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Socialism is evil for five key reasons:

1. Socialism is Based on a Materialistic Worldview.

2. Socialism punishes virtue.

3. Socialism Endorses Stealing.

4. Socialism Encourages Envy and Class Warfare.

5. Socialism Seeks to Destroy Marriage and Family.

  From Julie Roys, Christian Post contributor July 12, 2016.

For the detailed explanation of each of these five points, please go to:

5 Reasons Socialism Is Not Christian | Opinion News (christianpost.com)

   Since the federal NDP and Liberals have reached an agreement which includes the governing Liberals enacting more major social programs such as dental care, and pharmacare, in addition to the existing programs, the question of whether it is moral or not should be examined.  These programs sound good on the surface or without an in depth examination of what it all means.  But the fact is they will cost Canadians tens of billions of dollars on top of the hundreds of billions of dollars of debt we already have.  There is no such thing as a free lunch.  Somebody has to pay for all these expensive programs and the only people who can pay are the taxpayers.  But many Canadians are already stretched beyond the brink and struggling to make end's meet.  So how will all this work and is it fair for taxpayers?  Gas prices are already beyond reasonable, real estate and rents in cities is getting out of sight, and food is going up.  Yet the left wing parties and politicians believe now is the time to really splurge on social programs.  They also believe we should not spend on our poverty-stricken Canadian forces, even at a time when the world has changed and we face serious aggressive behavior from adversaries in the world.  So it is really a moral issue as well as a political issue.

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Socialism is supposedly the process which gets you to the end state of Communism

Communism being the Socialist post scarcity utopia heaven on earth

Socialism is the mechanism that ostensibly brings on the utopia by government central planning

the evil comes when the utopia fails to arrive, when that government central planning doesn't work

then the Socialists become Josef Stalin,  Mao Zedong & Pol Pot

their utopia is not at hand

so you must be the problem then

you infidels who doubt their utopia, it's your fault

they blame you,  for the failings of government centrally planned utopia's

 so they have to get rid of you somehow, because you expose their false idolatry

death solves all problems, no man, no problem

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

When is Sweden's Stalin due to arrive?  

"For years, I've heard American leftists say Sweden is proof that socialism works, that it doesn't have to turn out as badly as the Soviet Union or Cuba or Venezuela did.

But that's not what Swedish historian Johan Norberg says in a new documentary and Stossel TV video.

"Sweden is not socialist—because the government doesn't own the means of production. To see that, you have to go to Venezuela or Cuba or North Korea," says Norberg.

"We did have a period in the 1970s and 1980s when we had something that resembled socialism: a big government that taxed and spent heavily. And that's the period in Swedish history when our economy was going south."

Per capita GDP fell. Sweden's growth fell behind other countries. Inflation increased.

Even socialistic Swedes complained about the high taxes.

Astrid Lindgren, author of the popular Pippi Longstocking children's books, discovered that she was losing money by being popular. She had to pay a tax of 102 percent on any new book she sold.

"She wrote this angry essay about a witch who was mean and vicious—but not as vicious as the Swedish tax authorities," says Norberg.

Yet even those high taxes did not bring in enough money to fund Sweden's big welfare state.

"People couldn't get the pension that they thought they depended on for the future," recounts Norberg. "At that point the Swedish population just said, enough, we can't do this."

Sweden then reduced government's role.

They cut public spending, privatized the national rail network, abolished certain government monopolies, eliminated inheritance taxes, and sold state-owned businesses like the maker of Absolut vodka.

They also reduced pension promises "so that it wasn't as unsustainable," adds Norberg.

As a result, says Norberg, his "impoverished peasant nation developed into one of the world's richest countries."

He acknowledges that Sweden, in some areas, has a big government: "We do have a bigger welfare state than the U.S., higher taxes than the U.S., but in other areas, when it comes to free markets, when it comes to competition, when it comes to free trade, Sweden is actually more free market."

Sweden Isn't Socialist (reason.com)

It is obvious the bigger the welfare state (as the NDP wants), the more taxes everyone must pay.  There is no free lunch.

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5 hours ago, sharkman said:

Because sooner or later you run out of other people's money.

Collateralize something that belongs to everyone then. There are asteroids out there worth more money than has ever been printed or taxed in all of human history combined.  Like fat juicy cherries just waiting to be picked.

Pie in the sky. Literally.

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3 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

 Jesus would tell the rich to give their money to the poor, not have the state take it from them by force without their consent.

In which case, government is the most Christian of all, as they ensure  the rich(er) give to the poor. 

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On 3/23/2022 at 5:28 AM, dialamah said:

In which case, government is the most Christian of all, as they ensure  the rich(er) give to the poor. 

The morally bankrupt government we have takes by force the money from those that produce something and gives it away around the world as well as spends it on every imaginable cause as well as spends it in vote potential ridings.  They must have learned this from their Jesuit masters who started some of the educational institutes that some of them attended.  One of the problems with democracy is that votes must be earned and money buys votes.

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The idea behind socialism is an organized means of ensuring people have enough to eat, shelter and the neccessities of life. It was the perview of the temple / church / mosque, but the problem with that is so people in need fall through the cracks. Some believe government is a better platform for ensuring fewer people are in need. It has been part of the social contract in our culture going back thousands of years. The Roman government collected taxes and provided food and shelter for the poor. The myth about Nero was actually an attempt by the Roman administration to provide affordable housing. The slums were breeding grounds for pestilence, so they were burned and the residents were moved into social housing...likely with the same results we see today in the projects.

Even Neanderthals took care of their less fortunate members. There is the dig at Shanidar in which the reamains of a man were found. He was about 40 when he died in a rockfall about 75,000 years ago. He was born with a withered arm and when he was about 20, he broke his good arm, which never healed properly. His remains showed he had been well fed throughout his life. His community cared for him for twenty years after he became severely disabled. He lived in a community who's graves  showed a belief in an afterlife. 

Human compassion has been a vital evolutionary survival mechanism. Socialism could be considered an organizational attempt to improve on that. Society works as a team. "All for one and one for all" is a better strategy than what is mine is mine and the rest are on their own. 

Where is the evil in that?

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On 3/23/2022 at 2:30 AM, Moonlight Graham said:

Jesus never made nobody do nothing. Jesus would tell the rich to give their money to the poor, not have the state take it from them by force without their consent.

The Canadian state does not take taxes by force. The Parliament and Provincial Legislatures, which you had a role in electing, voted for the taxes to give  you and your community the services you need and desire. If you have a problem with how tax money is spent, you have the opportunity to change your MP or MLA in the next election. If your candidate did not get elected, that is on you for not working hard enough in the campaign, or perhaps your views are different from other members of your community. 

Or maybe you feel entitled to live in this country rent free?

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54 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The Jesuits are Christians just like you. Isn't a Christian educational institute a good thing?

No, they are not.   Their educational institutions are not Christian.  Far from it.  Read the Jesuit Oath and their Extreme Oath.   The Jesuit Oath (truthontheweb.org)

Read:

ROMAN CATHOLICISM EXPOSED (jesus-is-savior.com)

 

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6 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The Jesuits are Christians just like you. Isn't a Christian educational institute a good thing?

quote Like Bernie Sanders, the pope is a socialist. He has had many unkind words about capitalism (“the dung of the devil”), but no corresponding criticism of socialism. Like Sanders, his ideas about economics were shaped by Marxist thinkers and activists.  unquote

www.crisismagazine.com/2019/pope-franciss-socialist-agenda

Trudeau and company are Catholics and therefore follow the Socialist agenda of the Vatican.  This is why they send Canadian's taxpayer money around the world as part of their agenda.    This has nothing to do with charity.  Taxpayers have no choice.  It is all politics of liberal elites who believe in multilateralism and working for the U.N. Marxist agenda.  It also helps set them up for a future position after they retire from electoral politics and seek a good job in the U.N. like Bob Rae received.  John McCallum became an ambassador to China until he was removed for being too China friendly? They also combine their beliefs with evil progressivism and send money to support abortion in third world countries.

Transforming our world: the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development | Department of Economic and Social Affairs (un.org)

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The same can be said if the dissenter heresy. (Evangelicals, Methodists, Baptists etc.) By definition, the One True Faith is the only Christian church. It goes by other names, such as Church of England, Anglican, but it is the Church that is the only One True Faith...or not. 

There is no one true faith. Humans, both Homo Sapien and Homo Sapien Neadertalis, demonstrated a belief in God and an after life. Perhaps the Denisovans did as well but there is insufficient data to know. Faith in God has been with us for hundreds of thousands of years. Everyone of them believed they were practicing the One True Faith.

There is a radical difference between socialism and marxism / Communism. 

Was Stanley Knowles evil? F.R. Scott? Jack Layton? J.S. Woodsworth? W.A.C. Bennett?

Why do you keep refering to Americans like Sanders? The United States is a great country but they have the most inept politicians in the western world.  (Sorry Bush-Cheney. We love you and if you were President, the world would be a better place)

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2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The Canadian state does not take taxes by force.

If I don't pay my taxes the government will come to my house with guns and clubs to threaten physical violence on me and drag me away and lock me in a cage.  If I resist they will use violence on me until I comply with their orders.  That is force, and that is not what Jesus did.  All laws are, at the end of the day, backed by the threat of physical violence to ensure compliance.

Priests are more like government.  Some priests will tell us we will burn in hell if we don't comply with "God's will".  They are threatening violence (in the afterlife) to scare us into compliance.

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41 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

If I don't pay my taxes the government will come to my house with guns and clubs to threaten physical violence on me and drag me away and lock me in a cage

I think they will start by writing you a letter. I really don't think guns come into it. The point is, you had a hand in electing them, either by working hard for the winner or not working hard enough for the loser.

If you don't pay for your groceries, that is theft and you may be prosecuted. If you don't pay your rent, you may be evicted.

If you don't pay for the services the Government provides, they have the right to take such action as they are entitled by law to protect their interests and the interests of the country.

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10 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I think they will start by writing you a letter. I really don't think guns come into it.

What happens when you throw away the letter?  They will garnish your wages, or seize then sell your property and assets, and they will force your employer, your bank etc. to comply through the threat of violence.  So yes, ultimately guns come into it, because nobody would follow the law if guns didn't come into it.

The real point is Jesus asked people to live in poverty and give their wealth to the poor.  What he didn't do is put a gun in someone's face ordering them to give money to the poor because he or the God or the majority said so.

I'm not saying I disagree with the current system Canada has, I'm saying it is not anything like Jesus advocated.  If you want to be Jesus, give your money to the poor and engage in total non-violence.

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Render unto Caesar, that which is Caesar's. 

16 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

What happens when you throw away the letter?  They will garnish your wages, or seize then sell your property and assets, and they will force your employer, your bank etc.

How is that different than if you owe money to any creditor? If you do not honour your debt, your creditor will take you to court and get a judgement. Are you saying the Crown is not entitled to collect money owed?

We don't actually know what Jesus would have done. There isn't any surviving evidence he existed aside from multiple revisions of books written decades later. All we have to go on is our faith.

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On 3/22/2022 at 2:37 PM, blackbird said:

Since the federal NDP and Liberals have reached an agreement which includes the governing Liberals enacting more major social programs such as dental care, and pharmacare, in addition to the existing programs, the question of whether it is moral or not should be examined. 

Since dental health and proper pharmesutical treatment are important to good health, and many low income people cannot afford dental treatment and pharmesutical intervention, the savings to the healthcare system will more than compensate for the costs of these two programs. 

I submit that helping avoid worse health outcomes is not evil.

On 3/22/2022 at 2:37 PM, blackbird said:

1. Socialism is Based on a Materialistic Worldview.

2. Socialism punishes virtue.

3. Socialism Endorses Stealing.

4. Socialism Encourages Envy and Class Warfare.

5. Socialism Seeks to Destroy Marriage and Family.

1)Materialism is not a product of socialism anymore than capitalism. It is hardwired into the brain like compassion.

2)Most people who are in low income situations in Canada are in that position due to illness, incapacity or marriage breakdown. There are also periods of high unemployment where people find themselves unable to find work.

 3)I've lived in both BC and Saskatchewan most of my life under NDP, PC's and Social Credit (now called Reform). The only one that didn't respect private property was Social Credit. No Conservative or New Democrat tried to take away my property. The American author is incorrect.

4)She confuses marxism with democratic socialism. They are very different.

5) This is a stretch. I don't think socialism had anything to do with the fact that several friends of mine were finally alled to get married when the law changed. The American author would rather have a traditional marriage- that is the union between a man and a womans estate and status after he bought her from her father.

 

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1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Since dental health and proper pharmesutical treatment are important to good health, and many low income people cannot afford dental treatment and pharmesutical intervention, the savings to the healthcare system will more than compensate for the costs of these two programs. 

I submit that helping avoid worse health outcomes is not evil.

1)Materialism is not a product of socialism anymore than capitalism. It is hardwired into the brain like compassion.

2)Most people who are in low income situations in Canada are in that position due to illness, incapacity or marriage breakdown. There are also periods of high unemployment where people find themselves unable to find work.

 3)I've lived in both BC and Saskatchewan most of my life under NDP, PC's and Social Credit (now called Reform). The only one that didn't respect private property was Social Credit. No Conservative or New Democrat tried to take away my property. The American author is incorrect.

4)She confuses marxism with democratic socialism. They are very different.

5) This is a stretch. I don't think socialism had anything to do with the fact that several friends of mine were finally alled to get married when the law changed. The American author would rather have a traditional marriage- that is the union between a man and a womans estate and status after he bought her from her father.

 

You are free to donate and help low income people all you want.  That's a good thing to do.

But you don't have the right to help yourself to other's money to do it.  That's stealing.  That's what the liberal left think they can do without any limits.  The belief of liberals may partly come from the Socialist side of the Catholic church or apostate churches that think government should be some kind of social service agency for everyone (Socialism).  Passing a law doesn't make something moral as you seem to think.  Hitler passed lots of laws or issued orders-in-council.  So did Stalin and Chairman Mao.  That doesn't make things moral.  Some Catholic priests in central America and south America were supporters of Communism decades ago.  They were known as liberation theologians.  Our present Liberals and NDP seem to think there is nothing they cannot do and if they wish to do it, they think it must be moral.

Socialism is only one characteristic of this Liberal - NDP government.  It also considers itself as liberal - progressive which is why it passes immoral laws which I already mentioned.

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4 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The same can be said if the dissenter heresy. (Evangelicals, Methodists, Baptists etc.) By definition, the One True Faith is the only Christian church. It goes by other names, such as Church of England, Anglican, but it is the Church that is the only One True Faith...or not. 

There is no one true faith. Humans, both Homo Sapien and Homo Sapien Neadertalis, demonstrated a belief in God and an after life. Perhaps the Denisovans did as well but there is insufficient data to know. Faith in God has been with us for hundreds of thousands of years. Everyone of them believed they were practicing the One True Faith.

There is a radical difference between socialism and marxism / Communism. 

Was Stanley Knowles evil? F.R. Scott? Jack Layton? J.S. Woodsworth? W.A.C. Bennett?

Why do you keep refering to Americans like Sanders? The United States is a great country but they have the most inept politicians in the western world.  (Sorry Bush-Cheney. We love you and if you were President, the world would be a better place)

I would assume every denomination thinks they have the "one true faith".  Certainly the Catholic Church has always believed they have it.  But that was why the Reformation took place five hundred years ago.  It was a return to the Bible and biblical truth or the one true faith.  No church has it perfectly because mankind is not perfect.  But there are some churches that believe closer to what the Bible teaches than others.  The Catholic church is not one of them.  Therefore those that support it and follow it's belief system are in error.  Socialism is one of the serious errors of some apostate and false churches.

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