Question for Trudeau Haters....

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

Summary of the above post:

“People didn’t line up for vaccines…”

*shown picture of people lined up for vaccine*

“Ok, people lined up, BUT CONSPIRACIES!!!”

Lol.

I can see how you interpreted that to suit your fancy, and that's fine, it wasn't completely out of line with my original quote.

I will clarify, just for your sake: People weren't lining up for vaccines when the protest was on. A very large percentage of the people who were getting vaccinated in late 2021 were doing it just to keep their jobs, or so that they could go into restaurants, etc. 

No one under 60 years old with an IQ over 70 was lining up to get the jab in late 2021 for their own sake.

But.... if there was a real pandemic, and there was vaccine that really worked, everyone would be trying to get the vaccination. You wouldn't have to incentivize vaccinations by threatening to ban people from restaurants if they didn't get the vax. Get it? It would be like telling people wandering through the desert that they could drink some water if they [insert comparatively meaningless activity here].

[TreeBeard]

Just now, DogOnPorch said:

Spanish Flu didn't need a 24/7 ad campaign. The guy on the tram dropped dead next to you.

What were medical care and hospitals like in 1915?   Were  there ambulances and taxis?  Who was left to try and deal with it when many of able bodied men were overseas fighting?  Was the virus deadlier than COVID?

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, TreeBeard said:

What were medical care and hospitals like in 1915?   Were  there ambulances and taxis?  Who was left to try and deal with it when many of able bodied men were overseas fighting?  Was the virus deadlier than COVID?

 

Spanish Flu was 1918 and beyond.

[TreeBeard]

Just now, DogOnPorch said:

 

Spanish Flu was 1918 and beyond.

My mistake. They overlapped in around 1918.  Point still stands.  

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, TreeBeard said:

My mistake. They overlapped in around 1918.  Point still stands.  

 

You're free to sea-lion your own way through Spanish Flu statistics.

[Zeitgeist]

22 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

If this is the criteria to be able to say “deadly”, is any disease deadly?  Please name a deadly disease.  
 

Do your own legwork, Plato.  

[TreeBeard]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

Do your own legwork, Plato.  

I am asking your opinion.  How should I go about researching what YOU would consider deadly if I can’t ask you?

Edited August 18, 2022 by TreeBeard

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

Do your own legwork, Plato.  

 

I know eh? So many Platos unfamiliar with the Socratic Method.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Buddy, it's only been people of advanced age and/or with serious co-morbidities who were ever at risk from covid since day one.

We knew that long before the vax ever came out. 

What we never knew before COVID was how expendable people of advanced age with co-morbidities were.

Now that we know we can fine tune our vote away from you punks accordingly.

[Zeitgeist]

2 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

I am asking your opinion.  How should I go about researching what YOU would consider deadly if I can’t ask you?

Some diseases are deadlier than others.  Ebola is deadlier than Covid, at least deadlier than Omicron.  It’s less transmissible though.  Vaccination is merely a resistor.  It boosts immunity like the flu shot.  It doesn’t prevent you from ever getting it like the polio vaccine.  It comes down to health and immunity.  The vast majority of healthy people, even unvaccinated, can fight Covid.  The vulnerable have to be more careful.  Thankfully protections and anti-virals are available.  

[WestCanMan]

7 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

So, if COVID killed 10x more people than it did, it would be “deadly” in your view. Interesting.  

Approximately 10 times more deaths as COVID from the Spanish flu, although the numbers for that pandemic are only estimates and the range is quite large.  Of course, the world was less populated then.  And, luckily, the COVID vaccines prevented a lot of potential deaths. 
 

 

1) the Spanish flu hit hardest among 28 yr old men and pregnant women, two of the healthiest population demographics around. Their Spanish flu deaths were actual Spanish flu deaths, they weren't just walking on the edge of their grave when the flu gave them a nudge.

By contrast, over 60% of covid deaths are among people over 80, and they only represent 4.4% of the Canadian population. In total, over 96% of people who died from covid had one or more co-morbidities. On average it was around 3. Their deaths were partly from covid and partly/mostly from other things.

For all intents and purposes, Covid doesn't kill 28 yr old men at all. They'd have to be obese and on chemo to be at risk of death from covid. 

Comparing Spanish flu deaths with covid deaths is like comparing being raped by a Pakistani militia unit that kicked in your door while you were having dinner with your family to getting raped by your boyfriend after you were both totally naked but he only had permission to use his fingers and you didn't actually say "no". Sure, they're both rape at some level, but there's no actual meaningful comparison between the two events. 

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In the USA, about half of the 620,000 deaths could have been prevented if more people were vaccinated. 
https://globalepidemics.org/vaccinations/

I haven’t seen a study for other places, or worldwide, yet.  

That's an if.. dog... rabbit study. They're saying that "If the vaccine actually worked as promised, 620,000 people would have lived." 

It's not a case of: "Based on this real world data comparing covid death rates, 620,000 people would have lived if they got vaxed." 

It's like if I said that drinking my tasty, refreshing lemonade cuts covid deaths down by 80%, and then I just projected my bullshit numbers across every covid death that ever happened. That's a completely worthless "study".

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What we never knew before COVID was how expendable people of advanced age with co-morbidities were.

Now that we know we can fine tune our vote away from you punks accordingly.

Stop trying to interpret things irrationally just so that you can make sandbox insults.

80+ yr-olds with co-morbidities die all the time. 

No intelligent person ever said "Grandma is 88 with a heart condition and severe diabetes, we think she'll live to 100."

If someone said that she might live a few months longer if her grandchildren got a vaccine with harmful side-effects, every decent grandmother would say "They can come sit on my lap instead."

Your idiotic bullshit doesn't work anymore eyeball. You've become too bitter and too ridiculous. 

Take a few deep breaths before you post. Think about younger people who deserve a fair, healthy shot at life, like you had. 

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said:

Deadly pandemic...I correct you.

Because you say it's stupid only. And that holds little weight with me. Or with probability for that matter...something you do not seem to understand.

People don't like to think they fooled. I understand this. But most people were.

I'll give you a few minutes.

Covid has an IFR of 0.5% higher than the seasonal flu.  Depending on the year, the flu IFR would be a fraction of a percentage higher than normal, which means Covid would also be even LESS of a fraction of a percentage higher.

Covid even affected the same demographic as the seasonal flu.

Yet, we were fooled into thinking this was an actual pandemic.

A lot of people are waking up to this.  Some woke up sooner than others.

Some will never wake up.  I think it's partly, as you say - they don't like to admit they've been fooled.  And partly, because they behaved so atrociously towards their fellow citizens.  Facing that shame means you're not the "good person" you thought you were.

 

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Take a few deep breaths before you post. Think about younger people who deserve a fair, healthy shot at life, like you had. 

Hmmm, 1...2...3...

Okay, I thought about it. Screw young people.

Bear in mind I'm merely borrowing that page from the right wing that says it's everyone for themselves. No hard feelings right?

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Hmmm, 1...2...3...

Okay, I thought about it. Screw young people.

Bear in mind I'm merely borrowing that page from the right wing that says it's everyone for themselves. No hard feelings right?

You have an irrational hatred of other people dude. 

I defy you to walk around your neighbourhood and find some "right wingers" who have no regard for the rights & lives of others, as you claim.

I can promise you that's far more common among attendees at riots where buildings are being burned down and looted. 

I feel sorry for you and I hope you can get some help. 

[TreeBeard]

24 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Some diseases are deadlier than others.  

If COVID is not a deadly disease, what is?

ebola?

AIDS?

Spanish flu?

Personally, I don’t usually add adjectives, but I think “potentially deadly” is a good descriptor for something like COVID.  

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, TreeBeard said:

If COVID is not a deadly disease, what is?

ebola?

AIDS?

Spanish flu?

Personally, I don’t usually add adjectives, but I think “potentially deadly” is a good descriptor for something like COVID.  

"potentially deadly"?

Crossing the street is "potentially deadly".

I fear there are now a lot of people psychologically addicted to fear.

[WestCanMan]

11 minutes ago, Goddess said:

And partly, because they behaved so atrociously towards their fellow citizens.  Facing that shame means you're not the "good person" you thought you were.

IMO there are a lot of people (usually but not always leftists) who get the bulk of their self-esteem from virtue-signalling. 

What "self-respecting" covid Karen would admit that they were in the wrong when they cheered for police brutality and when they smugly looked down their noses at young people who were forced out of their careers? Or when they pretended that vax-injuries didn't exist and then their own children/grandchildren were harmed by vaccines?

There are people who are vax-injured themselves who won't admit that the vax caused their afflictions.

IMO the people who were dumb enough and petty enough to get sucked into attacking the unvaxxed are as likely to offer a sincere apology as a crocodile or a snake.

[WestCanMan]

5 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I fear there are now a lot of people psychologically addicted to fear.

And victim status.

It's the most sacred virtue of the 2020s among leftists.

[WestCanMan]

11 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

If COVID is not a deadly disease, what is?

ebola?

AIDS?

Spanish flu?

Personally, I don’t usually add adjectives, but I think “potentially deadly” is a good descriptor for something like COVID.  

Covid is "potentially deadly" to people over 70 with several co-morbidities.

Ebola is "extremely deadly" to everyone.

AIDS was "a death sentence" to everyone, until about 20 years ago.

Spanish flu was "potentially deadly" to everyone.

Maybe what you don't understand is that there's a bell curve, or a sliding scale for various diseases. It's not a case where "everything that's worse than the common cold is equal."

[DogOnPorch]

22 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Some will never wake up.  I think it's partly, as you say - they don't like to admit they've been fooled.  And partly, because they behaved so atrociously towards their fellow citizens.  Facing that shame means you're not the "good person" you thought you were.

 

 

History has shown we get fooled on a REGULAR basis...which is why real history is no longer taught.

We're in the middle of the greatest power grab in human history it would appear. If the worst case scenario is true, James Bond villains are actually trying to take over the world and 'reduce your carbon footprint'. Pay no mind to it....look squirrel.

 

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

Covid is "potentially deadly" to people over 70 with several co-morbidities.

Ebola is "extremely deadly" to everyone.

AIDS was "a death sentence" to everyone, until about 20 years ago.

Spanish flu was "potentially deadly" to everyone.

Maybe what you don't understand is that there's a bell curve, or a sliding scale for various diseases. It's not a case where "everything that's worse than the common cold is equal."

 

Any form of hemorrhagic variola major. The vast majority are not inoculated for it and any who are would have decades old immunity responses...if any. The Soviet Union managed to weaponize the India-1967 strain back in the 1980s. So imagine what they can do these days.

[I am Groot]

18 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

No one cares, dude.

Go get spoon fed some more, if that’s what you need.

Fill one’s boots

So you're okay with spouting off opinions as if they were facts event though you have nothing to back them up?

I mean, doesn't that embarrass you even a little?

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Any form of hemorrhagic variola major. The vast majority are not inoculated for it and any who are would have decades old immunity responses...if any. The Soviet Union managed to weaponize the India-1967 strain back in the 1980s. So imagine what they can do these days.

I'm pretty sure that a Canadian research group came up with a vaccine (real vaccine, not a Pflacebo) for the most recent strain of ebola. It's just not mass-injected because ebola is so rare, and it doesn't spread very fast because it isn't communicable until the symptoms are noticeable. 

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

So you're okay with spouting off opinions as if they were facts event though you have nothing to back them up?

I mean, doesn't that embarrass you even a little?

What you still consider to be opinion was established as fact a long time ago. 

Do you have electricity in your home yet?