TreeBeard Posted February 3, 2022 Report Posted February 3, 2022 30 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said: Trudeau is... uh... the embodiment of substance... uh. You translated my post into that??? You’re advocating for voting for style “less cringy”. My question was, isn’t this something Conservatives criticized (rightly)?
500channelsurfer Posted February 3, 2022 Report Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) As soon as Erin O'Toole made his first flip-flop during the election campaign, he was on his way out. The most non flip-flopping name potentially available is Maxime Bernier. The appointment of Candice Bergen shows her party is trending in that direction. Edited February 3, 2022 by 500channelsurfer
OftenWrong Posted February 3, 2022 Report Posted February 3, 2022 8 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said: Erin O'Toole has been removed by a vote of the caucus. Who should replace him. I suspect anyone who could beat Prime Minister Trudeau wouldn't touch the CPC leadership with a 3.5 metre pole. No one should replace him. Disband the CPC, they are the problem. I mean, obviously there's a lot of politics going on behind the scenes, eh? We need a new party, one that is conservative but at the same time, progressive. Or is that like yer oxy-moron? It sounds like it, but it ain't. You know what I'm getting at here. The CPC does not fit or fill the bill for modern Canadian conservatives, whether oxymoronic or not. They are too archaic. Bunch of old men with old and stupid ideas. Whoever's running that show must also be stupid. They soiled themselves when they so publicly voted down Climate change. Mr. O'toole should have politely stepped down right then. 1 1
QuebecOverCanada Posted February 3, 2022 Report Posted February 3, 2022 35 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: You translated my post into that??? You’re advocating for voting for style “less cringy”. My question was, isn’t this something Conservatives criticized (rightly)? To respond to your post, no, I don't think Conservatives are rational and vote for the ideas only, there are also Conservatives who vote for candidates based on charisma and personality. But it self evident isn't it?
TreeBeard Posted February 3, 2022 Report Posted February 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said: To respond to your post, no, I don't think Conservatives are rational and vote for the ideas only, there are also Conservatives who vote for candidates based on charisma and personality. But it self evident isn't it? Can you have a less cringy candidate win an election if the Conservative platform still denies climate change and doesn’t match mainstream Canadian values?
OftenWrong Posted February 3, 2022 Report Posted February 3, 2022 I guess Maxime Bernier is having a glass of wine tonight. 2 1
DogOnPorch Posted February 3, 2022 Report Posted February 3, 2022 Just now, OftenWrong said: I guess Maxime Bernier is having a glass of wine tonight. He sounded sane in an insane world...and they call him mad. 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
TreeBeard Posted February 3, 2022 Report Posted February 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: I guess Maxime Bernier is having a glass of wine tonight. Do you think O’Toole looks at Bernier and wishes he was sitting at home drinking wine cuz he couldn’t win his riding?
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 3, 2022 Report Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) Polievre is the obvious choice if he runs: young, energetic, speaks good French, excellent at parliamentary debate and made-for-tv sound bites. The problem is the party. Unless something drastic happens, and that’s always possible these days, the Canadian political mainstream is a fair bit to the left of the caucus. Whoever wins the leadership can’t move too far from O’Toole’s positions on policy if they wish to be competitive in the next election. Edited February 3, 2022 by SpankyMcFarland
Zeitgeist Posted February 3, 2022 Report Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) I think the the CPC should offer to merge with the PPC and make the following pitch to people who voted Liberal but don’t like restrictions: the CPC-PPC will restore liberal-democratic values and defend your Charter rights against government overreach. Present a more libertarian conservatism and drop the political correctness. People are dying to hear down to earth, relatable politicians. I actually think the Conservatives can be the workers’ party by focusing on cost of living, lower taxes for working people, and supporting essential workers. Edited February 3, 2022 by Zeitgeist
TreeBeard Posted February 3, 2022 Report Posted February 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: I think the the CPC should offer to merge with the PPC and make the following pitch to people who voted Liberal but don’t like restrictions: the CPC-PPC will restore liberal-democratic values and defend your Charter rights against government overreach. Present a more libertarian conservatism and drop the political correctness. People are dying to hear down to earth, relatable politicians. I actually think the Conservatives can be the workers’ party by focusing on cost of living, lower taxes for working people, and supporting essential workers. Do you think an anti-vax message would appeal to enough Canadians to win an election?
Zeitgeist Posted February 3, 2022 Report Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Do you think an anti-vax message would appeal to enough Canadians to win an election? Forget anti-vax. It’s a matter of medical discretion. Should people be able to make decisions about their own healthcare without coercion? It’s a Charter-protected right. The Americans have always had valid criticism of socialized healthcare in this regard: If you can’t choose your doctor, make informed decisions about your own care (rather than let a committee/government tell you what you deserve), and access the best available treatments, your healthcare is second rate. It’s why many Americans fear universal healthcare. Ultimately our controlling approach to healthcare and our lack of ICU capacity makes us a less free country, because we’re compromising our Charter-protections to keep our healthcare system afloat. Edited February 3, 2022 by Zeitgeist
TreeBeard Posted February 3, 2022 Report Posted February 3, 2022 5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Forget anti-vax. It’s a matter of medical discretion. Should people be able to make decisions about their own healthcare without coercion? It’s a Charter-protected right. The Americans have always had valid criticism of socialized healthcare in this regard: If you can’t choose your doctor, make informed decisions about your own care (rather than let a committee/government tell you what you deserve), and access the best available treatments, your healthcare is second rate. It’s why many Americans fear universal healthcare. Ultimately our controlling approach to healthcare and our lack of ICU capacity makes us a less free country, because we’re compromising our Charter-protections to keep our healthcare system afloat. Who has been forced to get a vaccination?
Yzermandius19 Posted February 3, 2022 Report Posted February 3, 2022 18 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Do you think an anti-vax message would appeal to enough Canadians to win an election? don't have to be anti-vax to be anti-mandate conflating the two is disingenuous asshatery 1
Zeitgeist Posted February 3, 2022 Report Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Who has been forced to get a vaccination? That’s ridiculous. People who don’t get vaccinated can and do lose their jobs. They can’t travel on trains or planes or eat in a restaurant. A coerced decision isn’t a free decision. That’s basic. It’s why confessions that come through torture are inadmissible in court. Edited February 3, 2022 by Zeitgeist
TreeBeard Posted February 3, 2022 Report Posted February 3, 2022 5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: People who don’t get vaccinated can and do lose their jobs. They can’t travel on trains or planes or eat in a restaurant. You were under the impression that a pandemic was business as usual and should not affect anyone? Sounds like a matter of education. 1
Zeitgeist Posted February 3, 2022 Report Posted February 3, 2022 Just now, TreeBeard said: You were under the impression that a pandemic was business as usual and should not affect anyone? Sounds like a matter of education. No you’re a public health puritan no different from the kinds of despotic puritans we’ve seen throughout history: Spanish Inquisition, Bloody Mary, Salem Witch Trials, Bolshevik Revolution, McCarthyism, Maoism… A certain amount of death is part of life. You can’t make everyone perfectly safe, and the cost of trying to achieve that is too high. When you compromise basic freedoms to meet a goal of purity, you’ve already compromised the outcome. The eggs you are cracking to “end the pandemic” are the rights and freedoms that make Canada a free and strong country. Covid is here to stay. Drop the totalitarian Puritanism. We need to learn to live with Covid as we live with the flu. Don’t desecrate our Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
TreeBeard Posted February 3, 2022 Report Posted February 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: A certain amount of death is part of life. You don’t think death should be minimized? Do you wear a seatbelt? 1
Yzermandius19 Posted February 3, 2022 Report Posted February 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: You don’t think death should be minimized? Do you wear a seatbelt? you think freedom should be minimized for a false sense of security these mandates are not a seatbelt 1
Zeitgeist Posted February 3, 2022 Report Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: You don’t think death should be minimized? Do you wear a seatbelt? False equivalence. No offence but these are old weak arguments that have already been debated. You don’t appreciate how far-reaching mandates and restrictions are. You can’t enjoy many basic freedoms right now even if you’re vaccinated. The unvaccinated are treated like second class pariahs. You are living under digital totalitarianism. You haven’t absorbed the extent of the loss of freedoms. It’s not worth it. To fight Covid? We’re one of the most vaccinated countries. Our government oppresses its citizens. I’m disgusted by my own country right now. Edited February 3, 2022 by Zeitgeist
TreeBeard Posted February 3, 2022 Report Posted February 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: You can’t enjoy many basic freedoms right now even if you’re vaccinated Like what?
Moonlight Graham Posted February 3, 2022 Report Posted February 3, 2022 13 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: O'Toole never stood a chance against Trudeau why keep him? O'Toole's CPC won the popular vote. They just didn't win Quebec. They need to find Francois O'Toole. "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Moonlight Graham Posted February 3, 2022 Report Posted February 3, 2022 2 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Who has been forced to get a vaccination? Every single civil servant in the federal government that wants to keep their job. "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Moonlight Graham Posted February 3, 2022 Report Posted February 3, 2022 11 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: Candice Bergen would be another good choice. Candice Bergen and Pollievre would be horrible choices and they would lose by a landslide. "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Yzermandius19 Posted February 3, 2022 Report Posted February 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: O'Toole's CPC won the popular vote. They just didn't win Quebec. They need to find Francois O'Toole. popular vote is irrelevant they need to find someone who isn't like O'Toole not a French O'Toole
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