Contrarian Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 (edited) So the German defence minister is out, for someone that follows German politics, maybe you are aware of Christine Lambrecht. Her last stunt, talking about the Ukrainian war while there are New Years fireworks in the background:https://youtu.be/9fDuL7zpE5Y?t=31 Many welcome the change. In one Bild interview, Ms. Lambrecht had been unable to name the German military ranks. Also, I was reading the opinion of one journalist that Belarus will join the war. I don't think this aspect is set in stone, Lukashenko is hesitating, part of it it might be that fear of war crimes charges. Edited January 16 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 I don't even know how someone can seriously try to post a Redacted clip as credible news and not burst out laughing at themselves. No wonder people get so screwed up over this stuff. Literally anything gets past their filter, as long as it's anti-establishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Moonbox said: I don't even know how someone can seriously try to post a Redacted clip as credible news and not burst out laughing at themselves. No wonder people get so screwed up over this stuff. Literally anything gets past their filter, as long as it's anti-establishment. Proof how the FSB or their fans work hand in hand with populism from the right and left. We had even a Soviet sympathiser here expressing a somewhat support for peace and harmony there by the Ukrainians capitulating. You know, I don't think @Nationalist pushes this information willingly, he is just a man angry about the status quo politicians, and this obsession and anger after a few beers, turns into diving for such material. The fact that you have someone here with a Russian flag & other things, which posts all over the internet with the same source, "Redacted". If you don't stop for a few seconds and asks yourself, why does someone which supports Putin, Russia and neo-nazi Wagner (he posted a job posting about them here) is circulating the same material as you are? Those questions are not asked, because anger comes in and name calling begins just to defend his main point based on perception. Always a pleasure talking to him = ) Edited January 16 by Contrarian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 41 minutes ago, Contrarian said: So the German defence minister is out, for someone that follows German politics, maybe you are aware of Christine Lambrecht. Her last stunt, talking about the Ukrainian war while there are New Years fireworks in the background:https://youtu.be/9fDuL7zpE5Y?t=31 Many welcome the change. In one Bild interview, Ms. Lambrecht had been unable to name the German military ranks. I feel bad for her more than anything. Making her the defense minister would have been like making my mom defense minister. She didn't know anything about it, she wasn't interested in it, and she didn't want the job. No wonder she sucked at it. 41 minutes ago, Contrarian said: Also, I was reading the opinion of one journalist that Belarus will join the war. I don't think this aspect is set in stone, Lukashenko is hesitating, part of it it might be that fear of war crimes charges. I am not sure what to think of this. Belarus' army is even trashier than Russia's, but Lukashenko's fate is inextrictably linked to Putin's. On one hand, his own country tried to revolt against him not long ago and Putin is the only reason he's still in power. On the other hand, Belarussians still hate him and could revolt again if they thro them into the war. My guess is nothing happens, but I'm not making any bets on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 1 hour ago, Aristides said: R is a Putin mouthpiece, just look at their website. Don't like the message...attack the messenger. Tell me...without NATO military involvement, what is it you expect to happen here? A perpetual military stalemate? That would be a nice long term dumping ground for old armaments but, what real other purpose does it serve? WHO...does such a thing serve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 (edited) The Ukrainians who don't want to become part of Russia, and Russia's geopolitical enemies. You're not saying anything novel here. That NATO is eager to see Russia weakened and humbled is no mystery. That this interest aligns with Ukrainian desire for independence and to avoid hopeless alignment with Russia isn't either. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. WHO does the invasion serve? Not the Ukrainians, obviously. Not the Russian people, equally obvious, since they're not even motivated to fight. WHO does this serve, aside from Putin and his delusions of grandeur? Edited January 16 by Moonbox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Don't like the message...attack the messenger. Tell me...without NATO military involvement, what is it you expect to happen here? A perpetual military stalemate? That would be a nice long term dumping ground for old armaments but, what real other purpose does it serve? WHO...does such a thing serve? Ukraine stays independent and a stopper is put on Russian aggression. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 1 hour ago, Aristides said: Ukraine stays independent and a stopper is put on Russian aggression. Locked in a long term war...oh goodie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 3 hours ago, Nationalist said: Locked in a long term war...oh goodie. All it will take to end is for Russia to leave Ukraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 8 hours ago, Nationalist said: Locked in a long term war...oh goodie. So...the Russians can leave the country they invaded. "Oh we want peace. Just put your weapons down, stop fighting us, and let us do what we please. Shh..Shh...it won't hurt so bad." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 10 hours ago, Aristides said: All it will take to end is for Russia to leave Ukraine. And do you think, somewhere in whatever part of your brain actually gets used, that Russia is going to just walk away from those eastern regions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 5 hours ago, Moonbox said: So...the Russians can leave the country they invaded. "Oh we want peace. Just put your weapons down, stop fighting us, and let us do what we please. Shh..Shh...it won't hurt so bad." Lol...'AHHH! THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING, THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING!' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 I see Australia is now helping train Ukrainian troops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 So, was that apartment in Dnipro deliberately targeted or just another example of Russian incompetence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 The Serbians don't want Wagner advertising in their country. 😄 It is illegal for Serbs to participate in conflicts abroad, with several people having been handed sentences for doing so. "Why do you, from Wagner, call anyone from Serbia when you know that it is against our regulations?" said President Aleksandar Vucic yesterday in a broadcast by the Belgrade-based Happy TV. Footage of two masked men at a weapons training course was broadcast by Russia's RIA news agency today, which claimed they were Serb volunteers in a Russian-controlled area of Ukraine. Mr Vucic has denied allegations that the Wagner group has a presence in Serbia. Serbian Defence Minister Milos Vucevic warned Serbs against joining Russian ranks, threatening "legal consequences" on Radio Free Europe. (SkyNews) ---> Even your old ally is leaving you tovarisch, nobody wants to be associated with the Russian Federation it seems. ---> I guess North Korea is the only hope? Yesterday Chinese officials were saying Putin is crazy, Belarus is hesitating, today you have this outburst from the Serbian president. Yah, I think Kim in North Korea is the only hope. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 9 hours ago, Contrarian said: Video from the war-zone: Rescue Operation in Soledar: https://youtu.be/m1gs589vTdY?t=33 Drone footage shows Marinka devastation via SkyNews https://youtu.be/wkNzORrFb34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athos Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 (edited) They don't have much time there for Ukraine, they say, "sex workers" storm Davos like never before Edited January 18 by athos 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athos Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 (edited) America's patriotic version of the Sacred war. This is very inspirational, epic and motivational. Edited January 18 by athos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 (edited) Putin is the world's greatest statesman. Edited January 18 by Moonbox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 (edited) Information is pending on what caused the helicoper crash which killed Ukrainian Minister Denys Monastyrskyi and First Deputy Minister Yevhen Yenin, as well as three children in a nursery on the ground near Kyiv this morning. 18 people are believed to be deceased. Breaking by the BBC, U.K.: https://youtu.be/x328UuXWPNo Edited January 18 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 (edited) I was just thinking. Part of the reason why Putin and the Kremlin establishment might allow such creatures like the boss of Wagner, or that Kadyrov fellow from Chechenia to constantly speak and be in the public sphere so much, maybe they are sending the Westerners a message: "hey, better be nice with me and no war crimes because look, it can be even worse." It might be a very, very smart game of the former KGB agent, Vladimir Putin to get out of legal issues. Edited January 18 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 The Atlantic says it succinctly: THE GREATEST NUCLEAR THREAT WE FACE IS A RUSSIAN VICTORY Putin’s blackmail is dangerous; its success would be even worse. … The invasion of Ukraine has been accompanied from the outset by Russian threats to use nuclear weapons. A few days after the war began, President Vladimir Putin complained that “NATO countries are making aggressive statements about our country” and warned that, as a result, Russia’s nuclear forces would be moved to “a special regime of combat duty.” No apparent change in operational readiness followed that warning. But in state-controlled news media, the almost-daily threats to use nuclear weapons have become central to Russian propaganda, seeking to inspire fear in NATO countries, discourage NATO forces from entering the war, and limit the supply of military assistance to Ukraine. This Russian propaganda has been amplified and endorsed by an unusual assortment of people in the United States, including the Fox News commentator Tucker Carlson, Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, the Democratic Socialists of America, and the Columbia University economist Jeffrey Sachs. The propaganda absolves Russia, blames the United States for the war, and has four main tenets: first, that a long-standing American effort to bring Ukraine into NATO poses a grave threat to Russian security. Second, that American shipments of weapons to Ukraine have prolonged the fighting and caused needless suffering among civilians. Third, that American support for Ukraine is just a pretext for seeking the destruction of Russia. And, finally, that American policies could soon prove responsible for causing an all-out nuclear war. Those arguments are based on lies. They are being spread to justify Russia’s unprecedented use of nuclear blackmail to seize territory from a neighboring state. Concerns about a possible nuclear exchange have thus far deterred the United States and NATO from providing Ukraine with the tanks, aircraft, and long-range missiles that might change the course of the war. If nuclear threats or the actual use of nuclear weapons leads to the defeat of Ukraine, Russia may use them to coerce other states. Tactics once considered immoral and unthinkable might become commonplace. Nuclear weapons would no longer be regarded solely as a deterrent of last resort; the nine countries that possess them would gain even greater influence; countries that lack them would seek to obtain them; and the global risk of devastating wars would increase exponentially. That is why the greatest nuclear threat we face is a Russian victory in Ukraine …. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/01/russias-invasion-ukraine-war-nuclear-weapon-nato/672727/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 (edited) Boris Johnston uses comedy to say his opinion about Putin and Nuclear Weapons. Earlier, Putin's ally Medvedev, former President of Russia warned (ranted) NATO of nuclear war if Russia defeated in Ukraine.Back to Boris Johnson: Boris Johnson has compared Vladimir Putin to “the fat boy in Dickens” who wants to “make our flesh creep” with threats of using nuclear weapons. Speaking about Ukraine at the World Economic Forum in Davos, the former prime minister insisted that the Russian president would not resort to using nuclear weapons, dismissing the idea as “nonsense”. He said: “Putin wants to present it as a nuclear stand-off between Nato and Russia. Nonsense. He’s not going to use nuclear weapons, okay. He’s like the fat boy in Dickens, he wants to make our flesh creep. He wants us to think about it. He’s never going to do it.” Edited January 19 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 (edited) War Footage from a few hours ago in Kreminna, Ukraine: via WarLeaks Edited January 20 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 (edited) On 1/13/2023 at 3:20 AM, Contrarian said: Time to remind people who is the Wagner group.Started by 2 men: 1) Dmitry Valerievich Utkin is a GRU special forces officer, where he served as a lieutenant colonel. He is alleged to have founded the Wagner Group, with his own call-sign reportedly being Wagner. I won't go on to the fact that he choose the word "Wagner" because old Adolph Hitler used to listened to Wagner, the composer. You can all google what the Wagner group did in Syria. Picture of the S.S. tattoo on Dmitry Utkin and Vladimir Putin, a so called anti-Nazi 😂 posing with Dmitry Utkin, a neo-nazi. 😄 2) Prigozhin, this little criminal of the Wagner group started his career robbing clothing stores, then he sold hot dogs with men of his ilk, not sure what happened in between but then he became Putin's chef. Now he is going around recruiting criminals from prisons as bodies. He has no respect even amongst Russian military force, which they consider him a thug, a faker, no military service. So, now it seems Wagner wants to recruit from disenfranchised Western men. The group is not registered as a legal entity anywhere in the world. Mercenaries are illegal under Russian law. Their shadowy existence allows Russia to downplay its battlefield casualties and distance itself from atrocities committed by Wagner fighters, observers say. Before you get attracted by the amateur Russian poster 😄, please consider these videos: a) This is who he recruits, from the prison system: b) And this is what happens when Wagner faced the U.S. Military: Tovarisch @athos I know you are reading. This news is for you: Just in - United States of America designates Russia's Wagner military group an international 'criminal organization'. (Agence France Presse). --- Be more cautious on posting job offerings from Wagner 😂, better stick with usual conspiracy theories. 😄 --- It appears that Germany is not going ahead with the tanks at this point, debate continues within NATO. U.S. secretary of defence said Germany had not yet made a decision on sending the Leopard 2 tank. Update: The Latvian foreign minister, Edgars Rinkēvičs, declared: “We, [Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania] foreign ministers, call on Germany to provide Leopard tanks to Ukraine now. This is needed to stop Russian aggression, help Ukraine and restore peace in Europe quickly. Germany, as the leading European power, has special responsibility in this regard.” Edited January 21 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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