SHOCKER - Poilievre goes super-WOKE !

[Dougie93]

26 minutes ago, PIK said:

Tru, now people understand what Wynne meant by having a lean Healthcare system, she cut it. But the money does come from the Feds.

what emanates from the Feds is the Canada Healthcare Act

which prohibits any private healthcare at all by law

resulting in the classic shortages inherent to any Socialist system

bread lines

 

 

[Nefarious Banana]

2 hours ago, Jack9000 said:

for the first time I think he will be the next prime minister giving another 3 years before election the hatred for trudeau seems to be growing for the day. and i can understand not liking trudeau cause at times in the 7 years i have disliked him also.. but Pierre poilierve is not the solution.. its a shame none of the 3 partys have a good leader atm.

Hardner print that out for you?

Ever wonder if anyone believes anything you two post?

[ExFlyer]

15 hours ago, PIK said:

Tru, now people understand what Wynne meant by having a lean Healthcare system, she cut it. But the money does come from the Feds.

Some comes from the feds. Much comes from provincial taxes.

22% from feds, the rest from province. Provinces recently wanted the feds to up it to 35%

Edited October 2, 2022 by ExFlyer

[I am Groot]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

you think your word is the absolute truth ?

you post some typical Canadian knee jerk nanny state anti-Americanism and declare it unassailable

you simply demonstrate what delusional lunatics Canadians actually are

 

I haven't declared it unassailable. You did. By being unable to assail it.

Canada has very bad government. America has worse. 

[Dougie93]

28 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

 You did. By being unable to assail it.

no cause to debate you

you have no influence, so wouldn't bother

[Army Guy]

On 9/13/2022 at 10:50 PM, herbie said:

Reality: the evil Trudeau and Singh just announced a boost in GST rebates, the start of Dental care and housing benefit increases.

Which one(s) would you cut that will get you the support of a majority of Canadians?

Think real hard okay...

You make it sound like both those programs are critical to the country, where Dental care is only 650 a year, every been to the dentist with a teenager, 650 does not go as far as you'd like it, and the housing benefit, is a small portion you paid in HST, i get it every bit is good, but don't act as if they are the Lifes blood of the nation. 

So, Ya those would be a start, along with some others. maybe put those billions into health care would be a start. maybe some into our security apparatus, infra structure...I think the majority of Canadians are more concerned about waiting 12 hours in emergency, here in NB we have had 2 people already die waiting...now that beats the little savings from dental care.  

[Jack9000]

1 hour ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Hardner print that out for you?

Ever wonder if anyone believes anything you two post?

I know what I print is what I believe   couldn't careless if you or anyone else of the "far righters" on here do also.

[herbie]

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

You make it sound like both those programs are critical to the country, where Dental care is only 650 a year, every been to the dentist with a teenager, 650 does not go as far as you'd like it, and the housing benefit, is a small portion you paid in HST, i get it every bit is good, but don't act as if they are the Lifes blood of the nation. 

So you're gonna argue that it's not enough and the go on it should be put into health care which dental care is? Plus argue how we should've spent it on something else while arguing we shouldn't be spending at all?

doesn't even make sense.

[Dougie93]

11 hours ago, herbie said:

we shouldn't be spending at all?

not when the government has flooded the economy already with newly created dollars

the government spending, or fiscal stimulus,  has become counter productive

because it is simply causing inflation, bidding the prices of everything up

too many dollars chasing too little productivity

the working & middle classes are drowning in the inflationary spiral

the only thing which will stop it, is removing dollars from the economy

if the government doesn't stop dumping newly printed dollars into the economy,

there will be a catastrophic crisis

[Army Guy]

On 10/1/2022 at 11:42 PM, herbie said:

So you're gonna argue that it's not enough and the go on it should be put into health care which dental care is? Plus argue how we should've spent it on something else while arguing we shouldn't be spending at all?

doesn't even make sense.

I'm not arguing, i am stating a fact that 650.00 dollars is not going to make the change you think it is going to. And yes, that funding should be put in health care, which is desperately needed for all Canadians. most people working have dental care provided by their employer, or company insurance plan, so really, we are talking about a small minority of Canadians that need it and yet it cost billions to implement, billions that could be used in health care. 

We do not need any more expense social programs that divert money from other more important programs, such as health care. Unless you're of the opinion that Canadian health is perfect as it is now and dumping billions into would be a waste...and that these programs, childcare, and dental care, trump Health care. 

Just so i am clear, our health care is in shambles, before we go on a spend 10's of billions on new programs perhaps, we should fix the ones we already have...

[Michael Hardner]

On 10/1/2022 at 10:42 PM, herbie said:

So you're gonna argue that it's not enough ...

$650 is a lot for working people.  In context, I saw a report that said Toronto rents went UP $600/month on average in the past year.

Edited October 3, 2022 by Michael Hardner

[herbie]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

I'm not arguing, i am stating a fact that 650.00 dollars is not going to make the change you think it is going to. And yes, that funding should be put in health care, which is desperately needed for all Canadians. most people working have dental care provided by their employer, or company insurance plan, so really, we are talking about a small minority of Canadians that need it and yet it cost billions to implement, billions that could be used in health care. 

A small minority in your opinion that is anything but. There's a lot of working people with NO dental or extended medical and even unionized ones with barely more for coverage.
The 'employer pays anyway' is also a pretty damned American attitude (if you just got a decent job!) that is pretty weak.

You also state again "could be used in health care" when that's exactly what it is being put into. We've been lulled into thinking dental is something else when it wasn't included since Day One.
Do you really think needy people should suffer because there's some 'better' priority?
Do you really want to continue the Conservative line that "it's a good idea but we can't afford it at this time" knowing full well it's never going to be a good time because money will always be needed for something else like shitbox submarines and corporate tax cuts like their 'child care plan' from 30 years ago?

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

A small minority in your opinion that is anything but. There's a lot of working people with NO dental or extended medical and even unionized ones with barely more for coverage.
The 'employer pays anyway' is also a pretty damned American attitude (if you just got a decent job!) that is pretty weak.

You also state again "could be used in health care" when that's exactly what it is being put into. We've been lulled into thinking dental is something else when it wasn't included since Day One.
Do you really think needy people should suffer because there's some 'better' priority?

Do you really want to continue the Conservative line that "it's a good idea but we can't afford it at this time" knowing full well it's never going to be a good time because money will always be needed for something else like shitbox submarines and corporate tax cuts like their 'child care plan' from 30 years ago?

Approximately six million Canadians cannot afford dental care, out of a population of 37,000,000 you can do the math, it is a small group of people. 

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Not sure what getting a decent job even means, MacDonalds has a dental plan and that's minimum wage...

No, Dental care is not part of Health care as it stands right now, once again what is it you don't understand about, before we create any new social programs maybe we should fix the ones we got.  Or are you just collecting social programs.

Have you been to the dentist lately, the average cost of braces for a teenager is between 3 to 10 k, shit a filling can cost anywhere from 175 to 375 per tooth. Just how far do you think 650.00 yearly is going to go. 

If you cater to everyone wishes and needs the country would be bankrupt in weeks. That is the problem with the left they think money grows on trees. Today's liberals have spent more than any other government in our history when are we going to stop the bottom of the pit is almost here. 

And it is not a conservative line, it is basic money Mangement, do you spend more than you make, then why are we so comfortable with our government doing it. 

How long do you think it is going to take to whittle down this liberal deficit, 10 years, 50 years, or generations.

Let's be reminded it was the liberals that purchased those shitbox subs in order to save a few dollars, that decision cost the lives of Canadian service members, in a fire... so let's not throw around too much shit there is enough to go around for all sides.

 

[herbie]

3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Approximately six million Canadians cannot afford dental care, out of a population of 37,000,000 you can do the math, it is a small group of people. 

Yes, I was a math major.
1 out of 6 is not a small group. Six million is not a small group. How can you dismiss a figure like six million as insignificant in the overall picture?

What is it that you don't get - that this is a fix for an omission on Day One or the overall idea that social programs are the number one part of the budget that benefits your daily life.
You want spending cuts, then cut the spending on shit instead of things that help.

[Moonlight Graham]

On 9/28/2022 at 8:28 PM, Dougie93 said:

the Republican Party freed the slaves

brought the Gilded Age robber barons to heel

sent the troops in to defend Civil Rights

defeated the Soviet Union

and now are the only bulwark against the Globalist elites anywhere in the world

the Conservative Party of Canada meanwhile, are just lick spittle cronies to the Liberals

you deserve the governance you get in Canada

MAGA

The GOP has been filled with mostly idiots since at least Dubya Sr.

Knuckle-dragging elites vs globalist elites.  Hmm how do I want to ruin my country?

[Dougie93]

8 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The GOP has been filled with mostly idiots since at least Dubya Sr.

Knuckle-dragging elites vs globalist elites.  Hmm how do I want to ruin my country?

the Liberals have erased your country and replaced it with their Post National State

hot going to happen, it has already happened

only a tiny fringe element actually defends & upholds your monarchy

the vast majority of Canadians are fully Americanized republicans

who draw their ideologies from America

you even invoke the "globalist elite"

that doesn't originate in Canada

that is an America First Republican ideology

Edited October 4, 2022 by Dougie93

[Moonlight Graham]

6 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

the Liberals have erased your country and replaced it with their Post National State

hot going to happen, it has already happened 

The Republicans are doing a great job erasing your country and replacing it with Nazi Germany.

[taxme]

On 9/28/2022 at 2:28 PM, Jack9000 said:

poilievre will be worse by every perspective except for the rich and oil and gas... aka sask/alberta

I am still waiting for you to reply to my question as to why you seem to fee that it is alright for the globalist Marxist in Ottawa to freeze peoples bank accounts and credit cards?

And now the Marxist in Ottawa wants to start up a digital currency where the Marxist would now be able to track as to what and where one spends his/her own money on which is none of the governments gawd dam business. So, are you all in for that one too? Well, come on, man, speak up and stop running away from hard conservative questions. Well, lefty boy? ?

[Dougie93]

3 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The Republicans are doing a great job erasing your country and replacing it with Nazi Germany.

not sure why you come to that conclusion

the Nazis were Nietzschean, their mantra was : God is dead

Republicans are the opposite

the Nazis were Malthusian, they believed that getting rid of people was the solution by mass euthanasia

Republicans are the opposite

the Nazis were anti-capitalist, running an utterly centrally planned economy

Republicans are the opposite

the Nazis engaged in draconian speech banning

Republicans are the opposite

the Nazis ensured the population was completely disarmed and at their mercy

Republicans are the opposite

the Nazis asserted the Jewish Bolshevik Conspiracy, blaming the Jews for Communism

Republicans are the defenders of the Jews, American Zionists

only the Republican Party recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel

Republicans are literally the bulwark against National Socialism

Republicans crushed the Democrat slave holders, led by Abraham Lincoln

then Republicans crushed the Nazis too, led by Dwight Eisenhower

then Republicans crushed the Soviets, led by Ronald Reagan

De Oppresso Liber

Edited October 4, 2022 by Dougie93

[I am Groot]

20 hours ago, herbie said:

Yes, I was a math major.
1 out of 6 is not a small group. Six million is not a small group. How can you dismiss a figure like six million as insignificant in the overall picture?

Almost all those six million are already eligible to have dental expenses covered under welfare or various programs at the municipal or provincial level.

[Army Guy]

21 hours ago, herbie said:

Yes, I was a math major.
1 out of 6 is not a small group. Six million is not a small group. How can you dismiss a figure like six million as insignificant in the overall picture?

What is it that you don't get - that this is a fix for an omission on Day One or the overall idea that social programs are the number one part of the budget that benefits your daily life.
You want spending cuts, then cut the spending on shit instead of things that help.

I don't want to sound like Bum hole, but 5/6 of the population have no problem with affording dental care. well over the majority would you say... something like 83% give or take, I'm not a math major, but i do have grade 12 math and i think my numbers are looking pretty good.

It does not matter whether it was intended to be placed on day one and was left out, the fact is that money has already been allotted right, so it is NEW spending...where does it come from, according to Justin the budget will balance itself, well here is a news flash Economists say it does not work like that, not even close. 

Yes, it would be nice to have all the social programs we could ever need or want, the problem is who is going to pay for them, you do know Justin is going to raise taxes right, that much is in the media already, that's how we pay for everything.... the problem with all the new ones that have just been rammed through is where is the money coming from? what are we going to cut to get this new money? I already pay enough taxes, I'm sure you do as well, i worked hard for my money, i'd like to keep as much as i can.

Thats is the whole story of this post, what i call shit is your things that you think are necessary, like childcare, dental care, boosting benefits, all of them are not necessary, they are wants not needs, goggle how much these programs are costing us every year... 10 's of Bils. that could go further in health care than these programs will every help. 

Health care is a necessary program, that effects all Canadians except the ultra-rich... Let's fix current programs before we start making new ones, or all we are going to have is under funded programs that are ineffective. 

 

[Moonlight Graham]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

not sure why you come to that conclusion

the Nazis were Nietzschean, their mantra was : God is dead

Republicans are the opposite

the Nazis were Malthusian, they believed that getting rid of people was the solution by mass euthanasia

Republicans are the opposite

the Nazis were anti-capitalist, running an utterly centrally planned economy

Republicans are the opposite

the Nazis engaged in draconian speech banning

Republicans are the opposite

the Nazis ensured the population was completely disarmed and at their mercy

Republicans are the opposite

the Nazis asserted the Jewish Bolshevik Conspiracy, blaming the Jews for Communism

Republicans are the defenders of the Jews, American Zionists

only the Republican Party recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel

Republicans are literally the bulwark against National Socialism

Republicans crushed the Democrat slave holders, led by Abraham Lincoln

then Republicans crushed the Nazis too, led by Dwight Eisenhower

then Republicans crushed the Soviets, led by Ronald Reagan

De Oppresso Liber

You forgot racist white supremacist hyper-nationalist democracy overthrowers sprinkled with retardation.

[herbie]

I get it ArmyGuy, you don't think adding dental to the main healthcare is a good idea, but I and the vast majority of voters do. Most employers do too as it would reduce the 'extended benefits' cost from their pocket. We're not likely to change each other's minds.

But I will put to you that it's a (not fully) done deal and eliminating it would not look too good on anyone's election platform. So the actual problem is how to deal with its cost going forward.

[Jack9000]

18 hours ago, taxme said:

I am still waiting for you to reply to my question as to why you seem to fee that it is alright for the globalist Marxist in Ottawa to freeze peoples bank accounts and credit cards?

And now the Marxist in Ottawa wants to start up a digital currency where the Marxist would now be able to track as to what and where one spends his/her own money on which is none of the governments gawd dam business. So, are you all in for that one too? Well, come on, man, speak up and stop running away from hard conservative questions. Well, lefty boy? ?

I didn't answer because your question was pointless and stupid lmao.. you think our government is marxist/communist so i don't bother wasting my time on you..  i hated harper but didn't call him nazi or hitler  lol.. no canadian government either  left or right wing has gone as far as you claim the current one is. so basically everything you post is bs  is what I am saying.

[Jack9000]

13 hours ago, herbie said:

I get it ArmyGuy, you don't think adding dental to the main healthcare is a good idea, but I and the vast majority of voters do. Most employers do too as it would reduce the 'extended benefits' cost from their pocket. We're not likely to change each other's minds.

But I will put to you that it's a (not fully) done deal and eliminating it would not look too good on anyone's election platform. So the actual problem is how to deal with its cost going forward.

he doesn't think the government should spend a dime on any average person around or just below middle class  or poor person  so not surprised he doesn't think they should be spending on dental care either lol..

Edited October 5, 2022 by Jack9000