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17 hours ago, blackbird said:

There are many different shades of politicians and political ideologies.  The world is not black and white.  

But most of them can fit under the heading of Socialists of one form or another if that makes you feel better.

Socialists lump every individual under the mass group.  That is exactly what Health Minister Dix in B.C. does.  You can hear it in his words when he is speaking about problems in the health care system.  Thousands of surgeries for cancer and other problems have been put on hold and delayed.  Yet the government just announced it has 5.6 billion dollars surplus in B.C.  Why didn't they fix the health care system and why has it been failing and many died as a result?  A woman recently on the news has a huge tumour behind her ear and has been on the waiting list for surgery for months.  This has grown immensely and they may have to take half her face and side of her head off.  How long will she survive?  If she survives, this will be life changing.  Thank the delay on the waiting list.

Yet one NDP MLA who became a cabinet minister recently had her department donate 15 million dollars to what is basically an environmental organization.  That's taxpayer money used to promote Socialism.

Carbon taxes should be made illegal.  They’re simply a tax grab used to pay for more centrally planned ineffectual programs.  BC residents won’t figure it out because these are the same people who can’t understand why crime and deaths are rising in Vancouver as government hands out free drugs and police have stopped all hard drug enforcement.  People will only make the obvious connections when it impacts them personally, such as when their kids can’t find a safe playground free of needles or they can’t afford to buy the fuel they need to take grandma to her medical appointment.  

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7 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Use electric heat. BC has hydro electric power with a low carbon footprint. For the rest we are going to have nuclear power. 

 

So, the effects carbon dioxide and methane on the re-radiation of energy are a socialist hoax? If you believe that, you have a good case to sue your physics prof for lying to you. The Greenhouse effect can be tested in any under graduate lab.

Since I did not take pysics in university, I listen to people who actually know what they are talking about. The late Stephen Hawking for one. Are you smarter than Professor Hawking?

The fact is the atmosphere is far more complicated and far larger than a test tube as I have told you.  The atmosphere cannot be replicated in a laboratory.  Man-made CO2 is only 3% of the total CO2 in the atmosphere.  Out of that 3% Canada's emissions are miniscule.  It won't make any difference what the people in B.C. or Canada do.  They cannot control the climate.  It is just an opportunity for Socialist governments to scam the people with carbon taxes.

The rest of the world is continuing as normal.  It is only the liberal NDP coalition in Canada that is ripping the people off.  The third world is demanding the west pay them billions in compensation.

Stephen Hawking Says Heaven is a Fairy Tale. What Does the Bible Say? | United Church of God (ucg.org)

Stephen Hawking Was an Atheist: His Words on Death and God | Time

If you want to be a follower and admirer of Stephen Hawking that is your choice. 

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1 hour ago, blackbird said:

The fact is the atmosphere is far more complicated and far larger than a test tube as I have told you.    

The facts have been laid out for you, and for you to wave your hands and say it's complicated is negligence.  You still have a duty in a democracy to pay attention to solving problems.

 

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3 hours ago, blackbird said:

The fact is the atmosphere is far more complicated and far larger than a test tube as I have told you.  The atmosphere cannot be replicated in a laboratory.  Man-made CO2 is only 3% of the total CO2 in the atmosphere.  Out of that 3% Canada's emissions are miniscule.  It won't make any difference what the people in B.C. or Canada do.  They cannot control the climate.  It is just an opportunity for Socialist governments to scam the people with carbon taxes.

The rest of the world is continuing as normal.  It is only the liberal NDP coalition in Canada that is ripping the people off.  The third world is demanding the west pay them billions in compensation.

Stephen Hawking Says Heaven is a Fairy Tale. What Does the Bible Say? | United Church of God (ucg.org)

Stephen Hawking Was an Atheist: His Words on Death and God | Time

If you want to be a follower and admirer of Stephen Hawking that is your choice. 

Why should we burn up all our oil now. It doesn't just belong to us. I also belongs to future generations. When coal and oil run out in the near future, we will no longer be able to operate any kind of machinery. There will be no electricity so all the nuclear fuel in the world will be useless. No windmills, no transportation except by walking, etc. That is back in the Bronze Age.

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3 hours ago, blackbird said:

Science is not a question of being a follower or admirer. It is based on observation. It doesn't matter if the person studying the problem is a nice guy or not. 

Professor Hawking was a physicist, not a theologian. Have you ever read Sir Issac Newton's thesis on the Book of Revelations? He believed it was his greatest contibution to humanity, but it was and still is, viewed as claptrap by theologians. When Professor Hawking says something about physics, you can take that to the bank. His religious views come from an area outside his expertise. 

If I want to know something about Physics, I would go to a physicist. If I want to know something about theology, I would consult the Archbishop of Canterbury or the moderator of the United Church of Canada.

Canada has to do all it can to limit carbon emissions. If we don't, how can we tell other nations to make the sacrifices needed to prevent an extinction event. Sudden changes in climate have terrible consequences. You only have to look at the fall of the western Roman Empire. All of the data we have collected on the warming of the earth confirms it is warming at a rate the natural system cannot adapt to.

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2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

The facts have been laid out for you, and for you to wave your hands and say it's complicated is negligence.  You still have a duty in a democracy to pay attention to solving problems.

 

That’s dismissive and unfair.  Why throw billions at a bogus solution to a problem that may not exist or may not be something that we can impact in any measurable and meaningful way?   Even if you think human made impacts can be mitigated to make changes that can make life better for billions, you haven’t illustrated how they can be substantively reduced without creating bigger problems.  I think tech is the only answer, but it will happen gradually and I’m not convinced that we’re in a climate crisis.  I do think more people are impacted by bad weather and natural disasters than in the past because there are more people in the world and many people living in coastal areas, more than ever in history.

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3 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Why should we burn up all our oil now. It doesn't just belong to us. I also belongs to future generations. When coal and oil run out in the near future, we will no longer be able to operate any kind of machinery. There will be no electricity so all the nuclear fuel in the world will be useless. No windmills, no transportation except by walking, etc. That is back in the Bronze Age.

Pure fiction and fear-mongering.

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Oil Reserves in Canada

See also: List of countries by Oil Reserves

Canada holds 170,863,000,000 barrels of proven oil reserves as of 2016, ranking 3rd in the world and accounting for about 10.4% of the world's total oil reserves of 1,650,585,140,000 barrels.

Canada has proven reserves equivalent to 188.3 times its annual consumption. This means that, without Net Exports, there would be about 188 years of oil left (at current consumption levels and excluding unproven reserves)."

Canada Oil Reserves, Production and Consumption Statistics - Worldometer (worldometers.info)

Before making ridiculous comments, you need to do some investigation to find the facts.   There is no shortage of oil.

Canada alone has enough oil to last 188 years.  This does not include the vast fields of gas under the Arctic areas.

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2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Science is not a question of being a follower or admirer. It is based on observation. It doesn't matter if the person studying the problem is a nice guy or not. 

Professor Hawking was a physicist, not a theologian. Have you ever read Sir Issac Newton's thesis on the Book of Revelations? He believed it was his greatest contibution to humanity, but it was and still is, viewed as claptrap by theologians. When Professor Hawking says something about physics, you can take that to the bank. His religious views come from an area outside his expertise. 

If I want to know something about Physics, I would go to a physicist. If I want to know something about theology, I would consult the Archbishop of Canterbury or the moderator of the United Church of Canada.

Canada has to do all it can to limit carbon emissions. If we don't, how can we tell other nations to make the sacrifices needed to prevent an extinction event. Sudden changes in climate have terrible consequences. You only have to look at the fall of the western Roman Empire. All of the data we have collected on the warming of the earth confirms it is warming at a rate the natural system cannot adapt to.

You have not explained what Stephen Hawking has to do with the discussion about climate change and Socialism of the carbon tax.  Yet you bring him into the discussion as if because he was a physicist, that is supposed to prove something.   It proves nothing.  Hawking was a physicist as you pointed out.  This has nothing to do with carbon taxes or Socialism of the carbon tax.

Hawking demonstrated his ignorance by talking about God and theology the way he did.  He knew nothing about the subject, yet many people think he was a genius.  But that is another discussion which is just a diversion from the subject.

You say you would consult the Archbishop of Canterbury or the moderator of the United Church of Canada.  But that would not be a wise choice because they are not necessarily followers of the Bible and may not take it literally.  The United Church has given a lot of evidence to show it is not a real biblical church.  The Anglican church has serious problems itself and could not be a trustworthy source to consult.  The only way to know the real truth is to go right to the source of truth, the Bible itself and consider commentary of those who can prove they really believe the Bible themselves and have sound evidence that can be verified by the Bible.

Your fear about extinction is far overblown fear-mongering and is unwarranted and unproven.

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4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

The facts have been laid out for you, and for you to wave your hands and say it's complicated is negligence.  You still have a duty in a democracy to pay attention to solving problems.

 

Its too bad you don't take your own advice and pay attention to facts presented to you.

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2 hours ago, blackbird said:

You have not explained what Stephen Hawking has to do with the discussion about climate change and Socialism of the carbon tax.  Yet you bring him into the discussion as if because he was a physicist, that is supposed to prove something.   It proves nothing.  Hawking was a physicist as you pointed out.  This has nothing to do with carbon taxes or Socialism of the carbon tax.

Hawking demonstrated his ignorance by talking about God and theology the way he did.  He knew nothing about the subject, yet many people think he was a genius.  But that is another discussion which is just a diversion from the subject.

You say you would consult the Archbishop of Canterbury or the moderator of the United Church of Canada.  But that would not be a wise choice because they are not necessarily followers of the Bible and may not take it literally.  The United Church has given a lot of evidence to show it is not a real biblical church.  The Anglican church has serious problems itself and could not be a trustworthy source to consult.  The only way to know the real truth is to go right to the source of truth, the Bible itself and consider commentary of those who can prove they really believe the Bible themselves and have sound evidence that can be verified by the Bible.

Your fear about extinction is far overblown fear-mongering and is unwarranted and unproven.

The manner in which greenhouse gases affect the re-radiation of energy is physics. That is what physicists have to do with it.

Carbon taxes are a method of detering the emission of GHG's. 

Taxation is not socialism. The bible tells you to pay your taxes. Therefore, it is your Christian duty. Every non-socialist government collects taxes. Brand, Freawine and Cerdic collected taxes.Are you accusing King Cerdic of being a socialist? The Roman Catholic Church collected taxes. How do you propose a government fund healthcare, law enforcement and social services without collecting taxes. 

Some taxes perform a duel purpose. They collect revenue and sometimes are in place to provide incentive for people to act in a certain way for the benifit of the nation. 

You have to expect the government of BC to have some socialist policies. They are a socialist party. They were elected by the voters of BC and when it comes to government, the voter is always right. If they didn't want an NDP government, they should have voted Liberal...you know, the right wing government that brought in the carbon tax in the first place. 

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1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The manner in which greenhouse gases affect the re-radiation of energy is physics. That is what physicists have to do with it.

Carbon taxes are a method of detering the emission of GHG's. 

Taxation is not socialism. The bible tells you to pay your taxes. Therefore, it is your Christian duty. Every non-socialist government collects taxes. Brand, Freawine and Cerdic collected taxes.Are you accusing King Cerdic of being a socialist? The Roman Catholic Church collected taxes. How do you propose a government fund healthcare, law enforcement and social services without collecting taxes. 

Some taxes perform a duel purpose. They collect revenue and sometimes are in place to provide incentive for people to act in a certain way for the benifit of the nation. 

You have to expect the government of BC to have some socialist policies. They are a socialist party. They were elected by the voters of BC and when it comes to government, the voter is always right. If they didn't want an NDP government, they should have voted Liberal...you know, the right wing government that brought in the carbon tax in the first place. 

The argument you use that taxation is not Socialism is false because there are at least ten strong reasons why Socialism is anti-Christian.

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10 Reasons Why Socialism and Marxism are Antithetical to Biblical Christianity

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Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels wrote The Communist Manifesto in 1848, relating it to what they called “scientific socialism.” The 20th century and beyond are fraught with examples of the embarrassing failures of both communism and socialism (I.e., The Former Soviet Union, Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba, Soviet-era Eastern Germany, to name a few). 

Despite this dubious history, we currently have high-profile political leaders, like congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio promoting a form of Marxism called “democratic socialism.” 

The following are ten reasons why socialism is antithetical to the tenets of biblical Christianity.

Socialism is against the biblical view of the nuclear family. 

Marxists argue that “the nuclear family performs ideological functions for Capitalism – the family acts as a unit of consumption and teaches passive acceptance of hierarchy. It is also the institution through which the wealthy pass down their private property to their children, thus reproducing class inequality.”

Hence, socialism is against the biblical principle of parental rights related to their children and the prominence of the nuclear family (Genesis 1:28-29, Proverbs 22:6, Ephesians 5:22-6:4).

2. Socialists claim education belongs solely to the state 

Marxist education aims at producing faithful citizens. Therefore, it is primarily an ideological tool to program children to be loyal to the state. In communist and socialist nations, education and the curriculum are controlled by the state and are not considered the responsibility of the parents. Models like homeschooling children would be illegal. This contradicts the biblical framework regarding parents being responsible for educating their children the way they choose (Proverbs 22:6; Deuteronomy 6:6-9).

3. Socialists claim the state deserves the highest allegiance.

In many communist nations like the former Soviet Union and contemporary countries like North Korea and China, Bibles are confiscated, churches buildings are burned, and evangelism is illegal. This is because they see Christianity as a rival religion to the authority of the humanistic secular state. This goes against the biblical command to put first God’s Kingdom and worship and serve Jesus as the only true Lord (Matthew 6:33; 1 Timothy 6:15).

4. “Socialists believe in the abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.”

This is antithetical to the biblical premise of the individual right to own private property and the command for believers to create wealth to promote God’s covenant (Exodus 20:15; Deuteronomy 8:18; 1 Kings 20:6, Isaiah 65:21-22; Mark 10:39-21).

5. Socialism advocates a progressive income tax.

In a socialist system, people are taxed based on their income. This is called a progressive tax structure. As an example of the influence of socialism in the United States, “The top 1 percent (taxpayers with AGI of $546,434 and above) earned 20.1 percent of total AGI in 2019 and paid 38.8 percent of all federal income taxes. In 2019, the top 1 percent of taxpayers accounted for more income taxes paid than the bottom 90 percent combined.” This goes against the biblical principle that all people, irrespective of their income, should pay the same percentage which is a “flat tax.” (This is similar to the Biblical principle of the tithe which is 10% of a person’s income (Leviticus 27:30; Proverbs 3:8-10; Matthew 23:23).)

6. Socialism opposes the rights of a family inheritance.

In a contemporary Marxist and Socialist framework, either leaving an inheritance to children is not allowed, or the state confiscates much of the family inheritance through double taxation. This goes against the biblical principle of leaving an inheritance to children (Proverbs 13:22).    unquote

10 Reasons Why Socialism and Marxism are Antithetical to Biblical Christianity - Mattera Ministries International (josephmattera.org)

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1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The manner in which greenhouse gases affect the re-radiation of energy is physics. That is what physicists have to do with it.

Carbon taxes are a method of detering the emission of GHG's. 

Taxation is not socialism. The bible tells you to pay your taxes. Therefore, it is your Christian duty. Every non-socialist government collects taxes. Brand, Freawine and Cerdic collected taxes.Are you accusing King Cerdic of being a socialist? The Roman Catholic Church collected taxes. How do you propose a government fund healthcare, law enforcement and social services without collecting taxes. 

Some taxes perform a duel purpose. They collect revenue and sometimes are in place to provide incentive for people to act in a certain way for the benifit of the nation. 

You have to expect the government of BC to have some socialist policies. They are a socialist party. They were elected by the voters of BC and when it comes to government, the voter is always right. If they didn't want an NDP government, they should have voted Liberal...you know, the right wing government that brought in the carbon tax in the first place. 

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7. In socialism, the state attempts to control all communication

“In socialistic countries, centralisation of the means of communication and transport is in the hands of the State.” In communist nations, people are not allowed to have freedom of speech. Violations can be severely punished (I.e., “Meta-owned Facebook and Twitter have been blocked in China since 2009”). Since God owns the world, nobody has the right to restrict free speech, especially the proclamation of the gospel (Psalm 24; Acts 1:8-9).

8. In socialism, a utopia comes from a revolutionary change from the outside in.

“Marx’s utopianism lay in the aim of abolishing the distinction between state and civil society, and in the harmony he assumed would emerge.” This goes against the biblical principle that systemic change doesn’t start from the outside. Instead, it starts from the inside when people are born again in their hearts from above (John 3:3-8).

9. Socialism categorizes people as either the oppressed or the oppressors.

The Marxist revolutions were started by inciting the so-called proletariat to overthrow the social systems of the so-called bourgeoisie, thus pitting poor and rich citizens against each other. This violates the Bible principles of justice and impartiality in which God commands us not to show favoritism to either the rich or the poor (Leviticus 19:15).

Also, a popular form of contemporary socialism called “critical theory” violates biblical principles by categorizing people based upon their sexual identity, economic status, skin color, ethnicity, or gender. Biblically, there is only one human race made in the image of God. In Christ, all the walls that divide humanity have been broken down (Genesis 1:27; Galatians 3:28, Ephesians 2:14-22).

10. Socialists believe the Government is responsible for all social care.

In Socialist and Communist countries, the state is responsible for caring for the poor and providing all goods and services necessary for citizens. They would conceptually view families, churches, and nonprofits as competition to the state if they attempted to do the same. Contrariwise, scripture admonishes Christians, churches, and ministries to serve as benefactors to their larger secular community as witnesses to the gospel (Luke 10:25-37; Galatians 6:10; Titus 2:14; Titus 3:8).   unquote

10 Reasons Why Socialism and Marxism are Antithetical to Biblical Christianity - Mattera Ministries International (josephmattera.org)

The argument democracy produced Socialism is also a false argument.  If democracy produced it then the majority are wrong and produced an evil system, i.e. Socialism.  The other thing is the democratic system is also at fault.  The Liberal or NDP government can win an election with less than 40% of the vote because of the division of votes among various parties.  If the system delivered Socialism then it only proves the democratic system is seriously flawed and corrupt and the voters are wrongheaded, which seems to be the case.  The majority supported Hitler in the 1930s in Germany.  Does that mean he was righteous or a honourable leader?  Of course not.

You might be able to make the argument that a very limited system of taxation was not Socialism if it were used for only a FEW essential things such as paying for the armed forces, highways, and a few other essential things.  But when the taxation is such that it takes a major part of one's income in order to fund all kinds of social programs and have government provide everything for everyone, then that is Socialism.  It removes freedom and makes everyone a servant of the state.

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The main reason we have constitutionally enshrined rights is to prevent totalitarianism and the tyranny of the majority.  Individual rights are fundamental to a free society.  They also ensure that government doesn’t attempt to direct thinking and behaviour to the extent of trouncing on freedom of thought, religion, assembly, expression, etc.

Our current Liberal government very much wants to direct how we think and what we believe.  I do think they’re a force against humanity.  Trudeau won’t let caucus members vote with their conscience on abortion, public health mandates, and more.

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16 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

The main reason we have constitutionally enshrined rights is to prevent totalitarianism and the tyranny of the majority.  Individual rights are fundamental to a free society.  They also ensure that government doesn’t attempt to direct thinking and behaviour to the extent of trouncing on freedom of thought, religion, assembly, expression, etc.

You are confusing us with Americans. "Tyranny of the majority" is a spurious slogan parroted by the American ultra-right. What it means is 'we know better than the mob (other voters).' It is an expression of the wannabee elite who are under the illusion they know better. Neither Canada nor the US has ever experienced "tyranny."

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17 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Trudeau won’t let caucus members vote with their conscience on abortion, public health mandates, and more.

So are you are saying Prime Minister Trudeau is following in Prime Minister Harper's footsteps. The issue of womens' health is definitly settled. Only a stupid politician  would bring it up again.

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6 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

So are you are saying Prime Minister Trudeau is following in Prime Minister Harper's footsteps. The issue of womens' health is definitly settled. Only a stupid politician  would bring it up again.

Nice framing lie to make abortion about women’s health rather than the ending of a human life.  Decades of desensitization from reality… Having an abortion much like getting pregnant is a choice in 99% of cases.  At least Chrétien said he was against it and understood that some others in caucus also oppose it.  He said that the Supreme Court had overturned the ban and he wouldn’t table the issue.  Harper said it wasn’t going to be tabled by the Conservatives.  Only Trudeau requires Liberal party members to support abortion.  Get your facts straight.

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7 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

You are confusing us with Americans. "Tyranny of the majority" is a spurious slogan parroted by the American ultra-right. What it means is 'we know better than the mob (other voters).' It is an expression of the wannabee elite who are under the illusion they know better. Neither Canada nor the US has ever experienced "tyranny."

No that’s an entirely irresponsible opinion.  We enshrine minority and individual rights so that fundamental human rights are protected.  You’re really off base here, but your perspective is what will allow any majority government to strip rights from citizens.  Your views are actually very dangerous and susceptible to evil.  

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7 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

You are confusing us with Americans. "Tyranny of the majority" is a spurious slogan parroted by the American ultra-right. What it means is 'we know better than the mob (other voters).' It is an expression of the wannabee elite who are under the illusion they know better. Neither Canada nor the US has ever experienced "tyranny."

Canada experienced tyranny in February of 2022.

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3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Only Trudeau requires Liberal party members to support abortion.  Get your facts straight.

No you get yours straight. The PARTY says, not the leader.

MOF you are a man, and abortion doesn't affect you personally, so blab all you want but you've no moral right to decide for women.

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