Jack9000 Posted March 13, 2022 Author Report Posted March 13, 2022 43 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: You just want Brown because you hope he’ll have Liberal policies. No. no because more chance he will win the cpc like the old PC's which is a decent alternative Quote PROUD NDP SUPPORTER. #SINGHOUT
Michael Hardner Posted March 13, 2022 Report Posted March 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Jack9000 said: no because more chance he will win the cpc like the old PC's which is a decent alternative I just want the crazies to go to the PPC then stop voting... 2 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Jack9000 Posted March 13, 2022 Author Report Posted March 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said: I just want the crazies to go to the PPC then stop voting... they hang in the cpc because they know under ppc they dont got a chance of winning but can steal a seat under the cpc brand name Quote PROUD NDP SUPPORTER. #SINGHOUT
Army Guy Posted March 13, 2022 Report Posted March 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, Moonbox said: It is about you and your crappy attitude and what you're saying. Complaining about how divided we are after telling us, is foolish, and that should be self-evident. YOU have decided that people who don't agree with you are 100% opposite of you. YOU have drawn an arbitrary line in the sand and proclaimed that everyone on the other side is against you, and that you have nothing in common and can find no common ground. YOU have decided this is a battle where one side wins over the other, and no compromise is possible. Your anger and frustration doesn't make this intellectually compromised viewpoint any more rational. It's a hypocrisy sandwiched in irony...or maybe irony sandwiched in hypocrisy. Ok it is all about me then, I have a piss poor attitude..... my attitude has infected everyone's else attitude Canada wide ...I'll take ownership of it all.... your turn, want to join me up here or are you still in denial.. Yes i have drawn a line in the sand... you don't have to like it or support it, you yourself have drawn lines in the sand in regards to your choices as well, and i don't remember giving you a hard time about those choices" if Pierre is chosen he will not get my vote" kind of a double standard is there not... it looks that way for where I'm sitting... I have asked you a couple of times to tell me what the Left has in common with the right ...and have heard nothing in return... And right now in todays world i truly do not have anything in common with any of the left...and some how that is a bad thing....And elections are battles to see who wins and who losses...I did not invent that, it is how democracy works... And i did not say that compromise was not possible your the one that suggested that, after i said what have the cons not compromised on... and gave you a list...I just warms my heart that the left is so willing to compromise on their morals and values to be so cooperative with all side of the political spectrum...it is why under todays liberals the country is so unite....I could give you another list of examples if you want... You have no idea what my anger and frustrations stem from, nor do you really care. As long as i do not conform to your ideals then i am the chosen enemy... I am what is wrong with this country, in your opinion...I'll own that as well but it is not going to change anything, and if you can't see how divided our country is, maybe that is my fault as well for not being able to articulate that as well ... but at some point you'll have to get out of the rose garden and see the world for what it truly is...And your not going to like it either... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Michael Hardner Posted March 13, 2022 Report Posted March 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jack9000 said: they hang in the cpc because they know under ppc they dont got a chance of winning but can steal a seat under the cpc brand name They really have to quit the CPC though... I mean it's SO leftist that they have Climate Change plans... 2 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Queenmandy85 Posted March 13, 2022 Report Posted March 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Yes i have drawn a line in the sand... you don't have to like it or support it, you yourself have drawn lines in the sand in regards to your choices as well, and i don't remember giving you a hard time about those choices" if Pierre is chosen he will not get my vote" kind of a double standard is there not... it looks that way for where I'm sitting... The nice thing about lines in sand is they are not permanent. Carved in stone is also temporary, it just takes longer to vanish. We all have double standards. If you want to win, you need to be flexible. If you would rather stick to an ideology than win, get out of politics. 2 Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
Army Guy Posted March 13, 2022 Report Posted March 13, 2022 50 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: When they do work together such as the NAFTA treaty, the Covid 19 response and Putin's War, it is amazing how well the system works. Much of what we see in Parliament is theatre. It has been for 850 years and in the Canadian version, it has worked quite well. Politics is a sport. A vibrant democracy depends on the participants having fun with it. Our MPs will enjoy the cut and thrust of the House, but they also establish life long friendships with their opponents. They do work together on the important things and when they lose a fight, they lose gracefully. The same goes for victory. Not so sure that NAFTA is a good example of working together....it was not really a win was it... And covid response is not a win either... Putin's war was the first time i did not see the infighting and bickering, but even that was not a complete win, many questions remain, such as spending or preparing our military to live up to NATO commitments, it also brings up questions about what to do about NA energy supply and how unstable it really is, not to mention becasue we are not prepared in our energy sector we can not really contribute anything to Europe's issues... Politics is more than a sport it is shaping our nation for the future, it may be a sport to many politicians to me it is my live...my families future... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted March 13, 2022 Report Posted March 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: The nice thing about lines in sand is they are not permanent. Carved in stone is also temporary, it just takes longer to vanish. We all have double standards. If you want to win, you need to be flexible. If you would rather stick to an ideology than win, get out of politics. It has never really been about lines in the sand, it has been about putting out a platform that is conservative in nature, based on conservative values, and hey if the center wants to tag along for the ride fine, do that... my beef or point is that platform should not be about watering down this values to the point it attracts more of the center, or even the left... Want left vote left...Canada does not need 4 left parties and one right wing fringe party...(not sure why that is a complicated concept for some) ... And if the conservatives do not win... then that is how democracy works, and if that happens to be Justin again, then thats what the people wanted, here is the ugly part it is what they deserve... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Zeitgeist Posted March 13, 2022 Report Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) Self-determination, opportunity, and liberty must always be central in a healthy democracy. Without a clear, present, powerful threat to justify the temporary suspension of constitutional rights, our freedoms must be defended to the hilt. Otherwise, I don’t know what the purpose is of a nation state. Oppression is never a step up. It’s not just in terms of rights either. It’s economic. The cost of living must be affordable such that with some reasonable effort people can own a home, have efficient transportation, some travel or respite, healthy food, the opportunity to participate in community events (religious, recreational, athletic, political, or otherwise), and people who are unable to work or who become incapacitated in some way need to be protected and have a reasonable income. Economic and political security go hand in hand. Affordable, abundant, and secure energy supply is essential to this. Having a strong military defence is also essential to protecting these living standards, rights, and quality of life. Edited March 13, 2022 by Zeitgeist Quote
Army Guy Posted March 13, 2022 Report Posted March 13, 2022 26 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: They really have to quit the CPC though... I mean it's SO leftist that they have Climate Change plans... Becasue the current climate plan is working so good...but atleast it is sort of a plan right... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted March 13, 2022 Report Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Army Guy said: I have asked you a couple of times to tell me what the Left has in common with the right ...and have heard nothing in return... And right now in todays world i truly do not have anything in common with any of the left...and some how that is a bad thing.... What the left and right most have in common with each other is that both sides are mischaracterizing the other and maintaining the most extreme views coming from their outliers are the best indicators of where each side is centered on. Too many partisans have or are losing their grip and are almost always talking right past one another. Our best indicator of this is the widespread common conviction that all roads lead to dictatorship which is silly of course but it is what it is. Edited March 13, 2022 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Queenmandy85 Posted March 13, 2022 Report Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said: Having a strong military defence is also essential to protecting these living standards, rights, and quality of life. I have advocated for a strong military for almost 60 years. We only have one theoretical invasion threat and that is the United States. Obviously, that is the remotest possibility. If Russia attacks a NATO country, the number of troops, tanks, combat aircraft and ships is irrelevant. There will be a few days of conventional combat followed by a series of nuclear exchanges that would last about the time it takes for the New York Yankees to play the Toronto Bluejays. Within a month, most of the population of the world will be dead. Edited March 13, 2022 by Queenmandy85 Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
Queenmandy85 Posted March 13, 2022 Report Posted March 13, 2022 Z, you still have me hanging in anticipation for your reply as to what private property you own that is at risk from the government? If you would rather not disclose, that's okay, just let me know. Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
Zeitgeist Posted March 13, 2022 Report Posted March 13, 2022 22 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: Z, you still have me hanging in anticipation for your reply as to what private property you own that is at risk from the government? If you would rather not disclose, that's okay, just let me know. No it’s not about what I own. I’m not a wealthy man. We have to ensure that people have the right to what they build and create. If the state can control or seize what you put out into the universe, that’s slavery in a very fundamental way. Quote
Queenmandy85 Posted March 13, 2022 Report Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: No it’s not about what I own. I’m not a wealthy man. We have to ensure that people have the right to what they build and create. If the state can control or seize what you put out into the universe, that’s slavery in a very fundamental way. What is the Crown going to seize that isn't her's by right? Your view of slavery is very broad. Edited March 13, 2022 by Queenmandy85 Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
ironstone Posted March 13, 2022 Report Posted March 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said: The nice thing about lines in sand is they are not permanent. Carved in stone is also temporary, it just takes longer to vanish. We all have double standards. If you want to win, you need to be flexible. If you would rather stick to an ideology than win, get out of politics. I think it's more accurate that if you want to win, you have to tell people what they want to hear. That means different speeches for different audiences. It's a pity that most politicians have this same strategy, say whatever it takes to win and to hell with the people after that. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
Queenmandy85 Posted March 13, 2022 Report Posted March 13, 2022 A great Conservative once said, "If we told you what we were going to do, you wouldn't have voted for us." (the Rt. Hon. John Crosby) The problem is, voters do not have an accurate appreciation of what a Government can do and what it can't do. We begged the government to get us all vaccianted against Covid 19 but then shut down the country to protest vaccine mandates. We want a stong military but we don't want to pay taxes to fund it or serve in it. Governing is the process of balancing conflicting demands. Anyone who thinks it is easy is ill informed. I have great respect for anyone who serves in government, even members of the reform party. Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
Moonbox Posted March 13, 2022 Report Posted March 13, 2022 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: Ok it is all about me then, I have a piss poor attitude..... my attitude has infected everyone's else attitude Canada wide ...I'll take ownership of it all.... your turn, want to join me up here or are you still in denial.. You do realize that you can be plural, right? ? 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: Yes i have drawn a line in the sand... you don't have to like it or support it, you yourself have drawn lines in the sand in regards to your choices as well, and i don't remember giving you a hard time about those choices" if Pierre is chosen he will not get my vote" kind of a double standard is there not... it looks that way for where I'm sitting... My line in the sand is Pierre Poilievre and the worm that he is. I won't vote for him, nor will most of Canada. Your line in the sand is that people who don't vote for him are 100% opposite of you, as if they're an alien species or they come from China or something. 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: I have asked you a couple of times to tell me what the Left has in common with the right because it's a retarded question and misses the point entirely. The "left" that you keep referring to isn't a specific identity, nor is the "right". There's a wide range of attitudes in Canada and many of them overlap. Before the clown parade infested this board, I'd have considered myself right-of-centre. I've never liked Trudeau. I'm 100% pro-pipelines. I'm 100% against ineffective green energy spending (like Ontario's Green Shift). I'd like to see the public service shrink and think they're grossly overpaid. I think wokeness has gone too far. Because I supported vaccine mandates and thought the Freedom Convoy was stupid, however, I'm a left-woke-totalitarian-fascist, and Pierre Poilievre would agree with you. Oooookay. ? Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Moonbox Posted March 13, 2022 Report Posted March 13, 2022 3 hours ago, Infidel Dog said: Now you have me curious. I'm curious how far you're willing to take that obvious lie. So which conservative did you vote for? I've voted PC in every Ontario provincial election. I voted for Harper every time but the first time he ran (Paul Martin instead) and then voted against Trudeau in every election except for the last one, and only because I supported the mandates and I couldn't tell wtf O'Toole was about or what he stood for. Even then, I regretted it by early 2022 and think Trudeau's done exactly what I feared he would - polarize Canada and turn Alberta and the Prairies against the rest of the country just like his father did. Regardless, Pierre Poilievre will just throw more gasoline on the fire. Picking another divisive idiot as a counter-movement against Trudeau doesn't fix anything. It just feels good to hear your anger and frustration validated by someone. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
West Posted March 13, 2022 Report Posted March 13, 2022 I dont see Polieve as divisive. He called out Trudeau for billions of dollars to a sketchy charity that was giving Trudeau's family members big money for "speeches". If that makes him divisive, then so be it. Quote
Moonbox Posted March 13, 2022 Report Posted March 13, 2022 20 minutes ago, West said: I dont see Polieve as divisive. He called out Trudeau for billions of dollars to a sketchy charity that was giving Trudeau's family members big money for "speeches". If that makes him divisive, then so be it. Who was complaining about that, exactly? Nobody!? Was that just another pointless red herring? Sure was. Pierre Poilievre's divisiveness is on full-display just in how he attacks Jean Charest as "un-Conservative." From the outset, he's aiming to exclude and shrink the tent. That's a great way of getting the base in Alberta all fired up, but the small-c conservatives among whom Charest is popular are effectively being told, "You're not welcome". That's basically all of Quebec, the Maritimes and urban Canada. Great strategy. ? Before you natter on about Charest being a Quebec Liberal, there is no real Federalist Conservative Party in Quebec. It's the Liberals or a separatist party. Just like how the PC's in Ontario are very different from the federal Tories, so too are the Quebec Liberals way different than the Federal ones. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
West Posted March 13, 2022 Report Posted March 13, 2022 18 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Who was complaining about that, exactly? Nobody!? Was that just another pointless red herring? Sure was. Pierre Poilievre's divisiveness is on full-display just in how he attacks Jean Charest as "un-Conservative." From the outset, he's aiming to exclude and shrink the tent. That's a great way of getting the base in Alberta all fired up, but the small-c conservatives among whom Charest is popular are effectively being told, "You're not welcome". That's basically all of Quebec, the Maritimes and urban Canada. Great strategy. ? Before you natter on about Charest being a Quebec Liberal, there is no real Federalist Conservative Party in Quebec. It's the Liberals or a separatist party. Just like how the PC's in Ontario are very different from the federal Tories, so too are the Quebec Liberals way different than the Federal ones. Jean Cherest is unconservative. What kind of conservative wants a carbon tax especially when gas is $2 a liter? 2 Quote
Queenmandy85 Posted March 13, 2022 Report Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, West said: Jean Cherest is unconservative. What kind of conservative wants a carbon tax especially when gas is $2 a liter? Conservatives who don't want their great grand children barbecued. You have a choice - get people to reduce their carbon emissions through taxes or rationing. Rationing is a lot more complicated and expensive. If you are bothered by the price of gas, buy an electric car. If you want Prime Minister Trudeau out, back either Charest or Brown. If you want Trudeau to stay in office forever, support Poilievre. Edited March 13, 2022 by Queenmandy85 Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
West Posted March 13, 2022 Report Posted March 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Queenmandy85 said: Conservatives who don't want their great grand children barbecued. You have a choice - get people to reduce their carbon emissions through taxes or rationing. Rationing is a lot more complicated and expensive. If you are bothered by the price of gas, buy an electric car. If you want Prime Minister Trudeau out, back either Charest or Brown. Yes give the government your money of we are all gonna die. Quote
Queenmandy85 Posted March 13, 2022 Report Posted March 13, 2022 We are all going to die. Is that some kind of revelation? ? Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
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