US Supreme Court strikes down Roe V. Wade

[West]

Good day for the rights of the unborn today and states rights. Roe Vs. Wade has been struck down making it up to the states to pass their own individual bills. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-overturn-roe-draft-leaked-draft-opinion-report

On another note, seems a leftist activist is trying to stir up violence by leaking this 

 

[Infidel Dog]

They take a private vote as kind of a first draft, I think. That's what leaked.

So if it's just the 9 justices in the room. One of them must be the rat, right?

They say a leak like this has never happened before.

Edited May 3, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Nationalist]

It's a "draft" people. Not the decision. 

However, by the guidance of the US Constitution, Roe V Wade is unconstitutional. That's not to say I am dead set against abortion. Just that constatutioally speaking...the decision belongs to the states.

[Oksanna]

15 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

It's a "draft" people. Not the decision. 

However, by the guidance of the US Constitution, Roe V Wade is unconstitutional. That's not to say I am dead set against abortion. Just that constatutioally speaking...the decision belongs to the states.

No it doesn't. Rights don't belong to the states, and the Roe is absolutely an interpretation of the constitution. It will be overturned based on the bible and in defiance of the constitution. It will result in the erosion of other rights as well.

[Oksanna]

7 hours ago, West said:

Good day for the rights of the unborn today and states rights. Roe Vs. Wade has been struck down making it up to the states to pass their own individual bills. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-overturn-roe-draft-leaked-draft-opinion-report

On another note, seems a leftist activist is trying to stir up violence by leaking this 

 

No use for the constitution or rights huh?

[ExFlyer]

29 minutes ago, Oksanna said:

No it doesn't. Rights don't belong to the states, and the Roe is absolutely an interpretation of the constitution. It will be overturned based on the bible and in defiance of the constitution. It will result in the erosion of other rights as well.

Supreme court appointments made on political beliefs is problematic, in Canada too.

[Nationalist]

21 minutes ago, Oksanna said:

No it doesn't. Rights don't belong to the states, and the Roe is absolutely an interpretation of the constitution. It will be overturned based on the bible and in defiance of the constitution. It will result in the erosion of other rights as well.

Really? OK...show me where the US Constitution touches on abortion.

The fact is, abortions were very far and few between...if they existed at all...during the time of the Constitution. Thus as a topic that is not granted to the federal government, it goes to the states. Now...you can agree or disagree with the act of abortion, but the Constitution did not deal with it.

I don't see a way to make this decision without pissing off a huge swath of Americans. But for discussion's sake, lets say Roe V Wade is NOT overturned and the federal laws are made such that an abortion after the 3rd trimester becomes illegal. Then what? Would Libbies be satisfied? Probably not huh? No...states like California would break the law and allow on-demand at any time...even AFTER the birth...to kill the baby. Something I think they're already doing.

And then there's the question of "My body. My decision". Oh really? OK...its my body and I decide what vaccines go into it and what vaccines do not. Nobody can discriminate against me for that decision because...after all..."My body. My decision"...right?

No matter how this comes out, the leak has damaged the SCOTUS. Whoever is responsible, needs to be disbarred and tossed to the curb. And finally...my opinion.

I think abortion must be available to women who are raped, when the fetus is found to be seriously defective, or when the mother's life is in danger. I also think that abortions after 3 months should only happen in the most extreme cases. It would not bother me at all should that become law. However...as we've seen time and again...people will push the envelope to sickening points. Thus should Roe be upheald, I would like to see doctors and women who break the 3 month rule, charged and jailed.

[West]

1 hour ago, Oksanna said:

No it doesn't. Rights don't belong to the states, and the Roe is absolutely an interpretation of the constitution. It will be overturned based on the bible and in defiance of the constitution. It will result in the erosion of other rights as well.

Good news for you. If you still want to kill babies I'm sure the pervs in California will allow it

[West]

1 hour ago, Oksanna said:

No use for the constitution or rights huh?

The baby has a right to life

[Nationalist]

3 minutes ago, West said:

The baby has a right to life

This is true. The question is, when is a gathering of cells...a baby? IMO, its at the end of the 3rd month.

[West]

37 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

This is true. The question is, when is a gathering of cells...a baby? IMO, its at the end of the 3rd month.

What would make the end of the third month the appropriate time to call a baby "human"? 

[Nationalist]

Just now, West said:

What would make the end of the third month the appropriate time to call a baby "human"? 

Response to external stimuli. Reports are vague but it appears the fetus reacts to things at about the 15th week. IMO...if its reacting to stimuli, it has awareness.

[Aristides]

The US about to take a great leap into the 19th Century. Can't wait for the good old days of back alley abortions and coat hangers.

[Shady]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

The US about to take a great leap into the 19th Century. Can't wait for the good old days of back alley abortions and coat hangers.

Complete nonsense.  All this does is allow states to decide how abortion is regulated, similar to guns.  Abortion law will NOT change at all in most states.  

[Infidel Dog]

I saw an interesting polling stat on one of the cable stations.

Apparently gallup shows Americans support legalizing abortion in general 60 to 40.

But once you start separating it by trimester it flips. Something like 20% pro abortion, 80% against by the third trimester.

 

 

Edited May 3, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Luz P.]

47 minutes ago, Shady said:

Complete nonsense.  All this does is allow states to decide how abortion is regulated, similar to guns.  Abortion law will NOT change at all in most states.  

But in those that it will, mainly red states, what do you expect will happen?

[Faramir]

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

I saw an interesting polling stat on one of the cable stations.

Apparently gallup shows Americans support legalizing abortion in general 60 to 40.

But once you start separating it by trimester it flips. Something like 20% pro abortion, 80% against by the third trimester.

 

 

Yes Macleans did a similar poll for Canada years ago.  Basically Canadians said if a pregnancy makes their life hard in any way, they are for all out abortion.

[bush_cheney2004]

If the U.S. Supreme Court strikes down Roe v. Wade, it will only be correcting a self inflicted mistake, as unlimited access to abortion is most certainly not a constitutional right.    Even health care is not a constitutional right, not even in Canada.

As for the leak, suspect political motivations for mid-term elections....Democrats are sagging badly with Biden and need a rally cry.   Roe v. Wade was also leaked...so not a big surprise:

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/03/1096097236/roe-wade-original-ruling-leak

Canadian women will still have abortion access in U.S. states that legalize (e.g. New York).   Before tightened border access in the early 2000's, Canadians sought abortions in the U.S. by the thousands each year.

 

[Aristides]

3 hours ago, Shady said:

Complete nonsense.  All this does is allow states to decide how abortion is regulated, similar to guns.  Abortion law will NOT change at all in most states.  

It's just men claiming dominion over women's bodies like they have for millennia. Texas abortion law is a perfect example, the law itself sets people against each other. 

Edited May 3, 2022 by Aristides

[Faramir]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

It's just men claiming dominion over women's bodies like they have for millennia. Texas abortion law is a perfect example, the law itself sets people against each other. 

Not wanting little babies to be sucked out and mutilated by a doctor is about men using women?  

[Faramir]

2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

If the U.S. Supreme Court strikes down Roe v. Wade, it will only be correcting a self inflicted mistake, as unlimited access to abortion is most certainly not a constitutional right.    Even health care is not a constitutional right, not even in Canada.

As for the leak, suspect political motivations for mid-term elections....Democrats are sagging badly with Biden and need a rally cry.   Roe v. Wade was also leaked...so not a big surprise:

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/03/1096097236/roe-wade-original-ruling-leak

Canadian women will still have abortion access in U.S. states that legalize (e.g. New York).   Before tightened border access in the early 2000's, Canadians sought abortions in the U.S. by the thousands each year.

 

The worst are the doctors.  They know better than anyone they are terminating a baby.  They are basically nothing more than contract killers.

[Aristides]

22 minutes ago, Faramir said:

Not wanting little babies to be sucked out and mutilated by a doctor is about men using women?  

Forcing women to do something they will never have to do is about men using women.

[Infidel Dog]

Killing babies is about killing babies.

PJW introduces some sanity to that one with angry humor:

 

Edited May 3, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Aristides]

11 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Killing babies is about killing babies.

PJW introduces some sanity to that one with angry humor:

 

Says an asshole who will never have to face that decision. Make that a pair of assholes.

Edited May 3, 2022 by Aristides

[bush_cheney2004]

39 minutes ago, Faramir said:

The worst are the doctors.  They know better than anyone they are terminating a baby.  They are basically nothing more than contract killers.

 

True...and this is where abortion as an inalienable right in the U.S. begins to break down.   Health care professionals have enumerated rights that trump mandatory abortion services.

Pharma developed safer abortifacients and morning after pills to provide another option, but some pharmacists refuse to dispense.  Plan B is a prescription free "morning after" alternative.

Abortion and gun rights...it never gets old !