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40 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

No.  For some reason, you mistake my quoting the misogynistic nonsense in the bible as support for what is written there.   You also mistake my correcting you about what is in the bible for support for what is actually written.   Don’t get me wrong…. it’s great that you are anti-bible when it comes to divorce.  It would be terrible if a woman was still the property of a man in law, like it is in the bible. 
 

There is not a single passage in the bible about a wife divorcing her husband, except in the Old Testament regarding when a man takes another wife, he must still treat his old wife as a wife, and not make her a slave, or else she may divorce him. 
 

If you can find another one, put it up.  
 

The bible is all about what a man can do to his wife, not the other way around.  

I already quoted verses to you but you ignore them and persist with your nonsense.  You have clearly spoken against divorce and I pointed out verses showing when it is justified by men or women.

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On 8/29/2022 at 4:31 PM, blackbird said:

There were polygamous marriages in Old Testament times, but that was before the church began 2,000 years ago.  The norm for Christianity in the New Testament age is one partner.  A Christian can only have one wife or husband.

Why did God change his mind about polygamy?  Does He change his mind a lot?

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29 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Why did God change his mind about polygamy?  Does He change his mind a lot?

I don't think God changed his mind.   

"If the Bible’s teachings for monogamy are so clear, why then are so many of God’s Old Testament saints polygamists? The reason Scripture records so many instances of polygamy and concubinage is not to endorse these actions, but to condemn them and show just how destructive such sexual perversity proved to be. Consider the outcomes of four of Scripture’s most notable polygamous relationships."

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LAMECH

Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. When he built a city, he called the name of the city after the name of his son, Enoch. To Enoch was born Irad, and Irad fathered Mehujael, and Mehujael fathered Methushael, and Methushael fathered Lamech. And Lamech took two wives. The name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah. . . .

Lamech said to his wives:

“Adah and Zillah, hear my voice;
     you wives of Lamech, listen to what I say:
I have killed a man for wounding me,
     a young man for striking me.
If Cain’s revenge is sevenfold,
     then Lamech’s is seventy-sevenfold.” (Genesis 4:17–19, 23–24)

The first polygamist in Scripture is Lamech, a son in the line of Cain. Lamech is not an exemplary character. Instead, Moses portrays him as the archetypal bad guy of the prediluvian world. In the line of the seed of the serpent, Lamech is the epitome of human wickedness, a man whose bloodlust and violence are exponentially worse than Cain’s.

“As Christ has only one bride, so marriage on earth testifies to that truth.”

Moses’s mention of Lamech’s two wives establishes a stark contrast between God’s good design in the garden and life away from the presence of God, east of Eden (Genesis 4:16). This story of the first polygamist in Scripture establishes that those who follow Lamech’s polygamous ways do so not out of righteousness, but because they’ve sinfully embraced the ways of the serpent and followed in the pattern of Cain’s unrighteous seed (at least in the area of sexual ethics).   unquote

For more case studies in the Old Testament:   Why Did God Allow Polygamy? | Desiring God

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11 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I don't think God changed his mind. 

I prefer plain readings to interpretation by apologists trying to fit what the bible said to justify their current views. 
 

When God regulates a practice, such as in Exodus 21:10, this is an endorsement.  Otherwise, there would be a prohibition in the bible, rather than a rule on how to do it.  

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3 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

I prefer plain readings to interpretation by apologists trying to fit what the bible said to justify their current views. 
 

When God regulates a practice, such as in Exodus 21:10, this is an endorsement.  Otherwise, there would be a prohibition in the bible, rather than a rule on how to do it.  

We have reached a dead end with you.  You obviously are not interested in knowing the truth.  After thousands of years of expertise by biblical scholars, you know better.

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On 9/3/2022 at 7:26 PM, herbie said:

One day around 1974 we decided, all hung over, to watch the TV preacher's sermon on "What the Bible Says About the H Bomb". It doesn't say nuthin...

so much for Biblical scholars who haven't learned dick in 2000 years.

 Many biblical scholars have devoted their lives and studied the Bible for many years, but you think they know nothing.  Oh well, each to his own.

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On 8/31/2022 at 1:17 PM, TreeBeard said:

Biblical apologists are not the same as biblical scholars. Although, there may be some overlap. 

Yes, there is a difference.  But today with so much error floating around, even biblical scholars may not always be correct about everything.  However, since they have studied theology for years, one must be careful.  It is best to study a particular subject before jumping to conclusions.  Some subjects are more difficult than others as well.

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