Moonbox Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 Or maybe it's not, and all of this wailing and gnashing of teeth is just a lot of lame coping with Canada moving in a direction you can't handle. Too bad, so sad. As for poverty, our debt levels are miles better than the Americans, so maybe you can go to Florida and help them sort it all out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Or maybe it's not, and all of this wailing and gnashing of teeth is just a lot of lame coping with Canada moving in a direction you can't handle. Too bad, so sad. As for poverty, our debt levels are miles better than the Americans, so maybe you can go to Florida and help them sort it all out. You don’t understand or care about the impact of high food and energy costs on people. Just stay away from the groups that are advocating for regular working people. Oppressors aren’t welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 22 hours ago, Moonbox said: Where I'm going with this is that your attitude sucks. This is the dictionary definition of polarization - us vs them. It's a thoughtless, immature and utterly unproductive way of thinking and will achieve nothing but more division. There is a wide spectrum of political attitudes in Canada, from the furthest left to the furthest right and everything in between. The notion that these fall into two camps of "conservatives" or "liberals" and that they're 100% different is frankly stupid, and that should be self-evident. My attitude sucks ? OK sure, This is not about me, or my attitude, this is about the condition of the country right now, and how divided we are... You don't have to go looking far, just look at this forum, for a perfect example... My Attitude FFS give me a break....This is about the countries attitude, you can blame me if you want, but you and me are included in all ot that.... .and right now change, well thats is not going to happen.....And if you think for one moment that it is just a Liberal / conservative thing your wrong... there are plenty of sources that are tearing this country apart, to the point where is no debate let alone having civil discourse with anyone not in your group of beliefs... A good portion of Canadians are not even interested in what is going on in this nation, they don't care if it does not involve them or effect their lives then they don't give a shit... why is that, they don't have faith or trust in anything in our political realm, And that unshakable attitude one man can not make a difference....at any level, and those that do believe are nose blind to all the shit their parties are doing, making excuses for their actions hence why nobody is held accountable, or why nobody trusts anything about the system.....and when people do speak out it is absolutely mayhem... I personal don't give a rats ass how many political attitudes their are in this country...the basic break down is the majority is all the different forms of left and the minority is all the different forms of right. You may think well thats a retarded way of thinking... but it is a fact, tell me the right and left are compatible in every way, convince me that YOU or any other could have them sit done and talk and come up with a compromise on any topic that would be acceptable to "everyone" on the right and left. It has come to the point where some topics are strictly off limits, absolutely no discussion at all...Abortion, gay rights, what our kids are being taught in school, climate change, Covid, the list goes on and on...I did say discuss, and not yelling over the next guy to be heard, or everyone's favorite personal attacks because we don't know how to discuss things or nothing is going to change their minds.. did i say nothing...so any effort to try and discuss is a waste of air, and effort...this is the attitude i am talking about...we all have it including you... I have positioned myself on the right side of the political spectrum...not the left side of it not the far right side of it...but right in the middle... and i don't see that changing anytime soon... There are very few ideas coming out of the left i understand or agree with period.. Such as the greens , no more oil leave it in the ground..., NDP and it's need for all these expensive social programs, and the liberals attitude on anything, we support it , we will talk a good game ,but we will do nothing about it, except shout down the opposition that they are doing stuff...I know all wild lies.... Canadian politics is not designed to have everyone working together, it is designed to be divisive, to attack others faults with vigor, it is designed to remain in office... It is not designed to run the nation to flourish or accomplish things that are best for the entire nation...it is designed so what ever is popular with the majority is best option... which might work if the whole nation was interested but it is not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenmandy85 Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) Mr. Poilievre is tainted with the remnents of the toxic Reform / Social Credit experiment, making him unacceptable. Prime Minister Harper carried that baggage as well, but he made a point of suppressing it. Whether a government is grit or tory doesn't matter because governments can only choose from a few narrow, pragmatic options. When a government drifts outside those few options in persuit of some ideological fantasy, they court disaster. Governments require pragmatism. They must reflect the electorate, not some haywire base like the NDP or the reformers. Edited March 13, 2022 by Queenmandy85 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 21 hours ago, Jack9000 said: with chong saying he's not running Charest and Brown are the only 2 who would keep the CPC somewhat normal and avoid becoming PPC lite. PPC lite, man that is a reach...please point out to all that will make them PPC lite.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack9000 Posted March 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 17 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: I’d rather the Conservatives be conservatives and keep you, Jack9000, eyeball, and the other commie nutters in the Liberal Party. We’ll just wait until your mismanagement of the country becomes so painfully obvious that the public finally realizes they’ve fallen off a cliff and only a counter-movement can bring them back. Why poison the well? I voted Ndp last election fool lol and calling me a commie is laughable. CPC isn't even a conservative party its the reform with a different name to cover it atm... thats why brown or charest need to win 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack9000 Posted March 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 Just now, Army Guy said: PPC lite, man that is a reach...please point out to all that will make them PPC lite.... if lewis or especially Pierre win it would be ppc lite... not brown and charest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: Mr. Poilievre is tainted with the remnents of the toxic Reform / Social Credit experiment making him unacceptable. Prime Minister Harper carried that baggage as well, but he made a point of suppressing it. Whether a government is grit or tory doesn't matter because governments can only choose from a few narrow, pragmatic options. When a government drifts outside those few options in persuit of some ideological fantasy, they court disaster. Governments require pragmatism. They must reflect the electorate, not some haywire base like the NDP or the reformers. There’s nothing to fear about Polievre. He wants to protect constitutional rights and ensure that Canadians aren’t overtaxed or punished by carbon taxes and policies that don’t serve Canadians. The Trudeau-Freeland-Singh government are very comfortable with their high paying positions and international audience. They’ve bought into international narratives that are heavily controlled by global elites and a Chinese-led perspective. Supporting this government or trying to make the Conservatives more like this government is a road to ruin for Canada. We already see the costs of shutting down our oil and gas sector. Our cost of living is skyrocketing, so no, the answer is not to expand these perspectives into the opposition parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack9000 Posted March 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: Mr. Poilievre is tainted with the remnents of the toxic Reform / Social Credit experiment making him unacceptable. Prime Minister Harper carried that baggage as well, but he made a point of suppressing it. Whether a government is grit or tory doesn't matter because governments can only choose from a few narrow, pragmatic options. When a government drifts outside those few options in persuit of some ideological fantasy, they court disaster. Governments require pragmatism. They must reflect the electorate, not some haywire base like the NDP or the reformers. hey now dont label NDP base with reformers.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Jack9000 said: if lewis or especially Pierre win it would be ppc lite... not brown and charest Keep voting NDP. They’re as close to your commie perspective as it gets. They don’t support property rights and they consider working people deplorables. They’ll support any Liberal policy to maintain their power. Stay away from the Conservatives. Edited March 13, 2022 by Zeitgeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack9000 Posted March 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 3 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: that's because the Liberals and Conservatives are basically identical meanwhile we have fools like Moonbox who think the CPC never compromises and is too far to the right to win when they are further left than they've ever been and losing only the far left thinks there is some big difference between the CPC and LPC so pandering to them when they will never vote for the CPC no matter how far left they go is asinine i am not far left and can tell the difference between cpc and lpc wake up dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack9000 Posted March 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said: Keep voting NDP. Stay away from the Conservatives. May join the party actually to vote for Brown in leadership actually we will see wanna see what he runs on first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Jack9000 said: May join the party actually to vote for Brown in leadership actually we will see wanna see what he runs on first. You just want Brown because you hope he’ll have Liberal policies. No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenmandy85 Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Canadian politics is not designed to have everyone working together, it is designed to be divisive, to attack others faults with vigor, it is designed to remain in office.. When they do work together such as the NAFTA treaty, the Covid 19 response and Putin's War, it is amazing how well the system works. Much of what we see in Parliament is theatre. It has been for 850 years and in the Canadian version, it has worked quite well. Politics is a sport. A vibrant democracy depends on the participants having fun with it. Our MPs will enjoy the cut and thrust of the House, but they also establish life long friendships with their opponents. They do work together on the important things and when they lose a fight, they lose gracefully. The same goes for victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: Mr. Poilievre is tainted with the remnents of the toxic Reform / Social Credit experiment making him unacceptable. Prime Minister Harper carried that baggage as well, but he made a point of suppressing it. Whether a government is grit or tory doesn't matter because governments can only choose from a few narrow, pragmatic options. When a government drifts outside those few options in persuit of some ideological fantasy, they court disaster. Governments require pragmatism. They must reflect the electorate, not some haywire base like the NDP or the reformers. A vote for Justin, well you already know what your going to get...you decide what Justin has done in the last 8 years .. keep in mind he does have 8 years of history in the job right now, so excepting any major changes is false hope...or you can vote for Conservative whom ever that may be, and hope they will atleast try and accomplish something, like you said they are really held to few options, so what could truly happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenmandy85 Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: They don’t support property rights Just for clarity, what do you mean by property rights? What form of property do you own that is in danger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, Jack9000 said: if lewis or especially Pierre win it would be ppc lite... not brown and charest Well that explains it all, thank you... should i ask again for why or am i wasting my time ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, Army Guy said: My attitude sucks ? OK sure, This is not about me, or my attitude, this is about the condition of the country right now, and how divided we are... It is about you and your crappy attitude and what you're saying. Complaining about how divided we are after telling us, 12 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Conservatives are completely opposite of liberal voters 100 % with a huge divide between, bordering on dislike really, hate is to strong a word.... is foolish, and that should be self-evident. YOU have decided that people who don't agree with you are 100% opposite of you. YOU have drawn an arbitrary line in the sand and proclaimed that everyone on the other side is against you, and that you have nothing in common and can find no common ground. YOU have decided this is a battle where one side wins over the other, and no compromise is possible. Your anger and frustration doesn't make this intellectually compromised viewpoint any more rational. It's a hypocrisy sandwiched in irony...or maybe irony sandwiched in hypocrisy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenmandy85 Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 Just now, Army Guy said: A vote for Justin, well you already know what your going to get...you decide what Justin has done in the last 8 years .. keep in mind he does have 8 years of history in the job right now, so excepting any major changes is false hope...or you can vote for Conservative whom ever that may be, and hope they will atleast try and accomplish something, like you said they are really held to few options, so what could truly happen. NAFTA, and the best record in mitigating the covid disaster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: NAFTA, and the best record in mitigating the covid disaster. And the most anti-constitutional, ant-democratic, oppressive member of the G7? Edited March 13, 2022 by Zeitgeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: Just for clarity, what do you mean by property rights? What form of property do you own that is in danger? The NDP opposed constitutional protection of private property. It’s not in our constitution because of the NDP. Government can take your hard-earned stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: Just for clarity, what do you mean by property rights? What form of property do you own that is in danger? Their are no property rights within Canada, be it in the form of land or personal processions, any of it can be taken away, normally they will compensate "what they call fair market value" but it is going to be well below what you have paid for it...but in some cases they can take it away with very little to no compensation at all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenmandy85 Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Your anger Anger has no place in politics. It is the enemy of democracy. Even I, who lived under the 20 year reign of WAC Bennett, don't hate reform and socialist credit. I vehemently disagree with their kleptocracy, but there is no place for anger or hate in politics. As for Mr. Brown and Mr. Charest, both have proven administrative experience. Both are pragmatists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenmandy85 Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: And the most anti-constitutional, ant-democratic, oppressive member of the G7? I believe you are thinking of President Trump. 5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: The NDP opposed constitutional protection of private property. It’s not in our constitution because of the NDP. Government can take your hard-earned stuff. You still haven't specified what private property you own that they would take? I'm not sure what exactly you are worried about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 10 hours ago, Moonbox said: I've voted Conservative...like 90% of the time. Now you have me curious. I'm curious how far you're willing to take that obvious lie. So which conservative did you vote for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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