion.

Now - you can argue that such force was necessary given the pandemic, you can argue that sometimes we have to step on individual civil rights and liberties to address a greater right held by a greater number of people. But - you can't really argue that you took the vaccine by 'free choice'  if you were being significantly pressured to do so.

This isn't complicated, and it's been recognized in law for a long time.

Anti-vaxxers forced everyone to take extra measures.

When people don't like the tax regime where they live and they threaten to leave and take their money with them they're effectively forcing the government to reconsider.

You're right it's not complicated at all.

 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Anti-vaxxers forced everyone to take extra measures.

In what way?

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

When people don't like the tax regime where they live and they threaten to leave and take their money with them they're effectively forcing the government to reconsider.

No, that would be like saying if there is store a and store b - if i choose to shop at store b then somehow i'm repressing store a.   Now - if i were to threaten to burn store a's place of business down if they didn't meet my price.. different story ';)

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

You're right it's not complicated at all.

It really isn't.  I get that you're trying (poorly) to some how make it sound complicated. None of that was complicated.

Did you want to try again'? Maybe with thinking this time?

[Americana Antifa]

56 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If they threatened to fire you without compensation if you did not comply and that job was your primary income that you use to feed and house yourself and your family - they ABSOLUTELY forced you.

That's called coersion.

Now - you can argue that such force was necessary given the pandemic, you can argue that sometimes we have to step on individual civil rights and liberties to address a greater right held by a greater number of people. But - you can't really argue that you took the vaccine by 'free choice'  if you were being significantly pressured to do so.

This isn't complicated, and it's been recognized in law for a long time.

Well in that case, we've always been forced to take vaccines. And it wasn't ever political until right-wing media decided to make it political with covid.

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

I was working in a school in 2018, before covid. In order to be there, I had to prove that I was vaccinated against a bunch of diseases.

Did the government FORCE me to get vaccinated?

1) It should be a serious crime for a violent extremist to be in a position of authority over children, right?

I'd freak if I found out my son's teacher was in the KKK, islamic state or Antifa. 

2) Those vaccines are for viruses which still exist that can kill children. The effectiveness and safety of those vaccines is nearly 100%. 

I get why you'd wanna carry those viruses to a school, being a violent extremist and all, maybe that's why there's a law that prevents you from doing 'your thing'. 

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Source? 

Are you denying that Antifa has violent extremists? 

Do you think that you can be art of a group with violent extremists in it and yet not be considered "supportive" of their actions? That's like saying that you could be part of the KKK but you're still a good person because you don't participate in any lynchings.

You're a vital cog in that violent extremist machine. You're in their propaganda wing. You're suppoed to be recruiting violent extremists. It's your passion. 

[CdnFox]

35 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Well in that case, we've always been forced to take vaccines. And it wasn't ever political until right-wing media decided to make it political with covid.

sorry to hear that.