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After noticing that there appeared to be no carbon tax rebate on my bank statements, I decided to dig into it a little and find out how the rebate process works in B.C.  I read the information on the BC government website where it says the rebate is called "BC Climate Action Tax Credit" and it is paid by the CRA (Canada Revenue Agency) along with the GST credit four times per year or quarterly.  Reading the BC government website I learned that the full rebate goes to couples with the lowest combined income and above a certain annual income, the rebate is reduced a certain amount.   This still did not explain why I did not see any deposits from the CRA in my bank account in the past year.   So I decided to phone the CRA and find out how it works.

I was surprised and somewhat amazed to learn that the BC Climate Action Tax Credit and the GST credit are deposited in the spouse's account with the lowest income.  This surprised me because that would mean, in many or most cases, the payments are made to the wife or female partner in a common law relationship because that is probably the person with the lowest annual income in most cases.  What is bizarre about this is the fact that most of the carbon taxes would have been paid by the spouse with the higher income.  That would normally be the man who puts the gas in the vehicle, pays for the utility bills, pays the property taxes, pays for the rent or mortgage, and buys the groceries. 

So why is the BC NDP sending the rebate to the spouse's bank account with the lowest income?  The answer I would speculate has to do with the NDP ideology of income redistribution or Communism.  This makes no sense at all since the spouse with the higher income pays most or all of the bills and paid the carbon taxes to begin with.  This is what I found out unless someone finds that I am wrong, this is the latest information I determined.   There is also the fact that the size of the BC Climate Action Tax Credit is reduced for those with a higher net family income even though the persons with the higher income are likely the ones who pays far more of the carbon taxes than a family on a lower income.  Again using Communist ideology to pay the rebate. 

The October 2022  and January 2023 government grant to compensate for inflation will also be paid to the spouse with the lower income as it is added to the BC Climate Action Tax Credit.

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It seems dumb, but so is the conclusion that it must be Communist.

This is not a serious discussion.  I think that it would be a great discussion on how government needlessly complicates things and then fails utterly to communicate.

It's a waste of ammo to take the approach you have taken.

Have a nice, Communist day. 😄

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5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

It seems dumb, but so is the conclusion that it must be Communist.

This is not a serious discussion.  I think that it would be a great discussion on how government needlessly complicates things and then fails utterly to communicate.

It's a waste of ammo to take the approach you have taken.

Have a nice, Communist day. 😄

No it’s not a “dumb” discussion.  Canadian governments routinely steal money from those who earn it and hand it to those who don’t in some ideological “We know who deserved what” form of redistribution.  That is exactly the kind of unaccountable interference one would find in an extreme left-wing country, because Canada is an extreme left-wing country.  You’re just so totally indoctrinated in the idea that government should decide how you should live and how much of your money you should keep that you think all this is fine. 

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1 hour ago, dialamah said:

Someone's pissed that their spouse got some money?  Is that what this thread is about?

No, I am not concerned about that in our case because my spouse gives half of it to me because I pay all the bills.  The problem is the NDP Commie ideology that thinks they have the unfettered right to just arbitrarily take people's hard-earned money under the pretext of fighting climate change and redistribute to those who they deem most worthy and then claim everyone is getting a rebate for the carbon tax.  This is a lie.  Most carbon taxes are paid by the people who put gas in the vehicle, buy the groceries, pay the mortgage or rent, pay for home heating, pay the taxes, and the countless other things.  The carbon tax drives up the price of everything.  The people with the income pay most of the carbon taxes and are being told don't worry, you are getting rebates. In fact they are giving the rebates to the lower income bracket people who paid the least carbon taxes or none.  The government has been misleading everyone.

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3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

1. No it’s not a “dumb” discussion.  Canadian governments routinely steal money from those who earn it and hand it to those who don’t in some ideological “We know who deserved what” form of redistribution.  

2. That is exactly the kind of unaccountable interference one would find in an extreme left-wing country, because Canada is an extreme left-wing country.  You’re just so totally indoctrinated in the idea that government should decide how you should live and how much of your money you should keep that you think all this is fine. 

1. Yeah, but that's not even Communism and anyway Communism doesn't mean taking $ from the husband and giving to the wife.  It's actually very very dumb to call things by the wrong name over and over.

2. No... words MEAN things.  Albania in the 1980s was extreme left-wing.  We have private ownership so the idea that we are extreme left-wing is dead in the water.

You are on record as attempting to defend the indefensible...

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24 minutes ago, blackbird said:

No, I am not concerned about that in our case because my spouse gives half of it to me because I pay all the bills.  

Your spouse keeps HALF while she doesn't contribute HALF to the expenses ?

WHO IS THE COMMUNIST NOW...

 

Anyway, your misuse of language disqualifies you except during times of boredom.  Carry on with your mislabelling...

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10 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Because Canadians don’t deserve to decide within their own families how their earnings should be spent?

Given that the OP have said they take half of everything their spouse gets, it looks like they do exactly that.

I wonder if OP will now demand that their spouse repay all the carbon tax money they got?

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48 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Yeah, but that's not even Communism and anyway Communism doesn't mean taking $ from the husband and giving to the wife.  It's actually very very dumb to call things by the wrong name over and over.

2. No... words MEAN things.  Albania in the 1980s was extreme left-wing.  We have private ownership so the idea that we are extreme left-wing is dead in the water.

You are on record as attempting to defend the indefensible...

Why do you think it’s fine for government to take this money earmarked for fighting climate change from those who earned it and give it to people who didn’t earn it?

Yes it’s communist because it’s state redistribution of wealth through central planning.

You don’t understand it because you think you’re a conservative when you’re actually NDP in your policy perspective.

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32 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

1. Why do you think it’s fine for government to take this money earmarked for fighting climate change from those who earned it and give it to people who didn’t earn it?

2. Yes it’s communist because it’s state redistribution of wealth through central planning.

3. You don’t understand it because you think you’re a conservative when you’re actually NDP in your policy perspective.

1. I am not arguing that.  I acknowledged that it's needlessly complicated for one thing.
2. To one's spouse ?  and 'state redistribution of wealth' is done also via things like graduated income tax and welfare... which happen in capitalist countries so ... no.
3. And you think NDP is Marxist.  Which one of us is crazier - the conservative who sees value in the ideas of all the main parties or the one who labels the NDP as Marxism ?  (Hint: It's the 2nd person )

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Another issue is the amount that B.C. is rebating with the B.C. Climate Action Tax Credit.  People should really look at what they are receiving.  When I look at the Federal rebates to other provinces from the federal government and then look at the amounts paid to B.C. residents by the B.C. government in the first three payments in 2022, they seem like a pittance compared with the amount stated on the federal rebates.  Also, the B.C. Climate Action Tax Credit website does not state in simple terms how much will be rebated while the rebates to other provinces are clearly stated on the federal government website.  Why does B.C. make it so difficult for someone to see what they should be receiving?  Why were the first threee payments to my spouse for 2022 in the forty dollar range when the total annual payments in other provinces are around the $500 range per year?  The provinces under the federal rebates seem to be receiving far larger payments than the people in B.C. who receive their payments from the B.C. government?

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CAI Payment Amounts for Single Adult (or First Adult in a Couple), for 2022-23
Amount Ontario Manitoba Saskatchewan Alberta
Referred to as a qualified individual in the legislation. Amounts do not reflect the 10 per cent supplement for residents of small and rural communities.
July 2022 (Double-Up) $186.50 $208.00 $275.00 $269.50
October 2022 $93.25 $104.00 $137.50 $134.75
January 2023 $93.25 $104.00 $137.50 $134.75
Total $373 $416 $550 $539
CAI Payment Amounts for Second Adult in a Couple (or First Child of a Single Parent), 2022-23
Amount Ontario Manitoba Saskatchewan Alberta
Referred to as a qualified relation in the legislation. Amounts do not reflect the 10 per cent supplement for residents of small and rural communities.
July 2022 (Double-Up) $93.00 $104.00 $137.50 $135.00
October 2022 $46.50 $52.00 $68.75 $67.50
January 2023 $46.50 $52.00 $68.75 $67.50
Total for 2022-23 $186 $208 $275 $270

Climate Action Incentive payment amounts for 2022-23 - Canada.ca

These charts are from the federal government website.  B.C. does not have any charts that are easily found.

 

You will not find a similar statement of payments on the B.C. website.  They are not being transparent.

You can debate back and forth about how the payments are being made in B.C. which is highly questionable, but it is equally important to examine how much they are paying.  There is no statement or clarity on exactly what they are putting in people's accounts and it is not possible for anyone to just go on the internet an easily find out what they should be receiving in B.C.

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I believe B.C. pays the highest carbon taxes in the country and perhaps in the world and has been paying since 2008.  Yet it is unclear and questionable what B.C. residents are receiving back in the form of rebates and how it is being paid.

The fact that they would send out payments in the forty dollar range in each of the first three quarters of 2022 and then a large payment of between $350 and $400 in the fourth quarter. supposedly which includes a GST rebate and some kind of inflation support simply clouds the whole thing.  Their website says the maximum Climate Action Tax Credit payment should be $521.50 for 2022 unless a couple's joint income exceeds fourty something thousand per year.  Then it would be reduced.  The monthly payments simply do not add up or make any sense.

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The Bible says, "Render unto Caesar, that which is Caesar's."

You pay taxes to the King. The King decides what to do with it. He presents his intentions to the Legislature and it is that body, elected by you, who approves or declines the spending.

When I pay my rent, it becomes the landlord's money. At that point, I have no say on what she does with it. I think she should buy an iPhone, but she wants to donate it to the food bank.

You pay taxes designed to discourage you from emitting more greenhouse gases than absolutely necessary. That money is no longer yours. Unlike my rent money, your MLA has input into how that tax revenue is spent. 

Tax revenue being used to redistribute wealth to people with lower income is an ancient practice, going back to Roman times. After the dramatic change in climate ended the western Roman Empire, the role of re-distribution fell to the church, until stable governments returned to Europe. Napolean used tax revenue to help the poor, but no one would suggest he was a communist.

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3 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The Bible says, "Render unto Caesar, that which is Caesar's."

You pay taxes to the King. The King decides what to do with it. He presents his intentions to the Legislature and it is that body, elected by you, who approves or declines the spending.

When I pay my rent, it becomes the landlord's money. At that point, I have no say on what she does with it. I think she should buy an iPhone, but she wants to donate it to the food bank.

You pay taxes designed to discourage you from emitting more greenhouse gases than absolutely necessary. That money is no longer yours. Unlike my rent money, your MLA has input into how that tax revenue is spent. 

Tax revenue being used to redistribute wealth to people with lower income is an ancient practice, going back to Roman times. After the dramatic change in climate ended the western Roman Empire, the role of re-distribution fell to the church, until stable governments returned to Europe. Napolean used tax revenue to help the poor, but no one would suggest he was a communist.

You still haven’t explained how a climate change scheme unaccountably became a socialist wealth redistribution scheme.

Both are bad central planning schemes.  

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3 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The Bible says, "Render unto Caesar, that which is Caesar's."

You pay taxes to the King. The King decides what to do with it. He presents his intentions to the Legislature and it is that body, elected by you, who approves or declines the spending.

When I pay my rent, it becomes the landlord's money. At that point, I have no say on what she does with it. I think she should buy an iPhone, but she wants to donate it to the food bank.

You pay taxes designed to discourage you from emitting more greenhouse gases than absolutely necessary. That money is no longer yours. Unlike my rent money, your MLA has input into how that tax revenue is spent. 

Tax revenue being used to redistribute wealth to people with lower income is an ancient practice, going back to Roman times. After the dramatic change in climate ended the western Roman Empire, the role of re-distribution fell to the church, until stable governments returned to Europe. Napolean used tax revenue to help the poor, but no one would suggest he was a communist.

Sounds like you're fine with a totalitarian system like the dark ages when the King ruled the peasants by royal decree.  You think we live in some kind of feudal system?   The people did not vote for Communism by an NDP government in Victoria.  We have been told repeatedly that the people will receive rebates for the carbon taxes paid.  That was lie.  You're ok with that because you like liberal Socialist ideology.  Wealth redistribution was not part of the rebate promise. Exactly how the rebate payments are being made was not told the peasants and the system of payment is not publicized by the media.   It is just another fiasco much like the failing health care system that is costing a lot of people their lives.  The NDP government in Victoria also was a total disaster in protecting the people from criminals.  They had five years to do something about it and did nothing.  The ideology of catch and release for criminals many of whom were repeat offenders caused widespread suffering with daily assaults, stabbings, and the government just let the people suffer.  They put millions of dollars into the drug overdose crisis, set up supervised injections sites, and the number of people overdosing has gone up.  Totally incompetent government.

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Yes I just hate how every few months I've been getting cheques from Horgan or Trudeau. GST, Carbon Tax, ICBC, Hydro reductions.

It's just awful!

I think I'll hang an upside down Cdn flag on the pickup and go around calling them communists for not giving the tax they collect to Telus and Rogers, CIBC and RBC, Shell and Esso who really need it.

Complaining they gave it to the spouse with the lower income... almost as unimaginable as the resident Bible thumper not grasping one of it's basic teachings.

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13 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

It seems dumb, but so is the conclusion that it must be Communist.

This is not a serious discussion.  I think that it would be a great discussion on how government needlessly complicates things and then fails utterly to communicate.

It's a waste of ammo to take the approach you have taken.

Have a nice, Communist day. 😄

From what it sounds like, there is income redistribution clearly going on here.  "From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs".

But i wouldn't expect anything different from an NDP government, so people in BC have reaped what they sow.  Not much to complain about unless you didn't vote NDP.

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2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Sounds like you're fine with a totalitarian system like the dark ages when the King ruled the peasants by royal decree.  You think we live in some kind of feudal system?   The people did not vote for Communism by an NDP government in Victoria.  We have been told repeatedly that the people will receive rebates for the carbon taxes paid.  That was lie.  You're ok with that because you like liberal Socialist ideology.  Wealth redistribution was not part of the rebate promise. Exactly how the rebate payments are being made was not told the peasants and the system of payment is not publicized by the media.   It is just another fiasco much like the failing health care system that is costing a lot of people their lives.  The NDP government in Victoria also was a total disaster in protecting the people from criminals.  They had five years to do something about it and did nothing.  The ideology of catch and release for criminals many of whom were repeat offenders caused widespread suffering with daily assaults, stabbings, and the government just let the people suffer.  They put millions of dollars into the drug overdose crisis, set up supervised injections sites, and the number of people overdosing has gone up.  Totally incompetent government.

I am not exactly okay with socialist ideology. As I have said repeatedly, I am a militant Monarchist. I have to be content with it being a constitutional monarchy, but at least it is a Monarchy.

The reason the healthcare system is in trouble is because the people you elected to control the spending are not spending enough on healthcare and people are not taking precautions against the viruses circulating. 

In the good old days when the King ruled by royal decree, the peasants were protected from criminals. They had the tradition of locking up thieves and murderers. When the King's magistrate visited, some time later, the accused were brought into court. A jury was assembled and the trial took place. The accused might also have the alternative of trial by ordeal. There was no catch and release, bail or appeals. You steal a crust of bread, you hang. 

Those accused who were found guilty, were taken from the town on Tuesday mornings and hanged. The number of crimes punishable by hanging was extensive.

 

 

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6 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The Bible says, "Render unto Caesar, that which is Caesar's."

You pay taxes to the King. The King decides what to do with it. He presents his intentions to the Legislature and it is that body, elected by you, who approves or declines the spending.

That's not practically how it works though.

Parliament approves tax legislation, it is rubber stamped for approval by the King and given royal assent.  Parliament then approves a budget on how to spend the tax revenue (and debt money) and the King rubber stamps it as well.  Because the King only has limited reserve powers to be used in emergency only.  Otherwise he defers to the will of Parliament.

This is the case because centuries ago when the King still had the power to rule without the people's consent on his decisions, the King abused his authority and acted like a tyrant, so the people deposed him, and then allowed him to return to the throne again, but with most of his powers stripped by convention and given to Parliament, and the monarch became a rubber stamp with emergency reserve powers.

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1 hour ago, herbie said:

Yes I just hate how every few months I've been getting cheques from Horgan or Trudeau. GST, Carbon Tax, ICBC, Hydro reductions.

It's just awful!

I think I'll hang an upside down Cdn flag on the pickup and go around calling them communists for not giving the tax they collect to Telus and Rogers, CIBC and RBC, Shell and Esso who really need it.

Complaining they gave it to the spouse with the lower income... almost as unimaginable as the resident Bible thumper not grasping one of it's basic teachings.

 

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