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Just now, Americana Antifa said:

1) It is. Leftism is about dispersing power throughout society, which includes the acceptance of minorities. This is why the Left has always supported civil rights movements, while the Right always opposes them. So yeah, social acceptance of trans people is a victory for the Left. Gay marriage was also a victory for the Left.

2) Like I said, the exceptions don't define the population or ideology.

1) So therefore, any organization who assists this goal of the "left" is leftist right ?  And those who advanced minority rights in the past were leftist too right ?  If they were called "right wing" then that was a mislabelling ?
2) You said "all" though.  Wrong.

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1 minute ago, Americana Antifa said:

Presenting evidence is bad, eh?

Well try presenting 'evidence' some time and we'll tell you :)

It's just a personal tick of yours - when you feel you're losing or you don't have a point you go with pictures and vids :)  Even time i see it I think "never play poker for money kid" :) You've got 'tells' a mile wide

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50 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1) So therefore, any organization who assists this goal of the "left" is leftist right ?  And those who advanced minority rights in the past were leftist too right ?  If they were called "right wing" then that was a mislabelling ?
2) You said "all" though.  Wrong.

1) Not necessarily. There are lots of liberal or one issue organizations who help to advance left-wing issues. Leftists and liberals generally agree on social issues. What I'm saying is that trans right is a left-wing issue, so getting society to accept trans people would be a win for the Left. It can also be called a win for the Center, since liberals also support trans rights.

2) Come on. In colloquial speak, it's a given that "all" means virtually all.

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2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well try presenting 'evidence' some time and we'll tell you :)

It's just a personal tick of yours - when you feel you're losing or you don't have a point you go with pictures and vids :)  Even time i see it I think "never play poker for money kid" :) You've got 'tells' a mile wide

The video demonstrated my point of how religious and cult-like the Right has become.

I can see you're getting BIG MAD now because the smilies are coming out.

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5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

actually that's pretty much never been the case in Canada. It's always been held that people have the right to their own body. I mean, this is why our legal system isn't eager to pass laws allowing or preventing abortion. So in the past "Manditory" vaccinations have almost ALWAYS had the right to opt out without penalty. In some cases you had to sign that you understood how bad it was to do that (basically) but you could always opt out for 'religious or moral' reasons, meaning if you thought it was against your religion or you thought it was a bad idea.

You were able to do that with the covid vaccine too. Once again, the government did not force anyone to get it. They simply said if you want to participate in this aspect of society, then you have to get the vaccine.

And even when it comes to exceptions, there are cases where the government would still ban participation. For example, in Canada kids can go to school without being vaccinated against a bunch of diseases if the parents object. However, in the event of a viral pandemic, then the government can ban unvaccinated students. And remember, these covid vaccine rules were applied during a viral pandemic.

One of the ways you know this anti-vax bullshit was manufactured is because so many of the laws were already there for other vaccines. People were complaining that they couldn't travel without the covid vaccine, as if we don't already have that rule for diseases like polio and rubella.

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7 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Then the claim was inc

??? Did you hiccup when you were typing or something?

7 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

 

You were able to do that with the covid vaccine too.

No, you weren't. If you didn't take it then you were punished. That is NOT the same in the slightest.

Lets compare -  Regular 'mandatory' vaccines - If you refuse, then no negative effects at all, you can choose to do that freely.

Covid mandatory vaccine - if you refuse, career destroyed, gov't turns neighbours against you, freedoms limited.

Hmmm.  I notice a difference.

 

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51 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

1) Not necessarily. There are lots of liberal or one issue organizations who help to advance left-wing issues. Leftists and liberals generally agree on social issues. What I'm saying is that trans right is a left-wing issue, so getting society to accept trans people would be a win for the Left. It can also be called a win for the Center, since liberals also support trans rights.

2) Come on. In colloquial speak, it's a given that "all" means virtually all.

1) If Trans Rights is a left-wing value then no officer of a Conservative government would espouse it right ?  If Civil Rights are a left-wing issue then no Republican would advance it right ?  I'm not talking about liberals, I am talking card-carrying conservative party types.
2) I haven't ever heard that posited before but - hey - we have already agreed that language meanings change.  That is exactly why you cabbage cabbage the squirrel car on my lollypop breath.

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4 hours ago, Contrarian said:

I have a song too, you ready? You state assisted welfare low graded machine.  

Verse 1: There's a troll in town, he goes by WestCanMan He's spreading lies about Covid-19, it's all a part of his plan He thinks he's clever, but the medical proffesionals know the truth He's just a conspiracy theorist, spreading his uncouth.

Verse 2: He thinks he's got the answers, but he's just a fool Ignoring facts and science, breaking all the rules He's got a following of the gullible and weak But I won't let him bring me down, I'll expose his deceit.

  • ?
  • I am engaged in 2 COVID-19 debates on this board, people are fringes, yes, but much more reasonable than your trolling.
  • You are the dumbest poster on this board. ?

Again, not a single shred of data ever supports anything that you say.

FYI your precious bullet points don't mean anything

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-opinions.

Right now you still have no answer for why covid killed way more people than ever in 2022, after 85% of Canadians were vaccinated. That's not conspiracy or a guess, it's a fact. Even the ultra-leftist Star acknowledged it and I posted it here for you.

Almost 90% of those covid deaths were among the multi-vaxed. That's not conspiracy or a guess, it's a fact, straight from Health Canada's own infobase website. 85.7% to be exact.

And why was the media so quiet about covid deaths in our worst year by far?

Why is it that I always post facts that you can't reply to, and you're just making drunken rants with meaningless bullet points?

We both know the answer - you're an idjit and your propaganda stream dried up. You have no new CTV disinformation to fall back on because they dropped the topic of covid deaths like a hot potato. 

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4 hours ago, Contrarian said:

There are some conservatives around here that you can engage in a debate with. Centrists, Libertarians. 

The main problem with radical <--left wingers like you, is that, you are not looking for debate. 

Your main focus here is to find uneducated trolls like the ones above, agitate them, then get the answer that you want for your validation, after which, you can smoke a joint and laugh with your friends as to how conservatives are. 

Problem for you, is that, you are using your own BIAS to fit your narrative. Is not reality. Brought plenty of data, arguments, logic to show how your ideas, even though, are communicated better, bring to the same violence at the end. 

The Fox, if you don't like him, call him a troll, sure, but you called him a fascist, strong word, why? Because it reminds you of yourself in style of debating? Using blanket statements or highschool style language to gain upperhand when challenged? You do that, too. Me too, if I sense someone is manipulating, I double do it. 

Every time you say ALL conservatives, ALL, ALL. I will answer you, is that easy. Will not use vulgar tone with you, because you are a woman, is a cultural thing, I treat women with less aggression, but you will still hear from me, daily. 

You're so busy trying to sound superior and throw shade that you don't realize your whole post was just trolling. 

1) Stop kissing up to the violent extremist

2) Go back and sift through your posts, see if they have a high enough facts/drivel & snotty insults ratio to stay above the troll line (they don't).

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4 hours ago, Contrarian said:

Another reverse psychology post from a welfare lager drinker. A lager drinker does not understand that some can drink whisky and be productive. You view the world as you see yourself. Lots of successful people struggled with alcohol. It can serve as an enhancer for work. 

I will not engage in a factual debate with you as your mind is incapable of processing them. However, I would like to address the use of the word "we". It is a common tactic used by cowards and trolls to seek support from others.

The truth is, there is no "we". At most, there may be 1-3 individuals who share your beliefs. The majority of people view you as a delusional conspiracy theorist and have blocked you. I, however, am using your interactions to increase my online traffic with individuals of low intelligence like yourself.

  • You are a customer for me.

Keep messaging and spewing your fringe extremist views.

I talk nicer to the <-- left wing radical, Antifa? Yes, she is a woman, the one on the board. In my culture, women are viewed with more sympathy, is how I grew up. 

Also, in my culture, the approach towards uneducated men, you will not like, is happening now. 

  • At the end, tackling Antifa with logic and language, and calling on fringes like you, benefits conservatism ->. No matter how much, dogmatic trolls like you, suspect me to work for the other side, reasonable folks know, that this approach is what the Conservative Party needs to do in order to win elections, hence why Pierre Poilievre was quick to call on fringes. 
  • In my opinion, ideological battles are won by dismantling the other side with logic, data, and language + calling on fringe elements like you. 

Will do this daily, little manipulator troll. Looking forward for your next message, so I can make more traffic. 

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And don't forget your song: 

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Verse 1: There's a troll in town, he goes by WestCanMan He's spreading lies about Covid-19, it's all a part of his plan He thinks he's clever, but the medical proffesionals know the truth He's just a conspiracy theorist, spreading his uncouth.

Verse 2: He thinks he's got the answers, but he's just a fool Ignoring facts and science, breaking all the rules He's got a following of the gullible and weak But I won't let him bring me down, I'll expose his deceit.

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Your bullet points are meaningless again, I'm not on welfare and I don't drink.

Your chessboard is meaningless while you're sitting there stuttering, unable to answer to the facts you were presented with. 

It's 11:00 in eastern Canada, you're halfway to hammered by now. Better search from some fact soon before you're drooling on your keyboard again. 

 

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9 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

WestCanMan's claim was that the government "forced everyone to take it." Which isn't true. Like with many other diseases, you had to be vaccinated against covid to participate in certain activities. It's the same in America.

I never said that they forced everyone to take the pseudovax. They didn't put any rules in place to force octogenarians to vax - they're all retired.

They forced young, healthy people who don't need protection from covid to take it because those people are vax-stat gold. You could vax (or not vax) 50 million of them and only 2 will die of covid in 50 years.

The covid stats right from day 1 show that covid wasn't killing those people. It was killing octogenarians with co-morbidities and still is. 

The vax stats from day 1 show that the vax wasn't preventing infection. I.e., half the people in Israeli ICUs were dbl-vaxed right after the vax came out

So, at the end of the day, it is exactly, 100.000% like I said:

- covid wasn't killing young healthy people

- the vax wasn't slowing transmission 

- people who didn't need the vax would be fired if they didn't take the shot. If they were fired for not vaxing they would be unable to collect EI or CERB, and then they'd have to try to find another job in their field, where they would have to be vaxed to get hired. Those people were absolutely forced to vax and if you can't acknowledge that then you're just a troll.

I've been far to civil with you now you silly little violent extremist simpleton, begone.  

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3 hours ago, Contrarian said:

You are similar to Vladimir Putin in the way that you are inadvertently aiding NATO's growth. Your constant mockery of my English, despite my proficiency in multiple languages, has prompted me to take action. In just 10 minutes, I have downloaded and installed a grammar app on all of my devices, including my smartphone. With this tool, my writing will now be virtually mistake-free. Technology has proven to be invaluable for individuals like myself who struggle with language, allowing me to better articulate my thoughts and dismiss uneducated individuals like you. I highly recommend using Grammarly to anyone looking to improve their language skills. Please note that I am not being compensated for this recommendation.

https://www.grammarly.com/

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Kudos. Now you can say stupid things with perfect grammar. 

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3 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

For people who claim to be Christian, they sure don't read the Bible.

Who said that all Trump supporters are Christian? 

People who can think for themselves, and therefor don't get sucked in by collusion BS, Smollett types, M Brown sagas, etc are conservative. Religion isn't the deciding factor.

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3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Lets compare -  Regular 'mandatory' vaccines - If you refuse, then no negative effects at all, you can choose to do that freely.

Covid mandatory vaccine - if you refuse, career destroyed, gov't turns neighbours against you, freedoms limited.

Hmmm.  I notice a difference.

 

That's cool, but that wasn't the claim. The claim was that the government forced everyone to take it, which is wrong.

I also notice you threw in "gov't turns neighbors against you." Yeah, that's definitely something the Canadian government signed into law.

What exactly happened is that Canada took certain measures during a global pandemic, just like every other country in the world. These measures were based on keeping unvaccinated people away from areas that they were likely to catch and spread the disease. It's one thing to disagree with those measures, but it's just wrong to say they forced everyone to take it, as if that was the law.

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1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

⬆️ Fact Check:  

I can assure you that it is currently 11:16 AM where I am located, as I am sitting in front of three screens. Two of these screens are for work, while the other is reserved for this website's notifications, which I can promptly respond to. This activity is part of my hobby.

Today, I have not consumed any alcohol, and I am confident in my ability to engage with you, for when one is determined, they can move mountains. This hobby of mine is similar to yours, except that all you seem to do is pollute without contributing anything valuable to the conversation.

This is your 20th consecutive post which is completely devoid facts or stats. 

In this whole time you've completely failed to respond to all of the fact-based questions posed to you. 

Your contribution here consists entirely of snotty insults and a picture of a chess board. 

I.e., all you do is pollute. I could talk to a crow and get as much factual feedback.

If you want to get up to speed here, read my post about what makes leftism a religion and try to understand it. Then try to understand the the kinds of things that leftists are forced to believe/regurgitate on cue. Like for example the covid BS that you've committed to memory which prevents you from understanding the whole vaccine scenario.

You're a brainwashed cultist and that's why you can't accept the stats which show that the vax is not a vax. If it was a vax then covid deaths would have gone down drastically in 2022, and multi-vaxed people wouldn't account for almost 90% of covid deaths. 

Those are facts, you just can't recognize them as facts because your cultist religion prevents you from allowing that info to take hold in your brain. You need to pretend that the vax worked.

You don't have a case of "confirmation bias", you have a "cognitive dissonance rejection filter". 

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6 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

That's cool, but that wasn't the claim. The claim was that the government forced everyone to take it, which is wrong.

No, if people are coerced then by recognized legal precedent they've been forced to do something. And as noted there was much coercion. So it's not an inaccurate statement. The gov't did apply force to everyone eligable to take the vaccine. They didn't just ask.

Now - if you want to try to argue that coersion isn't a type of force then be my guest but that's a hard argument to make.

6 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

I also notice you threw in "gov't turns neighbors against you." Yeah, that's definitely something the Canadian government signed into law.

They don't need to - simply standing up on national television and saying "Those guys are terrible, Don't tolerate them they're a waste of space" is adequate to do the job. And the gov't DID do that.

6 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

What exactly happened is that Canada took certain measures during a global pandemic, just like every other country in the world.

Soooo - when did britains prime minister stand up and say that anyone who's unvaxxed is a bigot and a misogynist? I must have missed that, point that out to me.

Where did biden fire all gov't workers who were unvaxxed? Could you point that out perhaps?

No? hmmmmmm,

Yeah - no, Sorry but what you're claiming is untrue.

And if you have to lie to make your point, you probably don't have a very good point

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3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1) If Trans Rights is a left-wing value then no officer of a Conservative government would espouse it right ?  If Civil Rights are a left-wing issue then no Republican would advance it right ?  I'm not talking about liberals, I am talking card-carrying conservative party types.

It depends. Conservative politicians usually fight against civil rights until they become so normalized that fighting against them causes the conservatives to lose elections. Conservatives fought like crazy against desegregation, suffrage, gay marriage, and so on. But eventually those policies became so popular that conservative politician had no choice but to stop talking about them and just accept them if they ever wanted to win another election. That's why today, things that were left-wing decades ago, like women voting, aren't really considered Left or Right today.

By the way, it's also important to mention that a lot of politicians in power don't actually care about social or religious issues, they just use them to distract from economics. Most Republicans aren't actually transphobic or homophobic, they just pretend to be because it's a deflection from their awful economic policies. Really, there's two kinds of conservative. The grifters who pretend to be social traditionalists as a way to rob the public, and the conservatards that actually fall for the propaganda for whatever reason.

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2) I haven't ever heard that posited before but - hey - we have already agreed that language meanings change.  That is exactly why you cabbage cabbage the squirrel car on my lollypop breath.

Exactly.

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