Contrarian Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Nationalist said: That the hell is wrong with you? Of course they'll bomb the tanks. Just as soon as they cross the boarder to Ukraine, or are parked for training and maintenance. Its what any military would do, if they had the equipment to do so. Try stop being such a sopping wet dweeb and put you pants on. the reason I ask you is because there is a comment of yours which is popular around here. Something about Ukraine losing the war, Russia winning and NATO watching? Those are your words. This is why i confuse you sometimes with the tovarisch. but if you say your statement was based just on realism and critical thinking military strategy, not your own desire then you know best. Edited January 27 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 8 hours ago, athos said: Still, it's nice when Ukrainians and Russians die in your war for your interests. isn't it. But there is a karma proverb: "What ever you do comes back to you" 😀 Don't invade your neighbours comrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 3 minutes ago, Contrarian said: the reason I ask you is because there is a comment of yours which is popular around here. Something about Ukraine losing the war, Russia winning and NATO watching? Those are your words. This is why i confuse you sometimes with the tovarisch. but if you say your statement was based just on realism and military strategy, not your own desire then you know best. Unbelievable... Here's a tissue... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: They'll just bomb them. The reason Ukraine wants western tanks is because they are running out of ammunition for their Soviet era tanks and can't replace it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: Unbelievable... Here's a tissue... Ya, that statement was unbelievable alright and very revealing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 1 minute ago, Aristides said: The reason Ukraine wants western tanks is because they are running out of ammunition for their Soviet era tanks and can't replace it. Of course. But common sense dictates that the Russians can, and likely will, bomb them all back to Washington as soon as they are inside the Ukraine. The Ukes would do the same...if they could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 2 minutes ago, Aristides said: Ya, that statement was unbelievable alright and very revealing. And what does it reveal to you there Aristides? You war-mongers...you're all so...blinded by your overwhelming outrage. The bottom line in this conflict has always been and remains to be...the Ukes cannot defeat the Russian military without NATO boots on the ground. Its just not doable, and that's a cold, hard fact. So what are the choices? 1. Make a peace settlement. 2. Beat your heads against a wall. Choice 1 save lives. Choice 2 takes them. Or...would all you war-mongers actually WANT NATO boots on the ground in Ukraine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 7 minutes ago, Nationalist said: And what does it reveal to you there Aristides? You war-mongers...you're all so...blinded by your overwhelming outrage. The bottom line in this conflict has always been and remains to be...the Ukes cannot defeat the Russian military without NATO boots on the ground. Its just not doable, and that's a cold, hard fact. So what are the choices? 1. Make a peace settlement. 2. Beat your heads against a wall. Choice 1 save lives. Choice 2 takes them. Or...would all you war-mongers actually WANT NATO boots on the ground in Ukraine? You said you hoped Russia destroyed Ukraine. Too bad someone copied it before you tried to cover your tracks by deleting the post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 15 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Of course. But common sense dictates that the Russians can, and likely will, bomb them all back to Washington as soon as they are inside the Ukraine. The Ukes would do the same...if they could. We'll see, they haven't haven't had much success destroying HIMARS. Ukraine has been doing very well when it comes to destroying Russian armour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Nationalist said: 1. Make a settlement. How would a "settlement" look to you? Who would keep what? What is redacted proposing? The NATO boots on the ground is not realistic, is the same thing as the no fly zone dream. If the Ukrainians will is to keep fighting is bad news for Putin and the gang. Their main gamble was the first 2 weeks, they lost, now they are trying to rescue a drowing ship which the captain, Putin thought it was ready to compete with the United States and Nato. He is in the process of getting a rude awakening now is my view. Edited January 27 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 34 minutes ago, Aristides said: You said you hoped Russia destroyed Ukraine. Too bad someone copied it before you tried to cover your tracks by deleting the post. Yes I did. Rather sarcastically. But the whole quote doesn't fit your narrative...so you butcher the quote and lie. Why would I delete my own posts? I do not. But I've told you that already and you ignore it. So...Sally-baby...you do you...for as silly and dumb as it is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 32 minutes ago, Aristides said: We'll see, they haven't haven't had much success destroying HIMARS. Ukraine has been doing very well when it comes to destroying Russian armour. Yes. We will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 4 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Yes I did. Rather sarcastically. But the whole quote doesn't fit your narrative...so you butcher the quote and lie. Why would I delete my own posts? I do not. But I've told you that already and you ignore it. So...Sally-baby...you do you...for as silly and dumb as it is... The quote has been posted here many times. It speaks for itself. The post has disappeared. The only people who can delete posts are the mods and the OP. Are you saying Greg or Charles deleted it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 30 minutes ago, Contrarian said: How would a "settlement" look to you? Who would keep what? What is redacted proposing? The NATO boots on the ground is not realistic, is the same thing as the no fly zone dream. If the Ukrainians will is to keep fighting is bad news for Putin and the gang. Their main gamble was the first 2 weeks, they lost, now they are trying to rescue a drowing ship which the captain, Putin thought it was ready to compete with the United States and Nato. He is in the process of getting a rude awakening now is my view. I don't know what Redacted is proposing. Why don't you go check for yourself? You might be right about this rude awakening. What I see is... Russia has fortified the eastern regions of Ukraine. The regions that voted to align themselves with Russia rather than Ukraine. They've created a wall of sorts. Were I at the negotiating table, I'd propose that Ukraine let these provinces go...as is their want...throw up border crossings...tax the hell outta anyone trying to cross with goods from the new autonomous zone into Ukraine proper...revoke any remaining funding...fortify the new boarder with their shiny new tanks...and be done with it. Then...with all the lives that didn't get extinguished...rebuild the destroyed western infrastructure and go back to grain farming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Just now, Aristides said: The quote has been posted here many times. It speaks for itself. The post has disappeared. The only people who can delete posts are the mods and the OP. Are you saying Greg or Charles deleted it? I'm saying I did not. Peter off and ask Greg if you like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Boges Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: What the hell is wrong with you? Of course they'll bomb the tanks. Just as soon as they cross the boarder to Ukraine, or are parked for training and maintenance. Its what any military would do, if they had the equipment to do so. Try stop being such a sopping wet dweeb and put your pants on. With what Air Superiority? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 4 minutes ago, Boges said: With what Air Superiority? No doubt they will try with drones and whatnot but it will be piecemeal because the Ukrainians won't be stupid enough to leave them in one place were they can be destroyed en mass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 17 minutes ago, Boges said: With what Air Superiority? Drones...of course. Or missiles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 3 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Drones...of course. Or missiles. Ukraine seems to have effective air defence. Which is why Putin has resorted to terror bombing civilians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 1 minute ago, Boges said: Ukraine seems to have effective air defence. Which is why Putin has resorted to terror bombing civilians. Terror bombing civilians? OK that's one explanation. Another is they were bombing infrastructure and military targets. The TRUTH of the matter, is likely somewhere in between the 2 stories. Fact is though...they can bomb inside western Ukraine...and I would expect they will continue to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, Aristides said: LOL...yes dear...LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 (edited) 17 hours ago, athos said: Australian open celebrates Russian victory. Djokovic senior: "Long live Russia" Lol more Fake news! You suck and so does Putin’s Russia Real headline: 4 with Russian flags kicked out of Australian Open by police MELBOURNE, Australia (AP) — Four people were kicked out of the Australian Open after displaying Russian flags — which have been banned from Melbourne Park — and threatening security guards, police and Tennis Australia said Thursday.… https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-novak-djokovic-sports-soccer-andrey-rublev-c1fce0e7c04a2732194038b5190ece85 Edited January 27 by BeaverFever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 (edited) 5 hours ago, Boges said: With what Air Superiority? bear in mind that America makes it look easy the Russian air force is simply not in the same league they use airpower in a very rudimentary fashion Russia has an artillery army, and Russian airpower is simply an extension of artillery bombardment they are not capable of conducting the sort of massive combined arms air land battle campaigns like America thing is, the Ukrainians use the same tactics & equipment as the Russains so neither side is able to break the stalemate with airpower there is a significant air battle going on right now over Bakhmut both sides coming in low & fast flying close air support neither side making much headway, it's a stalemate on the ground and in the air again, this is like World War One on a localized scale neither side can gain any significant advantage, firepower in of itself is not enough Russia cannot attack Ukraine's strategic lines of communication because that would require them to attack NATO Ukraine doesn't have the assets to sever Russia's strategic lines of communication so both sides are pouring men & materiel into a stalemate to no strategic effect Edited January 27 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 5 hours ago, Nationalist said: Terror bombing civilians? OK that's one explanation. Another is they were bombing infrastructure and military targets. The TRUTH of the matter, is likely somewhere in between the 2 stories. Fact is though...they can bomb inside western Ukraine...and I would expect they will continue to do so. Apartment blocks and hospitals are now infrastructure and military targets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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