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Will Multiculturalism be Canada's Achilles Heel (Downfall)?


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56 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I wonder how they'd feel about their decedent's unwavering subservience to Royalty today?  Let me guess, being pressed was a step up and they were grateful for the opportunity?

actually, my ancestor jumped ship upon arrival at Halifax harbour in 1757

declined to fight in the Seven Years War as ordered

he didn't have unwavering subservience to royalty, he kept his options open

as do I

it's not an absolute monarchy

if the Crown does not defend me, defend my rights, defend my property

if the Crown does not defend & uphold my fundamental beliefs

then I have no fealty to said Crown

inalienable rights endowed by God himself

Declaration of Independence, as necessary

we Scots Irish Protestants after all

overthrew the British Crown, thrice

Charles I

James II

George III

yeehaw

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22 hours ago, eyeball said:

I was one of those kids on TV singing and waving Confederation flags back in 1967, they flew us to Ottawa to meet politicians and everything, and I certainly remember feeling pretty nationalistic but it didn't last, like religion it just withered in the face of reality and where my heart and head took me.  One of the reasons I feel suspicious about nationalism is seeing how nationalistic some of my First Nations friends can be.  I mean I get it and see how feeling it is such an important step for these folks but I'd rather get nationalistic about our planet and species myself. That's something I could get behind.

Anyone else see that story about the asteroid we nailed with a DART in hopes of learning how to protect our planet? 

I think there's a happy medium between ashamed self-hatred or apathy/indifference vs blind chauvinist hyper-nationalism.  I think it's healthy for people to know something about their own country.  Knowing about it doesn't mean glossing over the bad stuff.

And glad to know you aren't crazy.  I know that you aren't one of the wackos.

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On 10/2/2022 at 11:36 AM, Dougie93 said:

they are ethnonationalists tho

like I dated a Mohawk girl, and she was a Maracle, Mohawk royalty

she was stunningly beautiful, she was highly educated, an activist

but I couldn't be her boyfriend for more than a May September romance in Toronto

because the Mohawks would never accept me as a suitor for one of their women

just like the ethnonationalist Quebecois,

the Indians simply do not want to submit to the globalized Anglo-American culture

je me souviens

Regarding the Mohawks: True.

However, it is important to understand that they do it in a context of being afraid to lose the control of the very little control they have in what is left of land for them. So I understand them, their concerns. They should have their own control of who is natives and who is not, it would clear off their fears.

Regarding the Québécois: False.

Someone born in Africa with a very black skin can become a Québécois at 100% and recognized as one of them by the others. You can ask to many immigrants that adopted Québec and Québec adopted them in return.

You are confusing with the differences English Canada has with Québec.

By the way, I do not know where you took that Hymne, I never heard of it. Before the creation of the recent canadian anthem, the english used the God Save the Queen and the french used Vive la Canadienne. Because of course, at that time, the english identified themselves as British of North Americans, while the french rather identified themselves as the true Canadiens. As time passed by, the english adopted the name Canadian and the french got rid of it to adopt Québécois instead. Today, the kids and the young adults do not know that song.

 

The Royal 22e Régiment is still using musical version.

 

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Some people are confused regarding Multiculturalism. It is a political doctrine.

It consists of having individuals identifying themselves to a foreign nation only, the one of their origin. That would justify them to be treated differently from the others and having their own set of rules, coming from those external nations. As oppose to pluriculturalism, where people can identify to more than one nation, including the one they are living in.

The french and the natives do not rely on foreign nations to defined themselves. They co founded this country with the english canadians. They are not immigrants bringing their foreign national values. The french do not try to recreate France within the Canadian borders.

Multiculturalism leads to many non-sence rules and exceptions to fondamental rules. Such as having an Islamic trial in Ontario, allowing Sihks to drive motorcycles without helmets, allowing Sihks to bring weapons at school, etc... well, for my nation's perspective, it is non sense. You guys are more divided on that topic than we are. Except that on your side of the fence, the pro Multiculturalism are in higher number.

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On 10/2/2022 at 12:17 PM, eyeball said:

I compare our country's actions to the nearly 2000 year old moral basis (do unto others yadda yadda) we were using for our laws at the time. We knew better but acted like assholes anyway.

Now how many nations of that time acted better than we did? How many acted way, way worse?

On 10/2/2022 at 12:17 PM, eyeball said:

In any case I'm proud of the fact that Canadians today (some of us at least) are willing to tackle such an immense issue and do right by it.  Better late than never and certainly better than adding another blemish, which is make excuses for not doing anything.

Anyone who feels guilty over something they haven't done and wants to apologize for it to people who didn't even suffer the harm or damage is a fool.

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On 10/2/2022 at 12:25 PM, eyeball said:

I don't know, I'm a lefty who built a retirement business and now I'm kicking back on a income just shy of 6 figures. Thank Christ I didn't pin my retirement on the stock market.  Who's dumb-ass idea was that?

The problem with conservatives is their absolutist conclusions about lefties.

Everyone makes absolutist statements about the other guy - like you just did. Does it really have to be acknowledged that you accept that not every single member of the group lives up (or down) to the standard?

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4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Now how many nations of that time acted better than we did? How many acted way, way worse?

I have no idea and we're not liable for other countries institution's.

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Anyone who feels guilty over something they haven't done and wants to apologize for it to people who didn't even suffer the harm or damage is a fool.

Makes sense to me and it doesn't change the fact we're still liable for the things our institutions did.

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4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Everyone makes absolutist statements about the other guy - like you just did. Does it really have to be acknowledged that you accept that not every single member of the group lives up (or down) to the standard?

Not for me.  How about you?  

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10 hours ago, eyeball said:

I have no idea and we're not liable for other countries institution's.

It puts the behaviour of what Great Britain and Canada did into the proper context.

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

Makes sense to me and it doesn't change the fact we're still liable for the things our institutions did.

We mostly didn't have any institutions. Which is why we asked the churches to run schools. The number of people working for the state back then was a tiny fraction of what there is today. We didn't even have income tax back then to support many government services.

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3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

It puts the behaviour of what Great Britain and Canada did into the proper context.

No, the proper context was provided by our knowledge that doing unto others as we'd have done to us was the only appropriate course to follow.

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

We mostly didn't have any institutions. Which is why we asked the churches to run schools. The number of people working for the state back then was a tiny fraction of what there is today. We didn't even have income tax back then to support many government services.

So what? This excuse doesn't change anything either.

Are empty excuses really how you'd have other's treat injustices done to you?

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16 hours ago, eyeball said:

 we're still liable for the things our institutions did.

We are liable for nothing done back in history by previous governments.   If we were, how far back do you want to go?  How about the Inquisition in the middle ages?  Should the Catholic Church be forced to pay compensation to all the descendants of the victims of the Holy Roman Inquisition.  More recently what about the wars in the 20th century?   Should the descendants of the soldiers who fought in WW2 receive compensation from Germany today?  I think you get the point.  The idea of liability does not apply to historic events which people today had nothing to do with but which some activists want to claim compensation for.  Activists constantly claim "inter-generational trauma", the phoniest excuse imaginable.  Everyone has suffered trauma in their lives of one kind or another.  Just get over it and move on.  Don't expect to live off other people or get rich on it.

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What is Multiculturalism? This is Multiculturalism:

https://www.qub.ca/article/une-enfant-sacrifiee-au-nom-du-multiculturalisme-1082322020?utm_medium=cxense#cxrecs_s

 

Raped and tortured by her own family because she refused to wear the hijab. A canadian juge decided to deny her the help she was asking for because he considered the violence is normal in a muslim family, and therefore, the justice system should comply to that religion and culture.

How could you even think this is acceptable?

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3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Are empty excuses really how you'd have other's treat injustices done to you?

Canadians don't do anything about injustices done to anybody

it's an entirely passive society, nobody is going to do anything for us

18 hours ago, eyeball said:

Makes sense to me and it doesn't change the fact we're still liable for the things our institutions did.

if those institutions committed Crimes Against Humanity, then they must be annihilated and replaced

not a single Institution of the Third Reich was permitted to survive

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2 hours ago, blackbird said:

We are liable for nothing done back in history by previous governments. 

it's not governments

what is being invoked is racial guilt

literally the doctrine of the National Socialists

Canadians are simply too ignorant of history to notice that they have invoked it

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4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

it's not governments

what is being invoked is racial guilt

literally the doctrine of the National Socialists

Canadians are simply too ignorant of history to notice that they have invoked it

When a majority race invokes racial blame upon a minority race it is called Nazism.  When a majority race invokes racial blame upon themselves (self-hatred) or the majority race invokes racial blame upon a majority race it is called leftism.

Maybe the majority race will hate themselves so much they will commit genocide against themselves, and the minority races will join in.    But this would never happen...

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1 minute ago, Moonlight Graham said:

1. When a majority race invokes racial blame upon a minority race it is called Nazism. 

2. When a majority race invokes racial blame upon themselves (self-hatred) or the majority race invokes racial blame upon a majority race it is called leftism.

3. Maybe the majority race will hate themselves so much they will commit genocide against themselves, and the minority races will join in.    But this would never happen...

1. Mmmm... not really.  'Racism' maybe is a better term here.  Naziism is one particular thing.
2. No.  No way.  This is a modern abuse of the term 'leftism' which amputates the original meaning.  Leftism was a thing 60 years ago, trans rights were not.
3. Nobody hates themselves...

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4 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

When a majority race invokes racial blame upon a minority race it is called Nazism.  When a majority race invokes racial blame upon themselves (self-hatred) or the majority race invokes racial blame upon a majority race it is called leftism.

Maybe the majority race will hate themselves so much they will commit genocide against themselves, and the minority races will join in.    But this would never happen...

when the economy implodes into a crisis

and millions of Canadians are financially wiped out

this racial guilt doctrine now entrenched, will turn suddenly in the opposite direction

self hatred will become revanchism

Anomie:  the urge to destroy the other is the urge to destroy oneself

National Socialism incarnate

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3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Mmmm... not really.  'Racism' maybe is a better term here.  Naziism is one particular thing.
2. No.  No way.  This is a modern abuse of the term 'leftism' which amputates the original meaning.  Leftism was a thing 60 years ago, trans rights were not.
3. Nobody hates themselves...

1.  Let's be more specific though, let's call it...the far-right?  I dunno the exact label, but it's something bad, and the opposite of the far-left, which is also bad, but for which there is more sympathy, because hating the more powerful will always be more vogue than hating the less powerful.

2.  The issues change, the ideology remains the same.  Left-wing ideology did not start 60 years ago, Marx was a leftist, so was Lenin, and Jesus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics

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Left-wing politics describes the range of political ideologies that support and seek to achieve social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy.[1][2][3][4] Left-wing politics typically involve a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished.

3. Are you sure?

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4 hours ago, Benz said:

What is Multiculturalism? This is Multiculturalism:

https://www.qub.ca/article/une-enfant-sacrifiee-au-nom-du-multiculturalisme-1082322020?utm_medium=cxense#cxrecs_s

 

Raped and tortured by her own family because she refused to wear the hijab. A canadian juge decided to deny her the help she was asking for because he considered the violence is normal in a muslim family, and therefore, the justice system should comply to that religion and culture.

How could you even think this is acceptable?

That's a legal issue though.  Culture should not be an excuse to break the law.

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1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

 3. Are you sure?

3.  I *think* so ?  I mean 'hates' .... 'HATES' themselves ?  I just think it's too much of a paradox for people to hate themselves, because if they did then they would hate the self-hatred and therefore love themselves but...

 

uh...

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