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3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Prove it. I'm not the one who is biased.

John F. Walvoord is one of the most prominent evangelical scholars of his generation.  Listen to what he had to say.

Because of the length I am not going to post it all.  Just a part.  You will have to go to the link to read the whole article.  God does not necessarily give faith or enlightenment about truth to everyone if they do not make some effort themselves to learn it or if they simply reject any offer of the truth, he may just let them be.  That is evident in the way the world is.

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Though Christians believe the Bible is the Word of God, it is obvious that the world as a whole does not pay attention to what the Bible says. So why should we pay attention to what the Bible says?

What is Faith?

A nineteenth-century philosopher by the name of Comte held that we should believe only what we can observe personally. Though advanced as a practical philosophy, it is impossible to live with this definition of faith. Everyone in his daily life is constantly believing and acting upon certain facts that are not necessarily proved.

For instance, if we drive a car across a bridge, how do we know by observation that the bridge will not break down? If we board an airplane for a flight to a distant city, how do we know whether the thousands of workers who put the plane together did a good job, whether the mechanics properly checked the plane, whether enough fuel has been added, and whether the flight crew is competent to fly the plane? We have been able to observe none of these factors, and yet we board a plane with a good deal of confidence. In everyday life, faith is a part of the way we live.

But faith is not a totally irrational step. After driving over many bridges and observing others doing the same, we assume that bridges are constructed safely. After flying thousands of miles, we assume that those involved in the process of flying have done their duty well. Though we have only partial knowledge, we believe it is sufficient upon which to base our faith.

In coming to the Bible, we do not have all the proofs that the Bible is the Word of God, but we have many that are quite sufficient. A study of the Bible not only provides an object of faith, something to believe in, but gives us many reasons why we should believe what the Bible states. The answer to why we believe the Bible involves many facts that together provide an intelligent basis for believing the Bible to be a supernatural statement of truth. The Bible itself claims to be a supernatural book that God produced through human authors.

The Bible Inspired of the Holy Spirit

The authors of the Bible do not claim to be men of supernatural knowledge, and they freely admit that God is the source of their information. This is brought out in a central text that states, “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work” (2 Tim. 3:16-17). The claim in this statement is that all Scripture, that is, all the “holy Scriptures” (2 Tim. 3:15), comes from God, who guided the men who wrote it. This was a supernatural process that human minds cannot understand, but the practical effect was that the writers wrote what was their thinking, but their thinking was so guided by God that the very words they used to express the truth were exactly what God wanted them to use.

Because of this, the Scriptures are effective in teaching spiritual truth about God, about morals, about salvation, and about our future hope. The Scriptures are capable of rebuking those who are not obeying its commands. The Scriptures also provide correction. They answer the question, How can a person who is not doing the will of God correct his life and make it correspond to the will of God? They also provide training, or schooling, in righteous living as well as teach all the truth about God, His righteousness, His justification, and the righteousness that He can provide for a Christian. The end result is that the man of God as he studies the Bible will be equipped thoroughly, as the Scripture states, for every good work into which God leads him.    ....... skipped part here.....

 

The Testimony of Jesus Concerning Inspiration of Scripture

One of the most dynamic and important reasons for believing in the inspiration of Scripture is that Jesus Christ affirmed this view again and again. In Matthew 5:18 Christ said, “I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.” In making this statement, Christ is offering the most complete definition of how far inspiration extends. According to Christ, it not only extends to the words but to the letters and even to the smallest part of a letter that would affect the meaning. In the Hebrew, one little stroke, like an English apostrophe, was the letter “yodh.” This is the smallest letter. In other cases, simply adding an additional stroke to a letter would change its meaning. This can be illustrated in the English in the capital letter “F.” If another horizontal line is added at the bottom of the letter, it becomes “E.” This is what Christ meant when He said that the smallest part of a letter has meaning. If this is the case, then the Scriptures as a whole must be true because Christ declared the Scriptures were true to the smallest letter and the smallest part of a letter that would change the meaning. Believing the Scriptures becomes believing the words of Christ Himself.   unquote

3. Why Believe the Bible? | Bible.org

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1 hour ago, blackbird said:

The Bible proves Christianity is the true religion.  Our major political parties are led by non-believers or followers of heathen religion.  That will not bode well for Canada.  It is not possible to lead a nation and have it on the right path with that kind of political leadership and government.  That is just one example of why Canada is on a downward spiral.

Name a single Western Democracy that uses the Bible for it's only source of morality and law. 

BTW using the Bible as the only basis for how one should behave sounds a lot like Sharia Law in another cloak. 

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Member blackbird. 

Do you believe there was life on Earth before humanity?

Do you believe the world is only a few thousands years old?

Do you believe dinosaurs existed during a time before man? 

Do you believe the world was created in 6 literal days? 

I want to establish how insane you are, before continuing to try and conduct an honest debate. 

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21 minutes ago, blackbird said:

No, it is not a book written by men.  The authors of the Bible were inspired by the Holy Spirit of God.  That places it on a completely different level than any other book.  That is why it has been the best-selling book for centuries with 100s of millions of copies being sold.

Hahahaha.  The Bible being the best-selling book in history proves that it was divinely inspired!  For sure!  Yep!  ?

The Holy Spirit directed men to write that non-virgins should be stoned, that women shall be silent and not permitted to teach or hold authority over men.  Bastard children being unclean in the eyes of God and unable to enter His Congregation even 10 generations later was "divinely inspired", along with the exclusion of the disabled and the maimed.  

If you actually studied the Bible and gave it even a moment's critical thinking, you'd not say such things.  

 

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1 hour ago, Boges said:

Name a single Western Democracy that uses the Bible for it's only source of morality and law. 

BTW using the Bible as the only basis for how one should behave sounds a lot like Sharia Law in another cloak. 

I never said western democracies are using only the Bible.  Obviously they are not.  You misunderstand most of what I said.  The Bible has nothing to do with Sharia Law which is a false religion.  Not sure why you mention it.

You came to Canada but have not yet learned our system is based on Judeo-Christian principles and civilization down through the ages.  The difference between western countries and the rest of the world is the west is founded on Judeo-Christian principles such as respect for the rights of the individual.  That is non-existent in much of the rest of the world.  Check Africa, the middles east and Asia.  

Where do you think laws against murder, stealing, etc. came from.  This does not mean Canada is following the Bible to much extent today.  Obviously are not.   You do realize Sharia Law is a denial of basic freedoms and human rights I hope.

The Bible teaches that human life is sacred.  That is why abortion is immoral and against the Bible.  The Bible also teaches marriage can only be between one man and one woman.  The family is the centre of a civilized society.  The Bible does not teach that blasphemers should be executed.  Where did you come from?

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10 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Where do you think laws against murder, stealing, etc. came from.  This does not mean Canada is following the Bible to much extent today.  Obviously are not.   You do realize Sharia Law is a denial of basic freedoms and human rights I hope.

The Bible teaches that human life is sacred.  That is why abortion is immoral and against the Bible.  The Bible also teaches marriage can only be between one man and one woman.  The family is the centre of a civilized society.  The Bible does not teach that blasphemers should be executed.  Where did you come from?

In one paragraph you say that the Bible is all about Human Rights. 

In the next you say that the bible teaches that in a Bible based society the right of marriage can only be between a man and a a woman and the rights over a woman's body must be restricted. 

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1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

Hahahaha.  The Bible being the best-selling book in history proves that it was divinely inspired!  For sure!  Yep!  ?

The Holy Spirit directed men to write that non-virgins should be stoned, that women shall be silent and not permitted to teach or hold authority over men.  Bastard children being unclean in the eyes of God and unable to enter His Congregation even 10 generations later was "divinely inspired", along with the exclusion of the disabled and the maimed.  

If you actually studied the Bible and gave it even a moment's critical thinking, you'd not say such things.  

 

There you go again twisting what I said.  I never said that being the best selling book proves it is divinely inspired.  I said it has sold more books than any other in history.  That is because of it's significance and importance.  Millions of people believe it is God's word.  That's why it is the best selling book.

I don't think it says non-virgins should be stoned.  Also, that did not apply to all non-virgins.  It had to do with adultery which you never mentioned.  Those were certain commandments in the old testament that were directed to Israel but they do not apply today.  They do not apply to the church age in the past 2,000 years. 

"The Bible does not prohibit women from enjoying equal opportunities legally, socially, or economically, nor does the Bible require Christian women to be submissive to all men.

This would mean that godly women should feel perfect liberty to take positions of authority over men in professional, business or social contexts. But the Bible does prescribe the form which should accompany freedom for the Christian woman in her home and in her church."    

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Women’s liberation, like many social movements of our day, causes confusion and concern for Christians. Too often, angry rhetoric or dynamic personalities obscure genuine issues, and enthusiasts for the cause attempt to enlist devotees to support the entire package of issues, some of which trouble the Christian’s conscience. Some go so far as accusing the Bible of perpetuating female bondage through its archaic teachings. This unfortunate charge is ironic, for the Bible alone offers the only true freedom for women or men.

While pagan cultures contemporary with Old Testament Israel treated women as the lowest form of chattel property, the Bible exalts women who found fulfillment in many ways.

For instance:

Hannah’s life centered on her family (I Samuel 1-2)

Miriam excelled as a prophetess (Exodus 15:20)

Deborah achieved greatness as a judge, military leader and poet (Judges 5)

Esther successfully led her people through intriguing political conspiracies (Esther 4-7)

Naomi and Ruth sold real estate (Ruth 4:3-9)

Women aided in the defense of Thebez

An woman turned the tide of that battle against the wicked aggressor, Abimelech (Judges 9:50-55)

The inspired description of an excellent wife given in Proverbs 31 contains ambitious standards for her family relationships, but no one can honestly say that she was a domestic slave to a chauvinistic husband. Indeed, she found fulfillment, in addition to her home, in real estate investments (31:16), as well as in retail and wholesale distribution of the clothing she manufactured (31:24).

The first European convert to Christianity, Lydia of Thyatira, was a “seller of purple fabrics, a worshiper of God” (Acts 16:14).

Furthermore, there are no distinctions of sex regarding salvation by faith in Christ or one’s position before God. “There is neither male or female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:28). The prominence of women in the early church is apparent in the numerous names cited for special recognition in the Epistles (Romans 16; II Timothy 4; II John). Neither males nor females have advantaged positions of spirituality, but both have appropriate responsibilities for living spiritually within the contexts established by God for their respective sex.

Within Christian freedom, the Bible prescribes a certain form for the Christian home and the church. One who does not know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior cannot be expected to adhere to Biblical precepts. Since the Bible offers freedom, not chaos, it sets guidelines for essential institutions.

Within the Christian home, “the man is the head of the woman” (I Corinthians 11:3). “For indeed man was not created for woman sake, but woman for man’s sake” (I Corinthians 11:9).

The headship of the man in the home is based upon the creative fiat of God Himself; “It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him” (Genesis 2:18). Yet, the husband violates the Bible’s instruction if he treats his wife as an inferior. “In the Lord, neither is woman independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. For as the woman originates from the man, so also the man has his birth through the woman; and all things originate from God” (I Corinthians 11:11-12)."

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5 minutes ago, Boges said:

In one paragraph you say that the Bible is all about Human Rights. 

In the next you say that the bible teaches that in a Bible based society the right of marriage can only be between a man and a a woman and the rights over a woman's body must be restricted. 

God has a commandment against killing.  The unborn baby is a person in the Bible. 

Human rights do not include the right to kill other people or to go against the sanctity of marriage and the family.  There is no human right to do whatever you feel like in a civilized society.  Where did you get the idea human rights means a free for all?

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12 minutes ago, blackbird said:

God has a commandment against killing.  The unborn baby is a person in the Bible. 

Human rights do not include the right to kill other people or to go against the sanctity of marriage and the family.  There is no human right to do whatever you feel like in a civilized society.  Where did you get the idea human rights means a free for all?

Where do you get off dictating other peoples rights?

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8 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Where do you get off dictating other peoples rights?

The only right you have is the right to go to hell for rejecting God, Jesus Christ and the Bible.  That is what the Bible teaches.

"What is a biblical view of human rights?

It is difficult to speak definitively about human rights because it's such an esoteric topic, subject to personal opinion, historical precedent, and situational ethics. "Human rights" are those things that people naturally deserve by nature of their identity as human beings. But from an entirely ethical standpoint, our only right is that of eternal damnation because of our sinful nature. When seen from a Christian standpoint, human rights are what we should have by nature of being created in the image of God. But in this regard, the only rights are to be able to multiply, use the earth, and to rule over animals—and those are rights given to mankind, not necessarily individuals.

From a biblical standpoint, there is no "right." There is only what God intended for us to have. Half of this includes elements of a lifestyle that is beneficial to us as humans. The other half is justice.

What is a biblical view of human rights? (compellingtruth.org)

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On 9/29/2022 at 3:08 PM, Moonbox said:

Thanks for continuing to deliver perfect quotes to encapsulate your ignorance!

You haven't done a single thing to show I'm wrong, Ben. Nor can you.

On 9/29/2022 at 3:08 PM, Moonbox said:

Your stuck on a distinction that doesn't exist, supposing that "Islam" is a monolithic and uniform institution and that the only difference is how much Muslim you are.  

I'm unaware of any major body or group or even any important cleric who is off side with the common, everyday, mainstream interpretation of Islamic law. And again, Ben, you haven't done a thing to show me wrong.

On 9/29/2022 at 3:08 PM, Moonbox said:

Try the biggest one of all.  Indonesia (with +90% Muslim population) isn't as free/secular as, say, Canada, but it's  unrecognizable from places like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, where the worst practices and worst offenders among the faith constitute your Bubba interpretation of what "Islam" is.  Honour killings, niqabs and killing infidels!  That's what it's all about, right?!  ?

That wasn't the question, Ben. The question was which of the 50 odd Islamic states treats Muslims and non-Muslims, men and women equally under law. But even so, Indonesia is what you're putting up?

Just to start with, blaspheme is illegal in Indonesia. Women have to wear a hijab in parts of the country. There are strong islamist terrorist groups who bomb churches and murder Christians. Gender mutilation of women is legal and about half of the women in the country are estimated to have had it done to them. A pew poll showed 72% of Indonesians support Sharia law being the law of the land. This is your most un-islamist country?

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11 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

I didn't say Canada was horrible

Canada says that it is a Post National State with no core identity

so it's not a question of like or dislike

Canada is simply not a country at all

Canadian nationalism is low.  So it's possible that it isn't a nation-state.  But it is a state. And it has several sub-nations within it, which is also very dangerous for unity.  The gov should push the Canadian national identity, but they do the opposite because they are dumb idealist socialists.

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10 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Justin Trudeau represents what Canada is all about

government bureaucrats feathering their nests at the expense of everybody else

but Canada is not a republic

I am only required to pay my taxes & obey the laws

otherwise, I have no particular obligations to Canada

there is no citizens militia in Canada, in fact, that is prohibited in Canada

if you claim to represent some nationalist faction in Canada

and that I have obligations to fight for you and your self proclaimed authoritarian ideology

that would be fascism

I thought you fight for the Queen?  People have to obey the Queen's laws.  Now the King's laws I guess.

Canadians dislike Trudeau.  He represents the urban and suburban yuppies, mainly from Quebec and Ontario.  Not my kind of people.

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44 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Canadian nationalism is low.  So it's possible that it isn't a nation-state.  But it is a state. And it has several sub-nations within it, which is also very dangerous for unity.  The gov should push the Canadian national identity, but they do the opposite because they are dumb idealist socialists.

I am a landing owning, law abiding, decorated veteran, happily married for 22 years now

born in British Columbia, raised in Nova Scotia, living in Ontario

but Canada simply does not represent me anymore

the Crown of Canada invokes ideologies which are an anathema to everything I believe in

I cannot lie and swear allegiance to that

to live a lie poisons the soul

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2 hours ago, blackbird said:

The only right you have is the right to go to hell for rejecting God, Jesus Christ and the Bible.  That is what the Bible teaches.

"What is a biblical view of human rights?

It is difficult to speak definitively about human rights because it's such an esoteric topic, subject to personal opinion, historical precedent, and situational ethics. "Human rights" are those things that people naturally deserve by nature of their identity as human beings. But from an entirely ethical standpoint, our only right is that of eternal damnation because of our sinful nature. When seen from a Christian standpoint, human rights are what we should have by nature of being created in the image of God. But in this regard, the only rights are to be able to multiply, use the earth, and to rule over animals—and those are rights given to mankind, not necessarily individuals.

From a biblical standpoint, there is no "right." There is only what God intended for us to have. Half of this includes elements of a lifestyle that is beneficial to us as humans. The other half is justice.

What is a biblical view of human rights? (compellingtruth.org)

Piss off, I don't tell you how to live. Your faith is your business not mine. 

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14 minutes ago, Aristides said:

That's right, it's my choice.

That's right, it is your choice.  But you should at least make yourself aware of your spiritual condition instead of fighting it.

According to the Bible we are all as an unclean thing.  We are all born with a sinful, fallen nature and in rebellion against God.  The Bible has given us the solution to that which is to accept the truth, admit we are sinners, determine to change, and accept Jesus as our Savior (atonement for our sins) and accept his written revelation (the Bible).  Then we become new creatures and are forgiven.  The alternative is to go into eternity without salvation.  But everyone has to make that decision himself.  Nobody can make that decision for someone else.

 

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4 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

I am a landing owning, law abiding, decorated veteran, happily married for 22 years now

born in British Columbia, raised in Nova Scotia, living in Ontario

but Canada simply does not represent me anymore

the Crown of Canada invokes ideologies which are an anathema to everything I believe in

I cannot lie and swear allegiance to that

to live a lie poisons the soul

Frankly I don't really understand what exactly you believe in.  You pledge loyalty to the British Crown but also are an American with allegiance to that republic.  But that republic is founded on basis of rejecting the British monarchy.  So you either reject King George or you don't.

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11 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

  So you either reject King George or you don't.

that is not the case in Canada

the Quebecois have no allegiance to the British Crown

yet they are not with the Americans neither

the immigrants who come here don't care for the British Crown neither

yet they obtain citizenship quite easily

I would actually say that we Americans defend the British Crown

far more than the vast majority of Canadians do

whose thermonuclear weapons are those on British SSBN's ?

those are our thermonuclear weapons, granted to them, by Special Relationship

whose military defends Canada ?

our military defends Canada

even in the case of an internal conflict, if Canada were to face an insurrection

Canada would have to request our military to step in to prop it up

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