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Will Multiculturalism be Canada's Achilles Heel (Downfall)?


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1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

The problem with people highlighting our 'blemishes' is they never admit to context and they never extend their judgement to the rest of the world at the same time. They compare how Canada acted hundreds of years ago to how they believe people ought to act TODAY.

I compare our country's actions to the nearly 2000 year old moral basis (do unto others yadda yadda) we were using for our laws at the time. We knew better but acted like assholes anyway.

In any case I'm proud of the fact that Canadians today (some of us at least) are willing to tackle such an immense issue and do right by it.  Better late than never and certainly better than adding another blemish, which is make excuses for not doing anything.

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2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

The problem with progressives is they have all kinds of giddy ideas but mostly they don't work. Also, while they can build things they can't run them.

I don't know, I'm a lefty who built a retirement business and now I'm kicking back on a income just shy of 6 figures. Thank Christ I didn't pin my retirement on the stock market.  Who's dumb-ass idea was that?

The problem with conservatives is their absolutist conclusions about lefties.

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11 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Thank Christ I didn't pin my retirement on the stock market.  Who's dumb-ass idea was that?

it's all about arbitrage

you just have to cash out and take your profits

you buy AAPL on 15 April 2011 at $11 a share

then sell it on 7 August 2020 for $111 a share

1000% return

 

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1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

it's all about arbitrage

you just have to cash out and take your profits

you buy AAPL on 15 April 2011 at $11 a share

then sell it on 7 August 2020 for $111 a share

1000% return

 

Yup, it's all about doing whatever works best for you.

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1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Yup, it's all about doing whatever works best for you.

well obviously don't go all in on the stock market

you go long dividend paying equities, and short by arbitrage at the same time

you obviously want to hold real estate by location, location, location

hedge your purchasing power with gold, fine art, fine wine, etc

then in an inflationary environment at the end of the easing cycle

 switch to investing in what people have to buy rather than what they want to buy

energy, food, shelter

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31 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

well obviously don't go all in on the stock market

you go long dividend paying equities, and short by arbitrage at the same time

you obviously want to hold real estate by location, location, location

hedge your purchasing power with gold, fine art, fine wine, etc

then in an inflationary environment at the end of the easing cycle

 switch to investing in what people have to buy rather than what they want to buy

energy, food, shelter

Bingo!

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1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

you'll need more than a garden to make profit

but fish farming could be very lucrative

I guess it depends on what you mean by SHTF. I thought you meant the collapse of civilization. Profit will mean something entirely different in that case...survival for example.

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9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I guess it depends on what you mean by SHTF. I thought you meant the collapse of civilization. Profit will mean something entirely different in that case...survival for example.

civilizational collapse in the sense of the end of the Pax Americana and associated postwar liberal order

1914 was the last civilization collapse

the sun came up again in 1919, but it was a totally different civilization

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5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

civilizational collapse in the sense of the end of the Pax Americana and associated postwar liberal order

Oh, I mean something more like the collapse of Rome and a centuries long interregnum.

The death of billions and back to nature sorta thing.

You're describing a shift in the breeze.

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4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Oh, I mean something more like the collapse of Rome and a centuries long interregnum.

The death of billions and back to nature sorta thing.

You're describing a shift in the breeze.

Rome didn't collapse overnight

Byzantium carried on in the East

but even in the West, Rome was retaken from the Germans, as late as 545 A.D. by Justinian in the Gothic Wars

in terms of the death of billions

we remain on the brink of that at all times

15 minutes notice to launch on warning, hair trigger alert

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21 hours ago, eyeball said:

You regressives are so full of yourselves you can't seem to help but project your own self-pride onto Canada's history and institutions. You take any national blemish personally and make it more personal by pointing at lefties and blaming them for highlighting them.

Conservatives are the two steps back for every three steps forward our species has attained since progressives led the way down from the trees.  To bad we didn't just leave the lot of you up there.  Too bleeding hearted for our own good even then I suppose. 

I don't label myself as "conservative", even if some of my views are conservative.  I'm not on a "team" and therefore don't have to defend the regressives.

Progressives are destroying this country through their own self-hatred and guilt.  If you take this personally i don't apologize, you need to own this failure. Thanks to leftwing governments I didn't learn too much about the history or political systems of this country by the time i graduated high school and had to later educate myself.  Prove me wrong by naming Canada's 2nd Prime Minister without looking it up.  I'm sure the # of people on this forum who can answer this question is zero or close to it.

How many Canadians know the significance of the Statue of Westminster 1931, or the Royal Proclamation of 1763?

Also, i don't take criticism of Canada personally, the Canadian government has obviously made many mistakes like any country, but i'm not ashamed of our country or our history in general.  I'm not going to call myself a Canadian and hang my head, I'm proud to live in this country.  Some on the left even want to cancel Canada Day, they are fools.

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12 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Canada is ruled by the British Crown

there is no such thing as the Canadian Crown

thus why it is always referred to as the Crown of Canada or simply the Crown

Not true, you're just making up your own history and law. The "Canadian Crown" is referred to in all of these links

https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/services/crown-canada.html

https://www.gg.ca/en/crown

https://iscc-iecc.ca/

https://www.mqup.ca/evolving-canadian-crown--the-products-9781553392026.php

https://www.monarchist.ca/index.php

The Canadian Crown is a completely separate legal entity to the British Crown and Canada is it's own independent, sovereign, and distinct kingdom with zero legal ties to the UK or British Crown and on equal legal footing, it's not a subsidiary:

"Canada has been a monarchy for centuries - first under the kings of France in the sixteenth, seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, then under the British Crown in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, and now as a kingdom in her own right."

"The Statute of Westminster in 1931, an act of the British Parliament, gave legal form to this declaration. It gave Canada and other Dominions the authority to make their own laws. One of the key features of the Statute of Westminster of 1931 was the separation the Crowns. As a consequence, the Crown of Canada – separate and distinct from that of the United Kingdom and the other Dominions – was defined in statute."

"As already referenced, The Dominion of Canada was created in 1867 with the passage of the British North America Act, 1867. As a consequence, Canada became the first dominion of the then British Empire. Canada’s evolution into full independence / nationhood was undertaken peacefully and over time with key moments being defined by the Battle of Vimy Ridge (1917), the Imperial Conference of 1926, the Statute of Westminster, 1931 and the patriation of the Constitution in 1982."

https://www.royal.uk/canada

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9 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

it wasn't military technology that doomed them

in a head to head fight, the Indians could match the British & French

once the Indians had guns & horses, they were a military force to be reckoned with

the Indians were like Special Forces are now, they could run circles around conventional troops

what doomed the Indians, was actually farming

the Indian hunter gatherer trader economy simply could not compete with European agrarian power

Or cope with disease early on.  The population of indigenous peoples in Canada today is higher than it was estimated pre-Columbus.

A lot of Aboriginals and Europeans got along well in early Canadian history.  Indigenous helped early French explorers/settlers survive the winter.  They were close partners in the fur trade etc.

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/fur-trade

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9 hours ago, I am Groot said:

There were many things which doomed them. The most important of which were animals. They didn't have the right ones here. Without horses, cattle, oxen or sheep the natives were doomed to remain hunter-gatherers and basic, hand-to-mouth agrarians without the free time to develop technological and scientific specialists.

Once the Europeans landed they brought the animals with them. But they also brought the diseases they themselves were infested with due to their close working relationship with animals; pigs, ducks, horses, cattle, oxen, sheep etc. The natives had developed no immunity to those diseases and died by the tens of thousands. 

Yes, Canadian indigenous didn't have any domesticated animals they could use for transportation or livestock.  They mostly traveled by water.

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9 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

the Indians survived those diseases

the Indian population is the fastest growing in Canada

it's not smallpox which is holding them back

they simply don't have economic power, having been dislocated off their lands, by farming on an industrial scale

Yes, indigenous also didn't have an alphabet/literacy pre-Columbus, and many still live in isolated rural communities.  Imagine putting illiterate European settlers in the middle of rural nowhere, away from cities, services, and industry?  They also would remain very poor and live like hillbillies.  Then add intergenerational trauma of disrupting their way of life/culture and kidnapping their kids to put in residential schools.

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9 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

they are ethnonationalists tho

like I dated a Mohawk girl, and she was a Maracle, Mohawk royalty

she was stunningly beautiful, she was highly educated, an activist

but I couldn't be her boyfriend for more than a May September romance in Toronto

because the Mohawks would never accept me as a suitor for one of their women

just like the ethnonationalist Quebecois,

the Indians simply do not want to submit to the globalized Anglo-American culture

je me souviens

I think that's fine if they choose that, and I understand it.  But also know that if they wish to remain isolated and rural with traditional economies without much industry then they'll likely remain poor like they did pre-Columbus.

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1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Progressives are destroying this country through their own self-hatred and guilt.  If you take this personally i don't apologize, you need to own this failure.

I don't feel the least bit guilty and nor do I hate myself.  However I do own the Canadian institutions who failed indigenous people and us by being complete assholes in their handling of things.  Funny how believing that makes us accountable seems to make me like a traitor to some people.

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Thanks to leftwing governments I didn't learn too much about the history or political systems of this country by the time i graduated high school and had to later educate myself.

I never heard a thing about residential schools until I dropped out and came out west and settled next door to a 'reserve'.  

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Prove me wrong by naming Canada's 2nd Prime Minister without looking it up.  I'm sure the # of people on this forum who can answer this question is zero or close to it.

How many Canadians know the significance of the Statue of Westminster 1931, or the Royal Proclamation of 1763?

I guess I dropped out too early but that doesn't mean I didn't learn anything important about where I live and why it was just as important as what they did teach me.

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Also, i don't take criticism of Canada personally, the Canadian government has obviously made many mistakes like any country, but i'm not ashamed of our country or our history in general.  I'm not going to call myself a Canadian and hang my head, I'm proud to live in this country.

I'm pretty meh about it all really.  I thought Billy Bishop was pretty cool though.

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Some on the left even want to cancel Canada Day, they are fools.

It's just a phase - it'll pass.  I'm certainly not one of them I have more interesting things to do.

I was one of those kids on TV singing and waving Confederation flags back in 1967, they flew us to Ottawa to meet politicians and everything, and I certainly remember feeling pretty nationalistic but it didn't last, like religion it just withered in the face of reality and where my heart and head took me.  One of the reasons I feel suspicious about nationalism is seeing how nationalistic some of my First Nations friends can be.  I mean I get it and see how feeling it is such an important step for these folks but I'd rather get nationalistic about our planet and species myself. That's something I could get behind.

Anyone else see that story about the asteroid we nailed with a DART in hopes of learning how to protect our planet? 

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10 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I think that's fine if they choose that, and I understand it.  But also know that if they wish to remain isolated and rural with traditional economies without much industry then they'll likely remain poor like they did pre-Columbus.

I am not the paternalistic keeper of the Indians

I am not a collectivist nanny statist

my ancestor did not come here to steal their lands

my ancestor didn't even come here willingly

he was press ganged at Liverpool and forced to come to Canada, by the Royal Navy

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I as out early this morning for a day late birthday breakfast and with transit school cluster at my station I noticed a Caucasian student. That is 1 out of about 65.

Anybody watching would have assumed I was in India or the death cult middle east.

We will pay.

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11 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

My ancestor didn't even come here willingly

he was press ganged at Liverpool and forced to come to Canada, by the Royal Navy

I wonder how they'd feel about their decedent's unwavering subservience to Royalty today?  Let me guess, being pressed was a step up and they were grateful for the opportunity?

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