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British multiculturalists are feeding Islamic fundamentalism. Muslims do not need to become the majority in the UK; they just need gradually to Islamize the most important cities. The change is already taking place.

British personalities keep opening the door to introducing Islamic sharia law. One of the leading British judges, Sir James Munby, said that Christianity no longer influences the courts and these must be multicultural, which means more Islamic. Rowan Williams, the former Archbishop of Canterbury, and Chief Justice Lord Phillips, also suggested that the English law should "incorporate" elements of sharia law.

British universities are also advancing Islamic law. The academic guidelines, "External speakers in higher education institutions", provide that "orthodox religious groups" may separate men and women during events. At the Queen Mary University of London, women have had to use a separate entrance and were forced to sit in a room without being able to ask questions or raise their hands, just as in Riyadh or Tehran.

"London is more Islamic than many Muslim countries put together", according to Maulana Syed Raza Rizvi, one of the Islamic preachers who now lead "Londonistan", as the journalist Melanie Phillips has called the English capital. No, Rizvi is not a right-wing extremist. Wole Soyinka, a Nobel Laureate for Literature, was less generous; he called the UK "a cesspit for Islamists".

"Terrorists can not stand London multiculturalism", London's mayor Sadiq Khan said after the recent deadly terror attack at Westminster. The opposite is true: British multiculturalists are feeding Islamic fundamentalism. Above all, Londonistan, with its new 423 mosques, is built on the sad ruins of English Christianity.

The Hyatt United Church was bought by the Egyptian community to be converted to a mosque. St Peter's Church has been converted into the Madina Mosque. The Brick Lane Mosque was built on a former Methodist church. Not only buildings are converted, but also people. The number of converts to Islam has doubled; often they embrace radical Islam, as with Khalid Masood, the terrorist who struck Westminster. unquote

Londonistan: 423 New Mosques; 500 Closed Churches :: Gatestone Institute

Is this the destiny for Canada?

CBC appears to be a strong advocate for Islam and Multiculturalism in the people they have hosting programs and pundits commenting on politics.  

Some immigrants in Canada have been on television recently during the Queen's death coverage and some saying we should get rid of the Constitutional monarchy even though they must have sworn allegiance to her majesty in order to obtain citizenship.  Meanwhile the government continues to bring in immigrants who are not sincere about being loyal to our Constitutional monarchy.

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Britannia was founded by the Romans in 43 A.D.

anybody could be a Roman

Roman was not a race, Roman was not a place

the British Empire,  to include Canada,  was modelled on this

the biggest part of the Empire was India, which includes what is now Pakistan

100,000,000 Indians, ruled over by 6,000 Britons

then the British are the ones who brought the Indians to the United Kingdom

to fight in the First World War

there's no going back now

 

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2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Riyadh or Tehran.

Do you know the difference between the 2? 

Great video: 

In regards to Islam, my views: 

a) is a newer religion, takes time to reform, where was Judaism and Christianity hundreds of years ago? 

the counter-argument to that is I know it: 

b) well, with the age of the internet, people should not have an excuse not to evolve. 

but then the question put forward once by a friend of mine from Algérie is and I quote: 

c) "why aren't you, in the west allowing us to fight it out? Because really in Europe a relative peace agreement through EU was reached after 2 major wars. so if you, in the west don't completely back off and let us fight it out, there will always going to be radicalism amongst our midst. With radicalism comes more immigration to the west etc, etc.  oh yah but the oil =)"

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2 hours ago, eyeball said:

I wonder how many more times in my lifetime I'll see the question Will Multiculturalism be Canada's Achilles Heel (Downfall) being agonized over?

It's been policy for 1/3 of our existence now... so.... it's going to start impacting us negatively as of... now ?

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4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

It's been policy for 1/3 of our existence now... so.... it's going to start impacting us negatively as of... now ?

Policy is different then demographics.  Aboriginals, Anglos, and Francos have existed together for hundreds of years.  It has not been one big happy family.

When you have majorities and minorities and only the majority rules in government then politics happens. What is politics?  Politics is defined as power relations between human beings.

You seem aware of Toronto school board politics.  When parents vote for their board trustees, who do they vote for?  The Italian areas typically vote for an Italian, the Ukrainian areas a Ukrainian, etc.

When Jagmeet Singh was running for NDP leadership his campaign was flooded with donations from Sikhs.  Donations are public record, you can go check them right now online and count the names with Singh or Kaur etc.  The NDP also saw a huge influx of new members before the leadership vote.  But this is fair game in a democracy.

The last 50 years we have typically had a Quebecer as our PM.  2 Trudeaus and a Chretien etc.  Quebecers prefers to vote for one of their own. Again, this is fair game in a democracy.  So, it becomes dangerous to unity when people start voting based on their identity.

What do aboriginals and Quebecois want?  They mostly want self-determination, to not be held down. How do you prevent civil strife? You give people self-determination.  So far the Sikhs, Chinese, Italians etc have been content with living in their ethnic enclaves and voting for people from their own tribes, but when groups grow to numbers large enough to have real political power the potential for problems increase.

Canada has largely avoided the multicultural problems that different European countries have.  Are we more tolerant?  Maybe, but given our unresolved issues with Francos and aboriginals we aren't in any way immune to these issues.  Therefore, I suspect it simply comes down to demographics.

So this post isn't about "other cultures = bad".  It's about not being naive & idealistic about these issues and assuming Canada is immune.  It's about thinking about these issues and anticipating possible problems in the future and how to prevent or solve them, if possible.  One of the worst ways to deal with an issue is to bury our head in the sand because it's uncomfortable to confront them.  But our society is incapable of having these discussions, because we're filled with cowards.

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21 hours ago, blackbird said:

I guessed you missed it, but the destiny for Canada is secularism.  The churches aren't being replaced with mosques.  They're being closed down because codified superstition is progressively becoming less and less appealing to a highly educated Western World.  That a bunch of muslims are immigrating here and building mosques is hardly something to be worried about.  Let them.  In a generation or two their children will mix with the general population and join the rest of the country in secular living.  

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1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

  In a generation or two their children will mix with the general population and join the rest of the country in secular living.  

Yeah... at our kid's school the Muslim mums have traditional garb but their girls have jeans and t-shirts, go figure...

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37 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Yeah... at our kid's school the Muslim mums have traditional garb but their girls have jeans and t-shirts, go figure...

Elementary school or high school? 

I don't think that any girls wear the hijab in elementary school.

Funny thing about the hijab, people see it as a symbol of religious freedom here but in the ME it's actually a symbol of serious oppression, the likes of which we never saw in Canada until the gesundheitspass was created. Not wearing a hijab will get women harassed, threatened, spit on, beaten, raped, caned & jailed, and even murdered in many countries, not just Iran and Afghanistan. 

Oddly enough, leftists suddenly care about the death of an Iranian woman, Mahsa Amini, while in the custody of the "Morality Police" for a hijab-related crime. 

It was only a year ago that an Iranian woman was caned and sent to jail for removing her hijab and leftists felt like it was A-OK. 

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27 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

1. Elementary school or high school? 

2. Oddly enough, leftists suddenly care about the death of an Iranian woman, Mahsa Amini, while in the custody of the "Morality Police" for a hijab-related crime. 

3. It was only a year ago that an Iranian woman was caned and sent to jail for removing her hijab and leftists felt like it was A-OK. 

1. Elementary...
2. I don't think it's odd.  Moral people of all stripes care about such atrocities.
3. They did ?  Why do you think that ?

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23 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Elementary...

I don't think any girls wear hijabs at that age over here.

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2. I don't think it's odd.  Moral people of all stripes care about such atrocities.

It's just weird to say that:

whipping a woman and throwing her in jail for several years for removing her head scarf is ok but....

-  it's crossing a line when you kill them, or when they die unexpectedly

People who are ok with the whipping and jailtime are huge G-D losers, I don't see how they suddenly feel like their opinion on the issue is of any concern when the ridiculous penalty goes up one notch.

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3. They did ?  Why do you think that ?

Yes, our MSM did feel like it was ok, because they either mostly or completely ignored it. Our PM didn't comment on it either.

I found some CBC video about one of these two - Saba Kord Afshari and Nasrin Sotoudeh - but nothing from CTV. One of them got over 100 lashes (I think I said caning earlier but the woman was whipped, if it makes a difference) and they both got sentenced to extremely lengthy prison terms as well. 

In any event, women suffer horribly if they don't wear the world's foremost symbol of misogyny and oppression in most muslim-ruled countries. 

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2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

1. It's just weird to say that:

whipping a woman and throwing her in jail for several years for removing her head scarf is ok but....

-  it's crossing a line when you kill them, or when they die unexpectedly

2. Yes, our MSM did feel like it was ok, because they either mostly or completely ignored it. Our PM didn't comment on it either.

 

1. Yes it's weird and it's reprehensible. Who said that?

2. Oh okay, you're changing your statement now. You said left us above, and now you're saying media.. but because they ignored it. I heard this story on the CBC myself so... I'm not sure where we are on this.

I think people should be free to wear religious garments, and it shouldn't be imposed by the state to wear or not wear anything.

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18 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Policy is different then demographics.  Aboriginals, Anglos, and Francos have existed together for hundreds of years.  It has not been one big happy family.

When you have majorities and minorities and only the majority rules in government then politics happens. What is politics?  Politics is defined as power relations between human beings.

You seem aware of Toronto school board politics.  When parents vote for their board trustees, who do they vote for?  The Italian areas typically vote for an Italian, the Ukrainian areas a Ukrainian, etc.

When Jagmeet Singh was running for NDP leadership his campaign was flooded with donations from Sikhs.  Donations are public record, you can go check them right now online and count the names with Singh or Kaur etc.  The NDP also saw a huge influx of new members before the leadership vote.  But this is fair game in a democracy.

The last 50 years we have typically had a Quebecer as our PM.  2 Trudeaus and a Chretien etc.  Quebecers prefers to vote for one of their own. Again, this is fair game in a democracy.  So, it becomes dangerous to unity when people start voting based on their identity.

What do aboriginals and Quebecois want?  They mostly want self-determination, to not be held down. How do you prevent civil strife? You give people self-determination.  So far the Sikhs, Chinese, Italians etc have been content with living in their ethnic enclaves and voting for people from their own tribes, but when groups grow to numbers large enough to have real political power the potential for problems increase.

Canada has largely avoided the multicultural problems that different European countries have.  Are we more tolerant?  Maybe, but given our unresolved issues with Francos and aboriginals we aren't in any way immune to these issues.  Therefore, I suspect it simply comes down to demographics.

So this post isn't about "other cultures = bad".  It's about not being naive & idealistic about these issues and assuming Canada is immune.  It's about thinking about these issues and anticipating possible problems in the future and how to prevent or solve them, if possible.  One of the worst ways to deal with an issue is to bury our head in the sand because it's uncomfortable to confront them.  But our society is incapable of having these discussions, because we're filled with cowards.

Well thought out.  There are endless problems which could arise out of a multicultural policy.

Just one for example.  Vancouver BC is now 28.8% Chinese and Richmond, BC is over 50% Chinese.  Nothing wrong with most Chinese people.  They are quite cordial and friendly.  The problem in the greater Vancouver area is the cost of real estate for ordinary Canadians is out of sight.  This problem has been exacerbated by a provincial and federal government who have allowed foreigners to buy up real estate in the major cities of Vancouver, Victoria, Toronto, etc. even if they don't live in them.  Billions of dollars worth of real estate including multi-million dollar homes and high rises, apartments buildings etc. has been purchased by people who do not even reside in the city.  There are 300,000 people living in Hong Kong who hold Canadian citizenship.  Many people who become wealthy in China, want to secure their wealth so the Communist party cannot grab it;  so they invest it in real estate in Vancouver BC or other major cities in Canada.  This has driven the price of real estate upward until it is out of reach of ordinary Canadians.  This is all part of the unthinking politician's multicultural ideology, but without protecting Canadians from the consequences of doling out citizenship to anyone and allowing anyone in the world to buy real estate in Canada.  Real estate particularly in Vancouver, BC and other major cities has become a kind of security and investment holding for many Asians, many of whom don't even live in Canada.  They know it is a very good investment, safe, and the Communists in their own country cannot touch it.

Canada is also under constant political pressure from the Chinese disapora in Canada, which is huge, to treat China with kids gloves even though the Communist Party is very brutal with the Uiygurs and anyone else who questions anything or steps out of line.  China is Canada's second largest trading partner.  One must wonder how this could happen considering the lack of human rights in China.  But the huge demographic in Canada also led to a Liberal minister of Defence to attend the 70th anniversary of the Communist revolution, a dinner put on in Vancouver by the benevolent society.  Canada's government is very mixed up and multiculturalism is one possible cause.

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12 minutes ago, blackbird said:

 

Just one for example.  Vancouver BC is now 28.8% Chinese and Richmond, BC is over 50% Chinese.  Nothing wrong with most Chinese people.  They are quite cordial and friendly.  The problem in the greater Vancouver area is the cost of real estate for ordinary Canadians is out of sight.   

Multiculturalism didn't cause the real estate boom.

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12 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I think people should be free to wear religious garments, and it shouldn't be imposed by the state to wear or not wear anything.

Tricky issue.

1.  I agree, people should be free to wear whatever clothing they want.

2. What if, as a woman, that clothing is forced upon you by the men in your family because your family belongs to a very misogynistic ideological system run by abusive fathers and husbands and they order you not to leave the house without your face being covered, and tell you that you can't shake hands with any male outside the family?

Rights vs values.

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1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

Multiculturalism didn't cause the real estate boom.

But the feds and province allowing foreigners and people who live in China and Hong Kong to buy it did help drive the price up and caused a shortage in major cities like Vancouver.  As part of the feds multicultural policy they give Canada's valuable real estate away to people in Hong Kong or China who are only using it to make money or secure their investment.  The influences from the Chinese disapora in politics in Canada is huge.

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