Will Multiculturalism be Canada's Achilles Heel (Downfall)?

[Dougie93]

10 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Frankly I don't really understand what exactly you believe in.  You pledge loyalty to the British Crown but also are an American with allegiance to that republic. 

ah, but when I was growing up, we lived in the wake of the Second World War

wherein the Americans came to the aid of Britain to include Canada, in the darkest hour

forming an alliance, called the United Kingdom United States Security Agreement

there was no conflict of loyalty, Canadians embraced American freedom as part of the free world

we Canadian soldiers reported up a chain of command to the American SACEUR & CinC NORAD

Canada has simply changed, Canada no longer embraces the ideologies of the free world

Canada no longer defends American freedom

Canada no longer defends even Canadian freedom

the government invoking Section One of the Charter to suspend all of our rights after

the government invoking "hate speech" laws to silence dissent

the government declaring that any whom oppose them has "intolerable unacceptable views"

the government allowing Quebec to violate the Charter rights of Canadians with impunity

the government blatantly persecuting Christians & Jews, inciting hatred against them

the government directing the Bank of Canada to debase the currency into an inflationary crisis

the government dismantling its own military, purging any in the chain of command who oppose it

the government kowtowing shamelessly to the Chinese Communists in Beijing

the government allowing the Prime Minister & his cronies to commit crimes without accountability

the government denying freedom of movement, between Provinces & at the international border

the government at the same time declaring an open border, inviting illegal immigrants to stream in

the government enacting racial segregation & preference as a policy

the government seizing firearms of the law abiding, while encouraging criminal gangs to use them

the government invoking martial law under false pretenses

the government ordering the police to arrest peaceful protesting Canadians on false charges

the government seizing private property without court order

the list of Canadian abridgements of its own constitution goes on & on

the Canada Act 1982 promised to bring us into alignment with American freedoms

instead, it is employed as a weapon to impose tyranny in Canada

the Crown has gone so far as to summarily convict Canada of the crime of "genocide"

no trial, no evidence, just a declaration that Canada has committed Crimes Against Humanity

the Crown has declared its own Colours, Maple Leaf & Red Ensign, to be "symbols of hate"

as if Canada was Nazi Germany, and our flags are the Swastika

that is literally insane

Canada has even declared that the Americans are attempting to overthrow the Crown

that is also insane

declaring a war against the Americans which Canada will lose, very badly

Canada has gone off the rails into a lunatic asylum, our governments behaving like the Bolsheviks

I can't feel any allegiance to a Crown which has clearly descended into self destructive madness

the government officials are in egregious violation of their own solemn oaths to the Crown

I am not bound to follow these openly disloyal lunatics into a catastrophe

if King Charles III will not step in to put a stop to this madness

then he is a fool, inviting himself to be overthrown like his ancestor George III

it's not an absolute monarchy

if the monarch fails to defend the right as he is forsworn to do

then his Crown is forfeit, even under British law

dating back to the Magna Carta 1215 & Bill of Rights 1689

the British revolted against their own monarch, seven times, before the Americans ever did

the Parliament of Canada was in fact founded, in a Glorious Revolution against James II

Edited October 1, 2022 by Dougie93

[I am Groot]

16 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Canadian nationalism is low. 

It's hard to tell given the way progressives control education, academia and the media. Nationalism will never be reflected at any of these institutions because progressive are anti-patriots. I concede it might be low, though since progressives in these institutions have spent the last generation telling us how terrible Canada and all its history are.

16 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The gov should push the Canadian national identity, but they do the opposite because they are dumb idealist socialists.

The Liberals actually set out to destroy English Canada's national identity, starting with Trudeau's father. They deliberately removed every vestige of or connection to our historic roots, institutions and culture. They did this in hopes French Canadians would feel more comfortable without any connection to the British Isles. They failed in that since Quebecers generally don't feel any connection to or interest in Canada anyway. They are actually a separate people and country in all but name.

[Moonbox]

22 hours ago, I am Groot said:

You haven't done a single thing to show I'm wrong, Ben. Nor can you.

That's the thing about fools.  They never know it's them.  

22 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I'm unaware of any major body or group or even any important cleric who is off side with the common, everyday, mainstream interpretation of Islamic law. And again, Ben, you haven't done a thing to show me wrong.

I just gave you an entire country, clown - the most populous one of all.  In your little pea-brain, however, there's only one "Islam", and you're just a more or less observant Muslim, whatever that even means.  Forget the Sunni/Shia schism, or the dozens of different sects and theologies that all exist in different places.  There's just the "mainstream version" or something...yup!   

Edited October 1, 2022 by Moonbox

[I am Groot]

44 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

That's the thing about fools.  They never know it's them.  

I'm afraid, Ben, that we've reached the point where I feel any hope of productive (or even interesting) discussion with you is beyond your present level of maturity, intellect, and emotional limitations.

You have a good life now.

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

I'm afraid, Ben, that we've reached the point where I feel any hope of productive (or even interesting) discussion with you is beyond your present level of maturity, intellect, and emotional limitations.

and just more limp projection from you.  Funny thing is that this was never at any point a productive discussion.  You started from a point of comical ignorance and just repeated the same nonsense in different ways, demanding evidence for self-evident facts you couldn't accept that were quickly and easily provided.  

The only intelligent thing you said this entire thread was, "I'm unaware of..." and you probably should have stopped there.  Everything else you said just fortified your obvious lack of knowledge...and this cringey obsession with "Ben" that you've repeated dozens of times. ? 

[Moonlight Graham]

13 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

that is not the case in Canada

the Quebecois have no allegiance to the British Crown

yet they are not with the Americans neither

the immigrants who come here don't care for the British Crown neither

yet they obtain citizenship quite easily

Immigrants need to swear an oath of allegiance to the Queen of Canada and her heirs and successors.  If they lie and break the oath, which is an oral legal contract, they can have their citizenship stripped (breach of contract).

But of course Trudeau thinks "a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian" and won't even strip oath-breakers who commit acts of terrorism (treason) against the Queen's realm because he's a globalist coward.

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I would actually say that we Americans defend the British Crown

far more than the vast majority of Canadians do

 

The British Crown has no authority on North American soil.  You're talking about the Canadian Crown.  A different legal entity.

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Immigrants need to swear an oath of allegiance to the Queen of Canada and her heirs and successors.

native born Canadians are not required to, so irrelevant in my case

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The British Crown has no authority on North American soil.  You're talking about the Canadian Crown.  A different legal entity.

there is only one Crown, at Buckingham Palace

you're just desperate to fabricate some national identity for yourself

because Canada doesn't actually have one

 

[Moonlight Graham]

10 hours ago, I am Groot said:

It's hard to tell given the way progressives control education, academia and the media. Nationalism will never be reflected at any of these institutions because progressive are anti-patriots. I concede it might be low, though since progressives in these institutions have spent the last generation telling us how terrible Canada and all its history are.

Yes progressives only see the bad "oppressive" aspects of Canadian history and are generally ashamed of our history and too guilt-ridden to celebrate it with much enthusiasm, if at all.  They are short-sighted, cowardly, weak, and self-hating losers incapable of defending themselves.  Darwinism will relegate them to the dustbin of history in due time, which they're doing to Canada itself as well.

[Moonlight Graham]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

there is only one Crown, at Buckingham Palace

you're just desperate to fabricate some national identity for yourself

because Canada doesn't actually have one

 

In terms of the law, you're incorrect.  I'm citing the law and our constitution.

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

In terms of the law, you're incorrect.  I'm citing the law and our constitution.

King Charles III is your monarch in the constitution

pretty sure he's British

since you reject that your are British

you are ruled by a foreigner therein 

[Dougie93]

23 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

But of course Trudeau thinks "a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian" and won't even strip oath-breakers who commit acts of terrorism (treason) against the Queen's realm because he's a globalist coward.

whatever, there is no Canadian national identity and there never was

India joined the British Empire the same day as Canada did, 10 February 1763

so some Pakistani who fell off the cabbage boat and got handed a passport, is just as Canadian as you are

if you want to pretend otherwise, knock yourself out, but you're just denying reality therein /shrugs

[Moonlight Graham]

56 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

King Charles III is your monarch in the constitution

pretty sure he's British

since you reject that your are British

you are ruled by a foreigner therein 

He's also a Canadian citizen.

[Aristides]

20 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

He's also a Canadian citizen.

Because he is a monarch he is not a citizen of anywhere, a monarch just has subjects.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Yes progressives only see the bad "oppressive" aspects of Canadian history and are generally ashamed of our history and too guilt-ridden to celebrate it with much enthusiasm, if at all.  They are short-sighted, cowardly, weak, and self-hating losers incapable of defending themselves.

You regressives are so full of yourselves you can't seem to help but project your own self-pride onto Canada's history and institutions. You take any national blemish personally and make it more personal by pointing at lefties and blaming them for highlighting them.

Conservatives are the two steps back for every three steps forward our species has attained since progressives led the way down from the trees.  To bad we didn't just leave the lot of you up there.  Too bleeding hearted for our own good even then I suppose. 

[Dougie93]

9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

He's also a Canadian citizen.

he's not actually, the monarch does not have dual citizenship

Canada is ruled by the British Crown

there is no such thing as the Canadian Crown

thus why it is always referred to as the Crown of Canada or simply the Crown

[I am Groot]

11 hours ago, eyeball said:

You take any national blemish personally and make it more personal by pointing at lefties and blaming them for highlighting them.

 

The problem with people highlighting our 'blemishes' is they never admit to context and they never extend their judgement to the rest of the world at the same time. They compare how Canada acted hundreds of years ago to how they believe people ought to act TODAY. But in their intense condemnation of everything related to Canada's history they ignore reality. Every country, every people, every tribe, every nation, every kingdom or empire took what they had the strength to take from those weaker than them all through history. The actions of the British here were far more humane than what natives did to victims of their conquest. The natives either killed them all outright or drove them off. They certainly didn't invite them to share in the riches of the land.

The natives were doomed to be conquered and colonized because they were not capable of ever advancing to the level of a technological civilization that could withstand attack. They should be thankful it was the French who took their territory and not the Spanish or Dutch.

 

11 hours ago, eyeball said:

Conservatives are the two steps back for every three steps forward our species has attained since progressives led the way down from the trees.  To bad we didn't just leave the lot of you up there.  Too bleeding hearted for our own good even then I suppose. 

The problem with progressives is they have all kinds of giddy ideas but mostly they don't work. Also, while they can build things they can't run them. 

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

 They should be thankful it was the French who took their territory

the House of Bourbon never actually controlled the territory of Nouvelle France

the Indians could have wiped them out at any moment

what the French did however, was present the Indians with the story of Jesus Christ

then the Indians embraced Christianity and rallied around the French as allies

[Dougie93]

11 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

 The natives either killed them all outright or drove them off. They certainly didn't invite them to share in the riches of the land.

what happened was that the French allied Huron had become Europeanized in effect

they had embraced Christianity & French European culture

their chief rivals, the Iroquois however, had not

the Iroquois rejected the Europeanization, they remained the fierce warriors they had always been

so in 1649, the Iroquois effectively wiped the Huron out, in a massacre

[Dougie93]

29 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

 The actions of the British here were far more humane than what natives did to victims of their conquest.

the British don't become embroiled in Canada until the Seven Years War

Major George Washington attacks Nouvelle France at Jumonville Glen on 28 May 1754

this incited an Anglo-French global war

in the war, the British recruited the Iroquois to fight against the French

after the war, the British were protecting their valuable Iroquois military allies in the Ohio valley

the British decreed that their American colonists could not settle in Ohio, to maintain the alliance

and this is what set the wheels in motion to the War of Independence

the Americans colonists would go West, and nothing would stop them, not even the King

Edited October 2, 2022 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

40 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

 

The natives were doomed to be conquered and colonized because they were not capable of ever advancing to the level of a technological civilization that could withstand attack.

it wasn't military technology that doomed them

in a head to head fight, the Indians could match the British & French

once the Indians had guns & horses, they were a military force to be reckoned with

the Indians were like Special Forces are now, they could run circles around conventional troops

what doomed the Indians, was actually farming

the Indian hunter gatherer trader economy simply could not compete with European agrarian power

[I am Groot]

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

it wasn't military technology that doomed them

in a head to head fight, the Indians could match the British & French

once the Indians had guns & horses, they were a military force to be reckoned with

the Indians were like Special Forces are now, they could run circles around conventional troops

what doomed the Indians, was actually farming

the Indian hunter gatherer trader economy simply could not compete with European agrarian power

There were many things which doomed them. The most important of which were animals. They didn't have the right ones here. Without horses, cattle, oxen or sheep the natives were doomed to remain hunter-gatherers and basic, hand-to-mouth agrarians without the free time to develop technological and scientific specialists.

Once the Europeans landed they brought the animals with them. But they also brought the diseases they themselves were infested with due to their close working relationship with animals; pigs, ducks, horses, cattle, oxen, sheep etc. The natives had developed no immunity to those diseases and died by the tens of thousands. 

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

 But they also brought the diseases

the Indians survived those diseases

the Indian population is the fastest growing in Canada

it's not smallpox which is holding them back

they simply don't have economic power, having been dislocated off their lands, by farming on an industrial scale

[I am Groot]

11 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the Indians survived those diseases

the Indian population is the fastest growing in Canada

it's not smallpox which is holding them back

they simply don't have economic power, having been dislocated off their lands, by farming on an industrial scale

The farming and other industries are what pay the bills for those who persist in living in the bushes where there is no work. Maybe they should do like everyone else has done and move to where the jobs are.

[Dougie93]

5 hours ago, I am Groot said:

The farming and other industries are what pay the bills for those who persist in living in the bushes where there is no work. Maybe they should do like everyone else has done and move to where the jobs are.

they are ethnonationalists tho

like I dated a Mohawk girl, and she was a Maracle, Mohawk royalty

she was stunningly beautiful, she was highly educated, an activist

but I couldn't be her boyfriend for more than a May September romance in Toronto

because the Mohawks would never accept me as a suitor for one of their women

just like the ethnonationalist Quebecois,

the Indians simply do not want to submit to the globalized Anglo-American culture

je me souviens

Edited October 2, 2022 by Dougie93