War In Ukraine

[Dougie93]

17 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Exactly, Germany invaded France through Belgium.

Germany won the Franco Prussian war, why the need to invade again?

did you know that Kaiser Bill changed his mind ?

he was being pressured into mobilization by his General Staff

it was all about 1870 : he whose trains get to the front first wins the war

so the Generals just wanted authorization to send the trains to the front

the Kaiser gave permission, then went away and thought about it, and changed his mind

he came back and told the Generals, I don't want the war, call it off

but the Generals told him it was too late, the trains had already left for the front

[Nationalist]

16 hours ago, Aristides said:

Ignore the fact that your hero's wear the emblem of one of the most notorious SS divisions and overseers of death camps.

 

Gawd, I don't know how you can expect anyone to believe that fairy tale.

Oh...BTW...Twit-ski...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Skull_and_Bones_members

Now...who's weaving lies and fairy tales?

Edited April 4, 2023 by Nationalist

[Dougie93]

10 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Britain's strength was always its navy, its regular army was puny compared to France and Germany. That's why Kaiser Bill called it the "contemptible little army". Britain and Germany had been engaged in a naval arms race since the turn of the century with Germany trying to match the RN's strength. 

Germany requested Britain's neutrality in the event of a European war. Britain refused. The Germans miscalculated in 1914 just as Hitler did in 1939. Britains foreign policy was always to back the weaker side in Continental conflicts to prevent one power from becoming too dominant.

I think Kaiser Bill gets a bad rap

he was a buffoon, but he wasn't an evil man like Adolf Hitler

the Kaiser just wanted to be loved

Imperial Germany actually had the world's first social welfare state and public pension system

the Kaiser just wanted to be loved by the workers, he didn't want to be resented

the Kaiser actually made Germany a safe haven for the Jews fleeing the Russian polgroms

not so much that the Kaiser liked the Jews

but he just wanted to be seen as being more humane than the Czar

the only reason the Kaiser wanted a big navy, was so that his British family would respect him as a peer

Kaiser Bill did not want to embark on a genocidal total war, and he never thought it would come to that

unlike Hitler, who wanted a genocidal total war and knew exactly what he was doing

 

[CdnFox]

35 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Exactly, Germany invaded France through Belgium.

Germany won the Franco Prussian war, why the need to invade again?

I heard it was because some dude named 'archie duke" got hungry and shot an ostrich.

 

... (or maybe the archduke of austria-hungary got shot, one of the two).

[Dougie93]

44 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Exactly, Germany invaded France through Belgium.

Germany won the Franco Prussian war, why the need to invade again?

bear in mind, in 1914, their only concept of how the war would go, was 1870

so they really did think that the war would be over by Christmas

it would be a lighting war of train schedules

he who got to the front first by train would win

Germany would knock France out of the war in weeks, like they had in 1870

then Germany would defeat the inferior Russians in the east ( which they did )

then Britain would side with  Germany as the winner

the Kaiser was after all family; Queen Victoria's grandson

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Exactly, Germany invaded France through Belgium.

Germany won the Franco Prussian war, why the need to invade again?

furthermore, the Germans came damned close to pulling it off

by September of 1914 the French were retreating in disarray

General John French was preparing to evacuate the British Army off the Continent back across the Channel

the Germans were on the brink of winning the war

then the French staged a last stand on the River Marne at the outskirts of Paris

and that stopped the German momentum

but if the French had not rallied at the very last moment

The ( von ) Schlieffen Plan would have worked out perfectly

[Dougie93]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Oh...BTW...Twit-ski...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Skull_and_Bones_members

Now...who's weaving lies and fairy tales?

but see how the Canadian Nationalist position is a fool's errand ?

you take the Canada First position

what do you get for your troubles ?

Canadians start calling you a "Nazi"

because there is no Canadian Nationalism

Canada is a fundamentally internationalist institution

the only Confederation of the British Empire

cobbled together in a panic as a shotgun marriage

between colonies which actually don't have common interests but are in fact rivals

Nationalism's defining characteristic is to better harness national power

Nationalism fuses a national identity to a centralized system

Nationalism is based on an ethnic identity, like France for example, the French are nationalist

but Canada is not that, Canada is the polar opposite of that

Edited April 5, 2023 by Dougie93

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

bear in mind, in 1914, their only concept of how the war would go, was 1870

so they really did think that the war would be over by Christmas

it would be a lighting war of train schedules

he who got to the front first by train would win

Germany would knock France out of the war in weeks, like they had in 1870

then Germany would defeat the inferior Russians in the east ( which they did )

then Britain would side with  Germany as the winner

the Kaiser was after all family; Queen Victoria's grandson

He was Vicki's grandson but he was very unpopular with the rest of the family. Wilhelm called Edward VII, "Satan" and "the old Peacock" and his relations with George V weren't much better. 

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Aristides said:

He was Vicki's grandson but he was very unpopular with the rest of the family. Wilhelm called Edward VII, "Satan" and "the old Peacock" and his relations with George V weren't much better. 

exactly

the whole thing was about Kaiser Bill gaining respect from his estranged Germanic British family

if he won the war, if he became the Emperor of Europe

he would be equal to the Empress Victoria Hanover

even if George V didn't like him, George V would have to reckon with him as a peer

if they won't love you, then they have to fear you, is what Kaiser Bill concluded

[Dougie93]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

Britain's strength was always its navy

just to illustrate the vastly more decisive nature of sea power as opposed to land power

the whole First World War was all decided in just 90 minutes

because that's how long the Battle of Jutland actually lasted

the Germans went to attack Scapa Flow

the British intercepted and decoded the transmission ordering it

the British fleet then headed the German fleet off, preemptive strike

they blast away at each other for 90 minutes

the Germans were kind of winning, but they didn't realize it

so rather than just go for broke, the Germans turn around and flee back to port

and that's the whole war decided, right there

everything else, four years in the trenches, 10 million killed, that was simply the sideshow strategically 

Edited April 4, 2023 by Dougie93

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, Contrarian said:

Says the guy which likes communistic posts on this website. 

This is who you are?! Below pictures. ? ? ? 

In my view, @Aristides mops the floor with you any day in debating, like most on the website do, because all you bring is emotion, swear words, nonsense and threats (in your dark days). I thought you were on vacation in California, how come you have time to still visit the forum and spread the same low type of information?! 

On my way home. In Denver Airport right now. And...news flash...I'm not terribly concerned about your view.

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, Contrarian said:

Also, it seems you want to rant and have a big mouth today. 

Ok. 

Here is Putin, your hero, the so called "Anti-Nazi" with a neo-nazi that founded the Wagner group: 

• Putin managed to unite the fringes of the right -> with the worst elements of the <- left. Keeps giving this Vladimir. 

You Tweenkies keep trying this "hero" BS. You really should get a life and stop reaching for crap that just isn't there.

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

but see how the Canadian Nationalist position is a fool's errand ?

you take the Canada First position

what do you get for your troubles ?

Canadians start calling you a "Nazi"

because there is no Canadian Nationalism

Canada is a fundamentally internationalist institution

the only Confederation of the British Empire

cobbled together in a panic as a shotgun marriage

between colonies which actually don't have common interests but are in fact rivals

Nationalism's defining characteristic is to better harness national power

Nationalism fuses a national identity to a centralized system

Nationalism is based on an ethnic identity, like France for example, the French are nationalist

but Canada is not that, Canada is the polar opposite of that

Nationalism is based on the nation one pledges alliance to. 

But thanks for the truth about the skull and bones.

[Aristides]

34 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Nationalism is based on the nation one pledges alliance to. 

But thanks for the truth about the skull and bones.

The skull and crossbones symbol is also used for poisons. Quite fitting in this case.

[Dougie93]

10 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Nationalism is based on the nation one pledges alliance to.

Nationalism is an European political ideology born of the 18th century

which emphasizes devotion to a state consisting of an ethnic identity and territorial origin

a race of people from a particular land, often expressed by the motto "blood & soil"

hence the association with the far right

within Canadian Confederation there is Quebec nationalism

"Je me souviens" is Quebecois for "blood & soil"

but the rest of Confederation is fundamentally anti nationalist ; the Post National State

 

[Dougie93]

11 hours ago, Nationalist said:

But thanks for the truth about the skull and bones.

well again. the Totenkopf is not actually a National Socialist emblem

the Death's Head is Prussian

the Prussians being the ultimate European militarists, it symbolizes utter devotion to the regiment

a Death's Heads Hussar seeks glory in battle for the colours, or will die trying

so when one wears that emblem, that is your skull, your bones

the menace implied is that you will die for the regiment without hesitation

originally, a Hussar was a particularly fierce type of Hungarian light cavalry of Serbian ethnicity

but the traditions spread far & wide across Europe and the British Empire

Hussars was an elite, they were the "Commandos" of Renaissance Europe

the Prussian ( Death's Head ) Hussars were the elite of the elite

[Dougie93]

13 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Nationalism is based on the nation one pledges alliance [sic] to.

but again, if one is British, as I am, we are many nations

at our zenith, we were 25% of the worlds population

because British is not a race

British is not a place

there is no blood nor soil in being British

as British is simply a system of constitutional governance called Parliamentary Supremacy

the only allegiance therein, is to a set of ideas, a Bill of Rights, inalienable rights, defended by a Crown

founded in 1690 by William Prince of Orange

who was actually a Dutchman

Edited April 5, 2023 by Dougie93

[Nationalist]

16 hours ago, Aristides said:

The skull and crossbones symbol is also used for poisons. Quite fitting in this case.

That's true.

[Nationalist]

5 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

but again, if one is British, as I am, we are many nations

at our zenith, we were 25% of the worlds population

because British is not a race

British is not a place

there is no blood nor soil in being British

as British is simply a system of constitutional governance called Parliamentary Supremacy

the only allegiance therein, is to a set of ideas, a Bill of Rights, inalienable rights, defended by a Crown

founded in 1690 by William Prince of Orange

who was actually a Dutchman

So a Canadian Nationalist is loyal to the Charter of Canada.

Is there something wrong with that?

[Dougie93]

54 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

So a Canadian Nationalist is loyal to the Charter of Canada.

Is there something wrong with that?

that's not the definition of Canadian Nationalism though

Canadian Nationalism is something specific

Nationalism in the Canadian context opposes the Confederation

I'm not saying anything is wrong mind you, I'm not criticizing you

but you can't really define Canadian Nationalism to mean anything you want it to mean

as there is an historical Nationalism in Canada already, and it's not pro-Canada

 

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

So a Canadian Nationalist is loyal to the Charter of Canada.

but the Charter of Canada is that the English, Scots, Irish, French & Indian nations all give up their Nationalism

to live in Confederation under the Monarchy instead

if the nations inside Canada invoke their Nationalism, British,  French & Indian

that will break Canada up

it's same in the United Kingdom, the English, Scots, Welsh & Irish are all nations with their own Nationalism

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Is there something wrong with that?

to be clear, when I say that something is a "fool's errand", that doesn't mean that it is wrong

it just means that you won't get satisfaction by that path

in that, Canada is a fundamentally anti-Nationalist Confederation

the whole purpose of Canada is to suppress Nationalism in favour of Internationalism

and most Canadians have been indoctrinated into that, outside of Quebec at least

so you are unlikely to find much support for,

and rather will face constant resistance to,

your Nationalism

to wit, most Canadians will in fact attack you for being a Nationalist

[Nationalist]

28 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

that's not the definition of Canadian Nationalism though

Canadian Nationalism is something specific

Nationalism in the Canadian context opposes the Confederation

I'm not saying anything is wrong mind you, I'm not criticizing you

but you can't really define Canadian Nationalism to mean anything you want it to mean

as there is an historical Nationalism in Canada already, and it's not pro-Canada

 

Here's the definition of Nationalism when I google it.

Quote

identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

"their nationalism is tempered by a desire to join the European Union"

How ids this wrong?

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Here's the definition of Nationalism when I google it.

How ids this wrong?

again, I am not saying anything is wrong with being a Nationalist per se

all I say is that it is not the pro-Canada position, by simple logic

as Canada is not one nation

at minimum, it is English Canada, Quebec, and the First Nations

and the interests of those three nations are actually in conflict

so the exclusion and detriment of Nationalism threatens to break Canada up

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

again, I am not saying anything is wrong with being a Nationalist per se

all I say is that it is not the pro-Canada position, by simple logic

as Canada is not one nation

at minimum, it is English Canada, Quebec, and the First Nations

and the interests of those three nations are actually in conflict

so the exclusion and detriment of Nationalism threatens to break Canada up

That's always been our problem. It's a massive chunk of land with native tribes, Les Quebecios, and the Brits. They missed the nation building boat a long time ago. I have always thought "the melting pot" was a superior method.