The NDP/Liberal Dictatorship

[Michael Hardner]

13 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Jesus said render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Pay your taxes.

There is/was a tithe prescribed also - to help the poor.

[West]

4 hours ago, betsy said:

I wonder if there's any corruption involved.

Any time leftists are involved you can pretty much guarantee it

[Queenmandy85]

 

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

"17  Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s. " Exodus 20:17 KJV

So are you saying a wife, and  servants are private property? 

 

12 minutes ago, West said:

Maybe the United church which I don't consider to be Christian anymore. 

Just because you don't, doesn't make it true.

How is paying taxes, lawfully levied by Parliament, theft?

 

[West]

1 minute ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Just because you don't, doesn't make it true.

How is paying taxes, lawfully levied by Parliament, theft?

 

The United Church denies the basics of the Christian faith such as sin, sanctity of marriage, and even Jesus as God. How are they "Christian" ?. 

I never made such a claim, though I imagine the cronyism that goes on with our tax dollars could be considered theft. 

[dialamah]

16 minutes ago, blackbird said:

"17  Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s. " Exodus 20:17 KJV

And here I thought the Old Testament no longer applied because Jesus.  So if the OT still applies, why don't we have slaves, multiple wives/concubines and eat pork?  

Many places in the bible advocate helping the needy and poor; why would Jesus differentiate between individuals and leaders?

[West]

2 minutes ago, dialamah said:

 why don't we have slaves,

Liberals call those guys tax payers now

[dialamah]

Just now, West said:

Liberals call those guys tax payers now

So do Conservatives.

[West]

4 minutes ago, dialamah said:

So do Conservatives.

The modern day slave owners are the banks. Most people in Canada today will never know what it means to be debt free. 

[dialamah]

23 minutes ago, West said:

The modern day slave owners are the banks. Most people in Canada today will never know what it means to be debt free. 

Do you know what a slave is?  Essentially it's property - somebody with no rights, at the whim of their owner can be beaten or killed.  Their life depends on the goodwill of their owner.  (Though to give the bible credit, it offered some protections and IIRC, the possibility of freedom after a certain time.)

Being in debt is not slavery.  Having a job to pay those debts (or buy luxuries) is not slavery.  And many people in Canada are debt-free.  Renters especially have the opportunity to be debt-free.

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, West said:

Maybe the United church which I don't consider to be Christian anymore. 

I still remember years ago the head of the United Church saying he didn’t believe in God.  Some of these churches are now mostly community gatherings with inspirational readings and lectures.  

[West]

11 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I still remember years ago the head of the United Church saying he didn’t believe in God.  Some of these churches are now mostly community gatherings with inspirational readings and lectures.  

Yes philosophical institutions more so than Christians. 

My grandfather worked on the Universal Healthcare bill with Douglas back in the day. He'd be rolling over if he saw what happened to his party. 

We don't have a strong labour party anymore and that's part of the reason why we see all this sketchy stuff going on. The NDP is just woke advocates. A man who wears a 10k rollex and tells you the best way to best has prices is to purchase a 60k Tesla is not in touch with reality.

Edited March 23, 2022 by West

[Goddess]

53 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Do you know what a slave is?  Essentially it's property - somebody with no rights, at the whim of their owner can be beaten or killed.  Their life depends on the goodwill of their owner. 

So, basically a Canadian?

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, dialamah said:

And here I thought the Old Testament no longer applied because Jesus.  So if the OT still applies, why don't we have slaves, multiple wives/concubines and eat pork?  

Many places in the bible advocate helping the needy and poor; why would Jesus differentiate between individuals and leaders?

There are certain principles which apply forever, such as the right to private property and stealing.

You know as well as I do that stealing is wrong.

Advocating helping the poor is referring to voluntary charity by individuals who agree to donate, not state-mandated confiscation of private property and earnings to spread around.  If you see something your neighbour has and you don't have, do you think it's your right to help yourself to it?

Edited March 23, 2022 by blackbird

[West]

15 minutes ago, Goddess said:

So, basically a Canadian?

Under Trudeau, absolutely. 

He wants to enslave you in as much debt as possible by putting on ridiculous fees and taxes that prevent you from paying off debt faster

[cougar]

7 minutes ago, West said:

Under Trudeau, absolutely. 

He wants to enslave you in as much debt as possible by putting on ridiculous fees and taxes that prevent you from paying off debt faster

You can't pay off debt anyways.  And why should you?  You had no say on the growth of that debt just like you have no say on how much money each of those politicians take home, or their pensions.

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Advocating helping the poor is referring to voluntary charity by individuals who agree to donate, not state-mandated confiscation of private property and earnings to spread around.  If you see something your neighbour has and you don't have, do you think it's your right to help yourself to it?

Taxes = stealing okay.  Got it.  Things are so simple when you can just reduce them down to absurdity.  Such a comfy place for you, I bet.

 

[Zeitgeist]

The Liberals and NDP are leaders in the woke-nihilist movement of racial determinism, collectivization, and redistribution of earnings from workers to the state.  By calling all family and community events and institutions colonial and patriarchal, we no longer have the important guideposts that provide direction to people: family dinners, religious milestones, and community gatherings. They are being replaced with the belief that your race/gender/ethnicity/sexual orientation/sexual identity determines your level of victimhood and therefore how much you deserve in reparations from the funds collected from workers.

There’s no belief in the freedom of the individual to chart a course beyond what the state defines based on your intersectionality caste.  Without the great stories of heroism from over the ages that we learn from religious and mythological texts, without any sense of important family and community time or a sense of the sacred, we lapse into a sense of meaninglessness and relativism.

Your only import becomes as a human resource in material production for the state, which decides what is priority because there’s no authority beyond the political leader.  This is apparent in Maoism, the Soviet Union, Cuba, and now Canada.  We have two cults driving the woke-green revolution: the science of health/climate purity and the pseudoscience of racial determinism. Trudeau, Freeland, and Singh play lead roles in this global Marxist-Nihilist crusade.  Protect your freedoms and your property because both are under threat.  “You will have nothing and be happy.”

Edited March 23, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[dialamah]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

You know as well as I do that stealing is wrong.

Do you think paying taxes is "stealing"?  Or is it only stealing if it helps people who are disadvantaged in some way?

[Queenmandy85]

19 hours ago, blackbird said:

The Bible tells us that Socialism is slavery and thievery.

I am not aware of that passage. However, as much as I like to argue about religion, I have no wish to attack your faith.

I lived under NDP governments in BC and Saskatchewan. In BC, I also lived under Social Credit, the old name for the Reform Party. 

In BC, we had a privately owned electrical utility called BC Electric. It provided good service at reasonable cost and made a decent profit for its shareholders.  When Social Credit came to power under W.A.C. Bennett, they expropriated BC Electric and stiffed the share holders, paying them far below market value. They turned it into BC Hydro, a bloated debt ridden, money losing company that gave lousy service at high prices. That is what a "free enterprise" party like the Reform Party does. The Bennetts and the Gaglardi's were so corrupt, they sang songs about it. (The Wild Kelowna Boys.) In Saskatchewan, I campaigned for Grant Devine's Conservatives. They ran up a huge debt for the NDP government that replaced them. The NDP were more fiscally conservative than the Conservatives. The Chretien Liberals created a large surplus for Harper to fritter away.

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

These are exactly the same kind politicians in left wing parties that support same-sex marriage, LGBTQ, doctor-assisted dying, abortion and attack Bible-believing Christianity.

If the Government can tell you who you can marry, that is socialism. Medically assisted dying was ordered by the supreme court and it was adopted by the grits, not the NDP, but did it in order to comply with the Court ruling. I don't like it but that is the law.

It would be inappropriate for a man such as me, to interfere in a woman's reproductive rights and only a socialist would presume to do so.

The agreement between the Grits and the NDP was at the NDP's request, because the NDP needs time to pay off their election debts.

My question is how is this going to affect the CPC's leadership race?

Edited March 23, 2022 by Queenmandy85

[Moonbox]

5 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The NDP were more fiscally conservative than the Conservatives. The Chretien Liberals created a large surplus for Harper to fritter away.

The Chretien Liberals ran a large surplus during some of the best times since the post-war era, and the main reason the Harper Conservatives ran deficits was because of that unfortunate financial crisis thingy.  The Liberals in Canada ran huge deficits long after the crisis has passed and when an even worse crisis came along we really had nowhere else to go.  

Fiscal stimulus during good times are a blueprint for bad policy and Trudeau's Liberals have been champions of it.  

[Queenmandy85]

2 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

The Liberals in Canada ran huge deficits long after the crisis has passed and when an even worse crisis came along we really had nowhere else to go.  

Please stop trying to make me defend the Liberals. Plleeeaaassse. ?

[West]

17 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I am not aware of that passage. However, as much as I like to argue about religion, I have no wish to attack your faith.

I lived under NDP governments in BC and Saskatchewan. In BC, I also lived under Social Credit, the old name for the Reform Party. 

In BC, we had a privately owned electrical utility called BC Electric. It provided good service at reasonable cost and made a decent profit for its shareholders.  When Social Credit came to power under W.A.C. Bennett, they expropriated BC Electric and stiffed the share holders, paying them far below market value. They turned it into BC Hydro, a bloated debt ridden, money losing company that gave lousy service at high prices. That is what a "free enterprise" party like the Reform Party does. The Bennetts and the Gaglardi's were so corrupt, they sang songs about it. (The Wild Kelowna Boys.) In Saskatchewan, I campaigned for Grant Devine's Conservatives. They ran up a huge debt for the NDP government that replaced them. The NDP were more fiscally conservative than the Conservatives. The Chretien Liberals created a large surplus for Harper to fritter away.

If the Government can tell you who you can marry, that is socialism. Medically assisted dying was ordered by the supreme court and it was adopted by the grits, not the NDP, but did it in order to comply with the Court ruling. I don't like it but that is the law.

It would be inappropriate for a man such as me, to interfere in a woman's reproductive rights and only a socialist would presume to do so.

The agreement between the Grits and the NDP was at the NDP's request, because the NDP needs time to pay off their election debts.

My question is how is this going to affect the CPC's leadership race?

1. What you describe about BC Hydro isn't free market capitalism. It was the government choosing a winner (crony capitalism) with no real threat of new entrants given regulation and astronomical entry costs. 

2. As would be the government demanding a Christian pastor perform a ceremony that they can't in good conscience perform. Would like to see government out of marriage all together. 

There's also lots of lawsuits especially in the US over bakers and florists not providing wedding services for same sex unions. Same people also say "actions have consequences" when they support other discriminatory practices in the marketplace. The issue with the Dippers is they choose which they want to support and its generally based on the hierarchy of wokeness.

3. There are competing rights in the area of abortion. A right to life and a right to control over your own body. 

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Taxes = stealing okay.  Got it.  Things are so simple when you can just reduce them down to absurdity.  Such a comfy place for you, I bet.

 

That is a gross misrepresentation of the facts.  It all depends on what the purpose of the taxes is and how the money is planned to be spent.  If it is to redistribute the wealth then that is Marxism or Socialism and is evil.  It's like stealing other people's property to equalize the wealth.  It is criminal.  Some taxes are necessary for essential services like roads, fire department and police department.  Nobody would disagree with that.  There is no other way to live in a civilized society without basic essential services.  But when it becomes ideologically Socialism for the purpose of providing everything to everyone, such as the taxpayers paying for housing, health care, pharmacare, dental care for everyone, whether they want to work or not, then is becomes stealing.  There is a line that should not be crossed.  The Bible says if a man will not work let him not eat.  That's an important principle.  Why should anyone work or improve their skills and education if the state is going to provide everything.  Get off your lazy ass and get a job.

[ExFlyer]

5 hours ago, West said:

The modern day slave owners are the banks. Most people in Canada today will never know what it means to be debt free. 

And why is that??  Because of a bank? Or because of consumer greed? Or because of not living with their means? Or because wanting and buying things they cannot afford?

Going into debt is a personal decision.

[West]

10 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

And why is that??  Because of a bank? Or because of consumer greed? Or because of not living with their means? Or because wanting and buying things they cannot afford?

Going into debt is a personal decision.

What are people to do? Live on the street?