War In Ukraine

[-TSS-]

When I travelled by train today I noticed that on the fences around the railway there were a lot of Ukrainian flags and signs saying slava Ukraini.

That is here in Finland where we don't even have many Ukrainians at all.

Over there in Canada you have hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians. This must be a very big thing over there.

 

[blackbird]

Here is a report and a video of a man who got out of his car, put his hands in the air, and was gunned down.  Just one of the countless war crimes in the Ukraine.  Video taken by a man with a drone.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/man-shot-dead-with-arms-raised-in-drone-video-ukrainians-gunned-down-in-bread-line-reports/ar-AAV8nIQ?ocid=mailsignout&li=AAggNb9

[Dougie93]

19 hours ago, -TSS- said:

Over there in Canada you have hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians. This must be a very big thing over there.

Ukrainian Canadians are roughly 5% of the population

but its more than that

the Ukrainians came here very early on, they were pioneers of the Canadian west

so they are deeply entrenched in Canadian society, disproportional influential perhaps

but even then, the  Russians who came to Canada, are not supporters of Putin

why would you come here if you supported Putin ?

the supporters of Putin here are not even Russian, the Canadian Russian Trolls don't even know the Russians

Edited March 22, 2022 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

I don't know if Putin has to resort to Novichok 5

but in the Warsaw Pact doctrinal manual

this would be the point where they were supposed to use weapons of mass destruction

the Russians don't have the boots on the ground to take Ukraine by conventional means

the only Russian card to play is to try to force the Ukrainians to capitulate by inflicting sheer terror upon them

I would surmise that it is all backfiring on the Russians, it's all going the opposite of what they intended

so the use of Novichock 5, the preferred Russian nerve agent, specially developed by the Soviets

seems likely to only backfire upon the Russians exponentially from there

[athos]

Russia actually uses the term Suwalki corridor
between Kaliningrad and Belarus.
There is a possibility that these three banana states will beseparated from Europe if Russia occupies Suwalki corridor.

[athos]

 

Australian Special Forces Commander Colonel Riccardo Bosi
has different take on Ukraine than MSM.

 

 

[athos]

Many ‘foreign volunteers’ with zero military training are traveling to Ukraine hopped up on the promise of social media dopamine and being able to express their support for ‘the current thing’.

 

 

 

[Iceni warrior]

10 hours ago, athos said:

Many ‘foreign volunteers’ with zero military training are traveling to Ukraine hopped up on the promise of social media dopamine and being able to express their support for ‘the current thing’.

 

 

 

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Paul Joseph Watson is a British far-right YouTuber, radio host and conspiracy theorist. Until July 2016, Watson embraced the label "alt-right", but he now identifies as part of the new right. In May 2019, Facebook and Instagram permanently banned Watson for violation of hate speech policies.

Nice source Ivan.

[Yzermandius19]

23 hours ago, athos said:

Russia actually uses the term Suwalki corridor
between Kaliningrad and Belarus.
There is a possibility that these three banana states will beseparated from Europe if Russia occupies Suwalki corridor.

possibility quite low

considering they can't even handle Ukraine

if they tried they'd get their asses handed to them

especially with a good chunk of their forces bogged down in Ukraine

[Yzermandius19]

10 hours ago, Iceni warrior said:

Nice source Ivan.

ad hominem

Facebook and Instagram censorship is a badge of honor

attack the message not the messenger

[athos]

Cleaning Mauripol house by house continues!
Residents of Mariupol are showing Russian army army where Nazi Azov militants could be housed.

https://streamable.com/v5nlgf

 

 

[athos]

Mariupol resident Ljubov Ustinova said neo-Nazis from Azov were proud to brutally kill city dwellers.
 

https://streamable.com/la1qy4

 

[ExFlyer]

On 3/24/2022 at 2:52 AM, athos said:

Mariupol resident Ljubov Ustinova said neo-Nazis from Azov were proud to brutally kill city dwellers.
 

https://streamable.com/la1qy4

 

As I understand the Azov regiment was pro Ukraine ad defended Ukraine against the Russians and was incorporated into the Ukraine military in 2022.  They are fighting the Russians and the Ukraine needs everyone to help them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

 

[-TSS-]

When Russian leaders say they are going to restore the Soviet Union you think they mean the borders but actually they mean the standard of living. 

[taxme]

On 3/6/2022 at 9:08 AM, WestCanMan said:

This is a thread to just talk about the war and the events of the war in a non-partisan manner.

The "Dummying" Thread is more about Biden's ineptitude and the damage done, but we're past that now and people are dying. It's just a war, and Dem Presidents are not getting killed in it. 

Map of the hotspots: 

https://liveuamap.com

Casualties:

Ukranians were claiming that 352 Ukranian civilians were killed and 1700 were injured. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/24/russia-ukraine-invasion-casualties-death-toll

Zelensy claims that "almost 10,000 Russian soldiers have been killed": 

 

I'm not sure if the Ukrainians know how propaganda works, or if they know how math works, but if Russian troops really came in and killed so few people, while taking such heavy losses, while enjoying such a massive military advantage and so many soft targets to hit, then they really are doing a masterful job of staging a bloodless war and they're to be commended for their restraint. 

Are there US biolabs in Ukraine? 

Some say yes: https://www.plenglish.com/news/2022/03/04/u-s-chemical-weapons-manufacturing-in-ukraine-revealed/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=u-s-chemical-weapons-manufacturing-in-ukraine-revealed 

Some say no: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/02/25/fact-check-claim-us-biolabs-ukraine-disinformation/6937923001/

Even if the first part is true we will never know so it's a moot point. Russia will say yes, America will say no, and never the twain shall meet. End of story.

What's for sure is that if Ukraine joined NATO, there absolutely would be bioweapons and strategic nukes in eastern Ukraine, regardless of what treaties and conventions say. 

Cuban Missile Crisis:

The similarities between this war and the Cuban missile crisis are obvious. If Russia allows Ukraine to join NATO they are screwed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis

For the people who say that Russia had no right/need to invade Ukraine, I would just be interested in 1) whether or not you feel like the US had the right to block Russian missiles from entering the sovereign nation of Cuba, who wanted the Russians there and 2) how this is any different from the Cuban Missile Crisis? Of course actual war broke out here, but the US also threatened war with Russia if they didn't relent in Cuba. 

Fascist Zelensky just seized control of the media in Ukraine. Why? What is he afraid of? That maybe the other side of the story of his corrupt BiDumb alliance may get exposed by chance? 

The fascist has also banned all other political parties, apparently to try and stop dis and misinformation. What dis or misinformation is he talking about? Is he afraid of what other  political party leaders have to say about his corrupt fascist regime? 

When a political leader has to seize control of the media, and bans all other political parties, there must be something going on here? Something big to hide. 

This whole Russian/Ukraine feud kind of reminds me of how the Canadian MSM went bonkers over covid. Constant brainwashing every day that if we do not wear masks or get fully vaccinated we are all going to die.

All this 24 hours of this Russian/Ukraine feud smacks of just more lying and more brainwashing fascist bull chit. So many kept in the dark peasants seems to enjoy their daily pablum of nonsense and lies. When will they ever get it? Probably never.

Aw well. Carry on, Canada. ? 

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, -TSS- said:

When Russian leaders say they are going to restore the Soviet Union you think they mean the borders but actually they mean the standard of living. 

this is a formation war, of a new Western European nation

we will free them from the Russians, no matter how long it takes

there is nothing the Kremlin can do to stop us

they will simply impale themselves upon their own spears

Slava Ukraini, Geroyim Slava

 

[Dougie93]

Russia is "scaling back" its war aims

the Russians have surpassed their culminating point, running out of supplies

the retreat to the Donbass has begun

 

[athos]

In the village of Nikolaevka near Kiev, 61 Ukrainian servicemen of the command post surrendered, of which more than half were senior officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

[Dougie93]

based on the Russians apparent movement

they are effectively abandoning the northern campaign

giving up on taking Kyiv

they are shifting to the Donbass now

to either encircle the Ukrainian army or force them to withdraw

taking a crescent of occupied territory from Kherson to Luhansk

that seems to be the exit strategy now

basically 2014 status quo, plus a land corridor to Crimea

Pyrrhic victory at best

 

now let's review the strategic costs

1. Putin is the father of Ukraine, he has made the Ukrainian nation state

Ukraine is lost to the Russian empire forever therein

2. Russia is once again isolated behind an Iron Curtain

the damage to the economy will take decades to repair

3. Russia is now totally reliant on China

when China is actually their mortal enemy

4. Putin has united NATO

the alliance has purpose again, Cold War Two ftw

5. the Russians have been exposed as being paper tigers

their adversaries see that they can't fight their way out of a wet paper bag

the Donbass is a sinkhole anyways

Ukraine is better off without it

let the Russians have it, it's not worth the trouble

let the insurgency maul them from Kherson

Ukraine meanwhile, will be the Israel of Eastern Europe now

a NATO armed & trained fortress, growing stronger all the time

the Russians have impaled themselves upon this war

 

 

[taxme]

18 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Russia is "scaling back" its war aims

the Russians have surpassed their culminating point, running out of supplies

the retreat to the Donbass has begun

 

That is what Putin wants. He wants to protect Donbass and Luhansk from being a part of the Ukraine pretty much any longer. The citizen's of those two places are of Russian origin and are pretty much Russians anyway. That is why Putin is backing off. He does not want to have anything to do with the rest of the Ukraine. It's not worth the effort anymore. Let BiDumb and America keep the rest of Ukraine. 

Some wife of a former MP for Ukraine was just caught trying to smuggle well over a million dollars out of Ukraine at the Hungarian border. She was cought with approx. six suitcases full of American and Euros. These Zelensky types are professional criminals. They keep stealing money from the people of Ukraine. Putin is not the enemy of Ukraine. The government is the enemy. Putin just threw a wrench into Ukraine corrupt politics. ? 

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, taxme said:

That is what Putin wants. He wants to protect Donbass and Luhansk from being a part of the Ukraine pretty much any longer. The citizen's of those two places are of Russian origin and are pretty much Russians anyway. That is why Putin is backing off. He does not want to have anything to do with the rest of the Ukraine. It's not worth the effort anymore. Let BiDumb and America keep the rest of Ukraine. 

Some wife of a former MP for Ukraine was just caught trying to smuggle well over a million dollars out of Ukraine at the Hungarian border. She was cought with approx. six suitcases full of American and Euros. These Zelensky types are professional criminals. They keep stealing money from the people of Ukraine. Putin is not the enemy of Ukraine. The government is the enemy. Putin just threw a wrench into Ukraine corrupt politics. ? 

1. Putin is the father of Ukraine, he has made the Ukrainian nation state

Ukraine is lost to the Russian empire forever therein

2. Russia is once again isolated behind an Iron Curtain

the damage to the economy will take decades to repair

3. Russia is now totally reliant on China

when China is actually their mortal enemy

4. Putin has united NATO

the alliance has purpose again, Cold War Two ftw

5. the Russians have been exposed as being paper tigers

their adversaries see that they can't fight their way out of a wet paper bag

Slava Ukraini

Urah ! Urah ! Urah !

 

[-TSS-]

In Russia you must be well over 40 years of age, at least in the big cities, to have any memory of serious economic difficulties and shortages of all basic things.

The younger generation is used to an almost western kind of lifestyle. It is going to be a rude awakening to a cabbage soup-economy and certainly not going to make them supporters of the regime and its policies.

[ExFlyer]

On 3/25/2022 at 3:18 PM, -TSS- said:

When Russian leaders say they are going to restore the Soviet Union you think they mean the borders but actually they mean the standard of living. 

And the borders.
Thing is, a lot of leaders of countries and NATO are doing a lot of talking but, the end result will be that Putin gets what he wants. Call him a war criminal all they want but he will remain untouchable.

We have seen outrage from democratic countries before but end result is the dictator wins.

The only way Ukraine remains independent is if real NATO involvement happens.

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, -TSS- said:

In Russia you must be well over 40 years of age, at least in the big cities, to have any memory of serious economic difficulties and shortages of all basic things.

The younger generation is used to an almost western kind of lifestyle. It is going to be a rude awakening to a cabbage soup-economy and certainly not going to make them supporters of the regime and its policies.

agreed

it's a Russian population now which has been raised in the cushy globalized world

suddenly cast back forty years into the bread lines and war scares of 1983

Perestroika 2.0

the Soviet people were conditioned to it

the Russian Millennials & Zoomers are being cast back into a harsh realm that they never knew

ultimate strategic defeat

while the Ukrainian nation rises like a phoenix in the fires of their formation war

they are already freer than any Russian citizen

 

Edited March 26, 2022 by Dougie93

[WestCanMan]

On 3/25/2022 at 12:41 PM, taxme said:

Fascist Zelensky just seized control of the media in Ukraine. Why? What is he afraid of? That maybe the other side of the story of his corrupt BiDumb alliance may get exposed by chance? 

The fascist has also banned all other political parties, apparently to try and stop dis and misinformation. What dis or misinformation is he talking about? Is he afraid of what other  political party leaders have to say about his corrupt fascist regime? 

When a political leader has to seize control of the media, and bans all other political parties, there must be something going on here? Something big to hide. 

This whole Russian/Ukraine feud kind of reminds me of how the Canadian MSM went bonkers over covid. Constant brainwashing every day that if we do not wear masks or get fully vaccinated we are all going to die.

All this 24 hours of this Russian/Ukraine feud smacks of just more lying and more brainwashing fascist bull chit. So many kept in the dark peasants seems to enjoy their daily pablum of nonsense and lies. When will they ever get it? Probably never.

Aw well. Carry on, Canada. ? 

Now he's doing this the Dem/Lib way, CBC must be gushing.