Trucker's Convoy

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 minute ago, myata said:

Sorry is it illegal for a citizen to carry fuel in their city? Or is it the police that's making arbitrary rules for the citizens these days? Gosh I wish there was a way for us to know what is what, and where anymore.

Yes it is illegal to fuel sedition.

[myata]

4 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

illegal to fuel sedition.

And how far is it (from hear) to full thought sedition, dear Comrade Mayor? In no time (historically) we'd be trying to catch up with China, freedom wise. Now is the time to show the world what the prized and envied democracy really looks like.

Edited February 6, 2022 by myata

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

This is extortion. 

So is "take this jab or lose your job."

[myata]

This democracy is seriously sick. If it is still a democracy, that is. I contend that there's no democracy without accountability and responsibility. Elections with only token choice, under government-influenced as is perfectly clear now, media is no guarantee of democracy. Any dictator with a tiny bit of creativity can do that and claim legitimacy to do whatever he likes. Yes, sadly, sounds all too familiar.

Edited February 6, 2022 by myata

[Zeitgeist]

5 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Yes it is illegal to fuel sedition.

You’re using some very old world terms. We’d have to go back to the hunger strikers of the Irish Rebellion or Louis Riel to find similar language.  You’re following an oppressive playbook.  

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

The courts are one venue in which the public can challenge policy.  Protest and influencing MLA’s in the House of Commons is another.  Appealing to the GG and Senate is another.

The public cannot appeal to the GG.  She is not elected and has no power to do anything unless a government is defeated in Parliament by our elected representatives in certain conditions.  The Senate does not make the laws and cannot overrule existing laws.  Protesters can protest to MLA or MPs.  But they cannot over throw government as the manifesto of the convoy leaders says is their goal.  There is nothing to negotiate with such people.

[West]

46 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

https://albertapolitics.ca/2022/02/occupation-of-canadas-national-capital-by-a-lawless-mob-must-end-forthwith/

 

No democracy should allow an insurrection by a group dedicated to the suspension of democracy – which the insurrectionists in Ottawa, despite their constant “freedom” rhetoric, clearly advocate through their stated goal of overthrowing our democratically elected government – to continue longer than it takes to put it down. 

 

I get you lefties may not like the protest but there's no insurrection. Just people having a good time

[West]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

The public cannot appeal to the GG.  She is not elected and has no power to do anything unless a government is defeated in Parliament by our elected representatives in certain conditions.  The Senate does not make the laws and cannot overrule existing laws.  Protesters can protest to MLA or MPs.  But they cannot over throw government as the manifesto of the convoy leaders says is their goal.  There is nothing to negotiate with such people.

The Queen through the GG can dissolve parliament. Please take a civics class

[blackbird]

10 minutes ago, Goddess said:

So is "take this jab or lose your job."

The vast majority of workers have followed the mandates.  Challenges by grievances through unions have been lost.  Check the news article on MSN.

Workplace vaccine mandates being upheld as challenges largely tossed out, experts say (msn.com)

[blackbird]

2 minutes ago, West said:

The Queen through the GG can dissolve parliament. Please take a civics class

Not unless it is through the established Constitutional process.  A government must first fall in Parliament.  The GG cannot dissolve Parliament because of a protest group.  This is child's stuff, which you should have learned long ago.

Edited February 6, 2022 by blackbird

[Goddess]

Just now, blackbird said:

The vast majority of workers have followed the mandates.  Challenges by grievances through unions have been lost.  Check the news article on MSN.

Workplace vaccine mandates being upheld as challenges largely tossed out, experts say (msn.com)

Yes, I'm aware that people are being extorted to get vaccinated.

Hey, we agree on this!

I think it's wrong.

What do you think?

[Zeitgeist]

8 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The public cannot appeal to the GG.  She is not elected and has no power to do anything unless a government is defeated in Parliament by our elected representatives in certain conditions.  The Senate does not make the laws and cannot overrule existing laws.  Protesters can protest to MLA or MPs.  But they cannot over throw government as the manifesto of the convoy leaders says is their goal.  There is nothing to negotiate with such people.

Ha, you don’t know how Parliamentary democracy works.  If the ruling party acts against the interests of the public, the GG can dissolve parliament, forcing an election.

Edited February 6, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

Ha, you don’t know how Parliamentary democracy works.  If the ruling party acts against the interests of the public, the GG can dissolve parliament, forcing an election.

You refuse to accept facts. 

Give me one example of when in history of Canada Parliament has been dissolved by the GG without Parliament first defeating the government.  Just one example.

[Zeitgeist]

From Wikipedia:

“executive authority remains vested in the Crown and is only entrusted by the sovereign to the government on behalf of the people. This underlines the Crown's role in safeguarding the rights, freedoms, and democratic system of government of Canadians, reinforcing the fact that "governments are the servants of the people and not the reverse".^[29][30] Thus, within Canada's constitutional monarchy the sovereign's direct participation in any of these areas of governance is normally limited, with the sovereign typically exercising executive authority only with the advice and consent of the Cabinet of Canada, and the sovereign's legislative and judicial responsibilities largely carried out through the Parliament of Canada as well as judges and justices of the peace.^[29] However, there are cases where the sovereign or their representative would have a duty to act directly and independently under the doctrine of necessity to prevent genuinely unconstitutional acts.^[31][32] As a result, the Crown today primarily functions as a guarantor of continuous and stable governance and a nonpartisan safeguard against abuse of power.^[35] The sovereign acts as a custodian of the Crown's democratic powers and a representation of the "power of the people above government and political parties".^[36][37]”

 

[blackbird]

MAYOR DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN OTTAWA JUST NOW

[blackbird]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

From Wikipedia:

“executive authority remains vested in the Crown and is only entrusted by the sovereign to the government on behalf of the people. This underlines the Crown's role in safeguarding the rights, freedoms, and democratic system of government of Canadians, reinforcing the fact that "governments are the servants of the people and not the reverse".^[29][30] Thus, within Canada's constitutional monarchy the sovereign's direct participation in any of these areas of governance is normally limited, with the sovereign typically exercising executive authority only with the advice and consent of the Cabinet of Canada, and the sovereign's legislative and judicial responsibilities largely carried out through the Parliament of Canada as well as judges and justices of the peace.^[29] However, there are cases where the sovereign or their representative would have a duty to act directly and independently under the doctrine of necessity to prevent genuinely unconstitutional acts.^[31][32] As a result, the Crown today primarily functions as a guarantor of continuous and stable governance and a nonpartisan safeguard against abuse of power.^[35] The sovereign acts as a custodian of the Crown's democratic powers and a representation of the "power of the people above government and political parties".^[36][37]”

 

Exactly!  Just as I said.  The GG acting on behalf of the Crown Or Queen acts only through the advice and consent of Cabinet or Parliament of Canada.  The GG does not act on the advice or demands of the public or groups of citizens.  Parliament is elected and represents the citizens and therefore any actions must be by Parliament.

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

You can pretend that you can order the Army to kill your fellow Canadians all you like. They will refuse.

No one will get killed, they will just get moved. The engineers have some really big tow trucks that they use to move tanks.

[West]

The government is abusing power to shut down peaceful protest. No different than Cuba or Venezuela. We are in trouble

[blackbird]

10 minutes ago, West said:

The government is abusing power to shut down peaceful protest. No different than Cuba or Venezuela. We are in trouble

500 tickets have been issued.  About 100 criminal investigations are underway.  The Mayor of Ottawa has declared a State of Emergency.  How is that a peaceful protest?

Declaring a state of emergency will allow the Mayor and Police Chief to request help from the provincial government which can request help from the federal government.  Many more police may come in and new strategies employed, possibly cutting off the supplies to the occupiers.  Possibly they will cut off the movement of people into the occupied zone. There are non life-threatening measures they will probably take.  The authorities are bending over backwards to keep everyone safe.

Edited February 6, 2022 by blackbird

[Goddess]

As someone who experienced the Fort Mac fires, this is no state of emergency.

Children on bouncy castles?

Conga lines?

Happy smiling people everywhere?

People shoveling and collecting garbage?

No, I don't remember any of those happening during the state of emergency I went through.

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

As someone who experienced the Fort Mac fires, this is no state of emergency.

Ask the over 50,000 residents of Downtown Ottawa whose lives have turned upside down by these ijjegal occupation

[Zeitgeist]

34 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Exactly!  Just as I said.  The GG acting on behalf of the Crown Or Queen acts only through the advice and consent of Cabinet or Parliament of Canada.  The GG does not act on the advice or demands of the public or groups of citizens.  Parliament is elected and represents the citizens and therefore any actions must be by Parliament.

“However, there are cases where the sovereign or their representative would have a duty to act directly and independently under the doctrine of necessity to prevent genuinely unconstitutional acts.^[31][32] As a result, the Crown today primarily functions as a guarantor of continuous and stable governance and a nonpartisan safeguard against abuse of power.^[35] The sovereign acts as a custodian of the Crown's democratic powers and a representation of the "power of the people above government and political parties".^[36”

It’s very clear to a growing number of people that the ruling party’s policies are counter to the will of the people.  More than half the population opposes mandates and restrictions.  What’s more, these policies contravene our Charter of Rights and Freedoms.  The Governor General has a duty to tell the PM that he must discuss the pandemic measures with those who oppose them or else, according to her constitutional role, she must dissolve Parliament and force an election.  The PM has a route out of this that he’s refusing to take.  The public won’t forget if he continues to ignore them.  

Edited February 6, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Goddess]

4 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Ask the over 50,000 residents of Downtown Ottawa whose lives have turned upside down by these ijjegal occupation

Their lives have not been "turned upside down."

They should try having to drive through fames to escape your office, not getting home in time to get anything you own and watching your house burn down with your dog inside.  

Honking.

Please.?

[sharkman]

So far the Give Send Go fund for the Freedom Convoy is at $3,500,000.  That fund hasn’t even been up 2 days, so I don’t think the truckers are going anywhere.  
I suggested a week ago that Trudeau would want to bring in the army(no doubt his underlings are in regular communication with the mayor so as to pull his strings).

The army moving in would be a perfect way to red pill all reasonable Canadians.  And if they wont let truckers eat, they’ll probably just start up a  shift work approach.

A trucker will do 5 or 6 hours in the blockade, then be replaced with another well fed trucker, rinse and repeat after 5 or 6 hours.  There’s a lot of people there and an endless variety of ways to get it done…

 

 

[DogOnPorch]

43 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Their lives have not been "turned upside down."

They should try having to drive through fames to escape your office, not getting home in time to get anything you own and watching your house burn down with your dog inside.  

Honking.

Please.?

 

They tried a counter-protest. A few dozen showed-up.