Dougie93 Posted May 15, 2022 Report Share Posted May 15, 2022 after Vimy Ridge, the next most seminal moment in Canadian Nationalism is arguably the 1972 Summit Series against Soviet Red Army 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted May 15, 2022 Report Share Posted May 15, 2022 then came Terry Fox Marathon of Hope Terry Fox is the patron saint of Canadian Nationalism 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted May 15, 2022 Report Share Posted May 15, 2022 now some might say "what about Juno Beach ?" but that was not actually the Canadian Nationalist moment in the Second World War the Canadian Nationalist moments in the Second World War were both catastrophes the Canadians overrun at Hong Kong the Canadians cut down upon the beaches of Dieppe the worst fates suffered by the Canadians, used as cannon fodder by the British Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted May 15, 2022 Report Share Posted May 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: after Vimy Ridge, the next most seminal moment in Canadian Nationalism is arguably the 1972 Summit Series against Soviet Red Army For Canadians but not for the Dutch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted May 15, 2022 Report Share Posted May 15, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Aristides said: For Canadians but not for the Dutch. ah, the Dutch the Dutch of course lionize Canadians as heroes liberated by the Canadians, their saviors if you're a 48th Highlander in Appeldoorn, they'll take you right into their homes, tell their daughters to take you out to the pubs Edited May 15, 2022 by Dougie93 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great American Posted May 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2022 15 hours ago, Dougie93 said: . . . the Dutch of course lionize Canadians as heroes . . . . . . liberated by the Canadians, their saviors Only thanks to America armaments. Remember who supplied and bankrolled the war. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted May 16, 2022 Report Share Posted May 16, 2022 11 hours ago, Great American said: Only thanks to America armaments. Remember who supplied and bankrolled the war. ? Actually thanks mostly to British armaments, Canada used some US armaments, British uniforms, weapons, and aircraft with exception of the P-51, and the corsair, ships, we did use the Sherman tank, and we even designed our own variant of the Sherman. As for bankrolling the US certainly threw a lot of money at the war effort, no doubt, and Canada could not compete on that scale... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted May 16, 2022 Report Share Posted May 16, 2022 11 hours ago, Great American said: Only thanks to America armaments. Remember who supplied and bankrolled the war. ? What Was Canada's Role in World War II Canada, of its own free will, entered the war in September 1939 because it then realized that Nazi Germany threatened the very existence of Western civilization. Almost from the beginning Canadians were in the thick of the fighting—in the air. In that element the Dominion made its most striking contribution to the general war effort. On the outbreak of hostilities, the British Commonwealth Air Training Plan was established in Canada to develop the air forces of Britain, Australia, and New Zealand, as well as of Canada. It was under the direction of the Royal Canadian Air Force, and it cost the Canadian government well over 1.5 billion dollars. Here it may be well to note that Canada’s population is only about one-eleventh that of our country. We have to multiply Canadian figures by eleven, therefore, to get the approximate American equivalent of Canada’s war effort. By 1944, the Royal Canadian Air Force had a strength of more than 200,000. This was only a part of what Canada did in this line, for at the same time nearly half the ground crew personnel and more than a quarter of the air crew strength of the Royal Air Force were also Canadians. The Royal Canadian Navy, which started from scratch in 1939, grew to 700 ships and 95,000 men. This force too was in the fight from almost the beginning. It participated in the daring rescue at Dunkirk, and it took over more and more of the Allied convoy work across the north Atlantic—half of it by 1943 and most of it by the end of 1944. The Canadian army numbered in 1944 about half a million men, five-sixths of whom had volunteered for overseas service. Some of it formed most of the force that suffered disaster at Dieppe in the summer of 1942. Some fought alongside Americans and British in Sicily and Italy. But the main military effort of the Canadians began in June 1944 with the landing on the beaches of Normandy, and continued with the fight across France and into Germany. Canadian units were out in Hong Kong when the Japs attacked it on Pearl Harbor Day, and the Canadian declaration of war against Japan was made the evening before our declaration. A battalion of Canadian troops took part in the landing on Kiska in the Aleutian Islands. Canada did not receive a cent of lend-lease aid from us. Instead of receiving, she supplied it to the United Nations. The total at the end of 1944 was some 4 billion dollars, which is more dollars per capita than our lend-lease contribution. On the economic side, the war placed a more severe strain on Canadians than on us. The average Canadian citizen paid more taxes and, on the whole, was subject to more rigid controls. He knows what the war cost and, let us be frank, he knew it longer than we did. https://www.historians.org/about-aha-and-membership/aha-history-and-archives/gi-roundtable-series/pamphlets/em-47-canada-our-oldest-good-neighbor-(1946)/what-was-canadas-role-in-world-war-ii 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougar Posted May 16, 2022 Report Share Posted May 16, 2022 On 5/13/2022 at 5:45 PM, Nationalist said: Any migrant who becomes a citizen of Canada and lied during their swearing of allegiance...should be escorted out. Allegiance to whom, if I may ask, the Queen of England? Or to the First Nations , or to the second nations and so on. Then given what the Queens descendants have done to the indigenous peoples of North America and the wildlife; is it not them who should be escorted out for misrepresenting their objectives and values ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: Actually thanks mostly to British armaments, Canada used some US armaments, British uniforms, weapons, and aircraft with exception of the P-51, and the corsair, ships, we did use the Sherman tank, and we even designed our own variant of the Sherman. As for bankrolling the US certainly threw a lot of money at the war effort, no doubt, and Canada could not compete on that scale... Even the P-51 was originally commissioned by the British and wasn't a successful fighter until fitted with a British Merlin engine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 15 minutes ago, cougar said: Allegiance to whom, if I may ask, the Queen of England? Or to the First Nations , or to the second nations and so on. Then given what the Queens descendants have done to the indigenous peoples of North America and the wildlife; is it not them who should be escorted out for misrepresenting their objectives and values ? Queen of Canada. She has no official function as Queen of England. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 15 hours ago, Great American said: Only thanks to America armaments. Remember who supplied and bankrolled the war. ? Even though the US was over two years late to the party and had to be attacked first, (even Hitler declared war on the US first) it can be justifiably proud of its contributions when it finally did arrive. What I don't understand is the arrogance and contempt for the contributions of others. Is it a national trait or just plain ignorance? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, cougar said: Allegiance to whom, if I may ask, the Queen of England? Or to the First Nations , or to the second nations and so on. Then given what the Queens descendants have done to the indigenous peoples of North America and the wildlife; is it not them who should be escorted out for misrepresenting their objectives and values ? To Canada. If one migrates here and fails to swear and exhibit allegiance to the crown and all the authorities and laws within...which is how the pledge is worded...then yes. Here's the gate you'll be leaving from. Have a nice day. As for the natives...I know the politics. I know what the Iroquois did and why. Very short sighted. Canada has the luxury of having been made by 3 major cultures. The natives the french and the english. Special thanks to the nordic tribes who produce beautiful women...hoo baby...pretty women. But I digress... We need to find a way to unite the founding peoples of Canada, yet preserve the base of the 3 main cultures. People wonder what the culture of Canada is. THAT'S IT! The cultures of french native and english influences. In spite if the cultural and political horseshit. Edited May 17, 2022 by Nationalist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougar Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: allegiance to the crow and all the authorities and laws within.. We need to find a way to unite the founding peoples of Canada, yet preserve the base of the 3 main cultures. People wonder what the culture of Canada is. THAT'S IT! My allegiance to the crows, ravens and magpies of Canada is true. As for the "3 cultures" this is no longer the case after Canada started importing 300,000+ immigrants , mostly from Asia and did absolutely nothing to integrate them to any of the 3 cultures. And that's because culture in Canada has never been a big thing - just the money making is a thing. Too late for any nationalistic feelings and movements. Enjoy your new political leaders in all their shapes and forms and head dresses and what not. Why don't we have a MP with a PNG ancestry entering the parliament in his traditional dress is the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, cougar said: My allegiance to the crows, ravens and magpies of Canada is true. As for the "3 cultures" this is no longer the case after Canada started importing 300,000+ immigrants , mostly from Asia and did absolutely nothing to integrate them to any of the 3 cultures. And that's because culture in Canada has never been a big thing - just the money making is a thing. Too late for any nationalistic feelings and movements. Enjoy your new political leaders in all their shapes and forms and head dresses and what not. Why don't we have a MP with a PNG ancestry entering the parliament in his traditional dress is the question. Crow was an obvious type-o for crown. But you knew that. I fixed it anyway. If you choose to be placid about Canada...that's your choice. Edited May 17, 2022 by Nationalist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 17 hours ago, cougar said: just the money making is a thing. which translates for the average Canadian as living the dream find a mate, get married, have children, buy a fully detached home on a nice property, some sort of retirement thereafter 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted May 18, 2022 Report Share Posted May 18, 2022 (edited) Nationalism is not one of Canada' strong points, perhaps because Canada is officially a multicultural country made up of people from many different countries in the world who have no interest in integrating but wish to keep their own culture and live in silos of their own group. Perhaps that is one reason why support for the Canadian Forces is very low and the country is full of pacifists. Even our major political parties don't seem that anxious to put a lot more money into the military. I have been reading a book on the history of the world. It looks like the history of every country is the world is one of wars and struggles to survive or be taken over by other groups. Empires rise and fall, nations rise and fall. If we go by history, a strong nation has a much better chance of survival and a weak nation not much chance. That makes me think Canada will not last any great length of time in a world where survival depends a lot on the strength of the military. Of course there are other factors at play such as unity and common beliefs that unite the people. Might does not make right, but it sure helps in a world where there are many threats from others who want your resources and land. Edited May 18, 2022 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougar Posted May 18, 2022 Report Share Posted May 18, 2022 23 minutes ago, blackbird said: Might does not make right, but it sure helps in a world where there are many threats from others who want your resources and land. You forgot one thing. We are willing to give our land and resources to whoever needs them without a fight. We will let anyone come in and settle in on our land without a fight. We need no military indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted May 18, 2022 Report Share Posted May 18, 2022 41 minutes ago, cougar said: You forgot one thing. We are willing to give our land and resources to whoever needs them without a fight. We will let anyone come in and settle in on our land without a fight. We need no military indeed. Leftist pacifists are what destroy a country from within. What about yourself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougar Posted May 18, 2022 Report Share Posted May 18, 2022 Just now, blackbird said: Leftist pacifists are what destroy a country from within. What about yourself? What about myself? I do not make the rules in this country. I do not sell land to foreign entities or bring in hoards or refugees and immigrants. It is what "the Crown" has created. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted May 18, 2022 Report Share Posted May 18, 2022 18 minutes ago, blackbird said: Leftist pacifists are what destroy a country from within. You're implying violent rightists are what save a country from left wing pacificts? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted May 18, 2022 Report Share Posted May 18, 2022 34 minutes ago, eyeball said: You're implying violent rightists are what save a country from left wing pacificts? Everyone should be a nationalist and believe in a strong military to protect their country and like-minded countries. All we have to do is look at the Ukraine and other countries in Europe to know that. A strong military is the best deterrent to people like Putin and his supporters. This has nothing to do with violent rightists. The problem in Canada is the left wing pacifists like the NDP and Liberals who oppose a strong military. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted May 18, 2022 Report Share Posted May 18, 2022 59 minutes ago, cougar said: What about myself? I do not make the rules in this country. I do not sell land to foreign entities or bring in hoards or refugees and immigrants. It is what "the Crown" has created. Good for you. Do you believe we should have a much stronger military? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted May 18, 2022 Report Share Posted May 18, 2022 I'm a Nationalist because I love this country thus need to oppose the selling out of our natural wealth to globalists. As for the discussion about Canadian military contributions to the world wars... We don't need to justify ourselves to anyone...let alone Yankees. In fact...agree with them. "You are correct. Canada is insignificant and had no impact on the wars. You would hate it here...so save yourself and don't come." Have a great day Canada. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted May 18, 2022 Report Share Posted May 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: I'm a Nationalist because I love this country thus need to oppose the selling out of our natural wealth to globalists. As for the discussion about Canadian military contributions to the world wars... We don't need to justify ourselves to anyone...let alone Yankees. In fact...agree with them. "You are correct. Canada is insignificant and had no impact on the wars. You would hate it here...so save yourself and don't come." Have a great day Canada. Canada made significant contributions in both world wars. Really we deserved a permanent seat on the Security Council. Instead France got it. However, that was a long time ago. It’s sad how much our military has been neglected. Maybe Canada’s favouritism for Ukraine is what’s making our government start to care a little about our military. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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