Mandatory Covid vaccination in Canada now a possibility.

[Aristides]

13 hours ago, myata said:

Except on an unfortunate occasion, way more of it (and maybe more than we could handle) could go sideways once unaccountable bureaucrats isolated from the reality into the illusion that paper managements equals effective management of a complex and novel condition begin to make far-reaching choices and decisions for the entire society without thinking much of possible consequences. There's no visible evidence, none that someone, anyone is thinking, analyzing, investigating and evaluating possible consequences here. And this is plain scary when they begin to play on this level.

There is plenty of evidence but you aren’t interested.

[myata]

8 minutes ago, Aristides said:

There is plenty of evidence but you aren’t interested.

You have "plenty of evidence" from two decades into the future, after the 45-th booster? How interesting.

[Aristides]

10 minutes ago, myata said:

You have "plenty of evidence" from two decades into the future, after the 45-th booster? How interesting.

Like I said, you don’t want to know. Why do you think you are owed some kind of guarantees? All you do is whine about others.

Edited January 12, 2022 by Aristides

[Yzermandius19]

33 minutes ago, Aristides said:

There is plenty of evidence but you aren’t interested.

projection is a helluva drug

[Yzermandius19]

18 minutes ago, Aristides said:

All you do is whine about others.

all you do is project your own faults on others

and act they are bad guys for displaying faults you have worse than those you point fingers at

try looking in the mirror sometime

you have zero self awareness and throw stones from a glass house

then act self righteous as if your shit doesn't stink

Edited January 12, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Boges]

This may be a bridge too far for many. 

I won't shed a tear for this people though. 

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

This may be a bridge too far for many. 

I won't shed a tear for this people though. 

quelle surprise

we're well aware that you only care about the rights of people you agree with

and don't give a shit about anyone else

Edited January 12, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Goddess]

If anyone wants to do a little digging:  Authorities have been doing "practice runs" for this pandemic since the early 2000's.  The focus of these practice runs was grabbing power in all countries at the same time, forcing mass vaccinations, control of media - both social and news media, removal of human rights, totalitarian power grabs, and of course - more $$$$ and power for the world's billionaires.

Check out:  TOPOFF (2000), TOPOFF2 (2003), TOPOFF3 (2005), TOPOFF4 (2007), Dark Winter (2001), Atlantic Storm (2003), Global Mercury (2003), the "Lockstep" Scenario document (2010), MARS (2017), SPARS (2017), Clade X (2018) and Crimson Contagion (2019), Event 201 (2019 - 2 months before Covid).

These practice runs were basically training camps for tyranny for the world's elites, providing instruction and practice in co-opting political governance, positioning themselves as unelected rulers of authoritarian regimes, how to ruthlessly control opposition, dissent, movement and expression, degrading civil rights, autonomy and sovereignty, how to use psyops during a pandemic for surveillance, isolation, censorship, and political & social control, how to crush all resistance, how to deal with the public once they find out the pandemic is not as dangerous as originally thought which would jeopardize the vaccine enterprise, how to drown out public concerns over vaccine reactions and side effects by flooding the media with good news about vaccine successes while covering up vaccine failure, forcibly masking large populations, etc.

There were no scenarios that included building up and fortifying immune systems, using existing off-the-shelf remedies or therapies for early treatment, or any scenario where the people ended up free.  They were walk-throughs of scenarios that focused on fear-mongering, blanket censorship and mass propaganda to force compulsory vaccination.

These were blueprints for what is happening now.  If you've ever wondered how the Islamic State can fool people into joining their group, we are all being recruited now. Two decades of Germ Game simulations are culminating now.

 

 

[Aristides]

33 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

all you do is project your own faults on others

and act they are bad guys for displaying faults you have worse than those you point fingers at

try looking in the mirror sometime

you have zero self awareness and throw stones from a glass house

then act self righteous as if your shit doesn't stink

 

 

Whining about others with no ideas of your own does nothing.  Pulling together is about putting personal wants and needs aside for a common good, not having them accommodated.

Edited January 12, 2022 by Aristides

[myata]

40 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Pulling together is about putting personal wants and needs aside for a common good, not having them accommodated.

You obviously have nothing of substance to add why repeating it then, over and over? It does not add anything new, facts or credibility. Every dictatorship in history was, is and will be justified by some "common good".

[Yzermandius19]

54 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Whining about others with no ideas of your own does nothing.  Pulling together is about putting personal wants and needs aside for a common good, not having them accommodated.

you are not the arbiter of the common good

and you have no idea what the common good is

so you don't get to invoke it to impose totalitarian measures

[Aristides]

11 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

you are not the arbiter of the common good

and you have no idea what the common good is

so you don't get to invoke it to impose totalitarian measures

I'm not invoking anything but it's pretty obvious you don't give a crap about all the people going without treatments and surgeries because of selfish unvaccinated people clogging up hospitals at a rate that far exceeds their percentage of the population. 

[Goddess]

6 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I'm not invoking anything but it's pretty obvious you don't give a crap about all the people going without treatments and surgeries because of selfish unvaccinated people clogging up hospitals at a rate that far exceeds their percentage of the population. 

Utter baloney.  Surgeries have been delayed every flu season in Canada for years because the governments (fed and prov) have mismanaged them for years, cutting services and beds and healthcare workers.  In the last 20 years, 4 nursing schools were shut down in Alberta.

You didn't care before because the government didn't have anyone to blame it on then. 

Quite gobbling up the hate served to you on a silver platter and wakey wakey, eggs and bakey.

[Aristides]

8 hours ago, Goddess said:

Utter baloney.  Surgeries have been delayed every flu season in Canada for years because the governments (fed and prov) have mismanaged them for years, cutting services and beds and healthcare workers.  In the last 20 years, 4 nursing schools were shut down in Alberta.

You didn't care before because the government didn't have anyone to blame it on then. 

Quite gobbling up the hate served to you on a silver platter and wakey wakey, eggs and bakey.

In BC per capita, the unvaccinated outnumber vaccinated in hospitals by almost seven to one. Even more in ICU's

 

Edited January 13, 2022 by Aristides

[Yzermandius19]

9 hours ago, Aristides said:

I'm not invoking anything but it's pretty obvious you don't give a crap about all the people going without treatments and surgeries because of selfish unvaccinated people clogging up hospitals at a rate that far exceeds their percentage of the population. 

clearly I do

I just put the blame where it belongs

on the Soviet bread line health care system

not on unvaccinated, like a moron

[Yzermandius19]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

In BC per capita, the unvaccinated outnumber vaccinated in hospitals by almost seven to one. Even more in ICU's

In BC per capita

people with four or more co-morbidities vastly out number those who don't in hospitals 

whether vaccinated or unvaccinated

vaccination is not the issue

co-morbidities are

Edited January 13, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[CITIZEN_2015]

Interesting chart below showing the efficacy of 1,2 and 3 doses of vaccines. It appears booster significantly reduces the risk of infection but has no additional effect on severe illness compare to 2  doses if infected. Very disappointing..

Vaccine protection against Omicron symptoms and hospitalization

A table showing percentages of vaccine protection against Omicron symptoms and hospitalization

	DOSE 1	DOSE 2	DOSE 2	DOSE 3
Time after dose	4+ weeks	2–24 weeks	25+ weeks	2+ weeks
Reduced risk of symptomatic COVID-19 relative to unvaccinated people*	26% less risk	18% less risk	2% less risk	63% less risk
Reduced risk of hospitalization for symptomatic patients relative to unvaccinated people**	35% less risk	67% less risk	51% less risk	68% less risk

[Winston]

How did they determine the risk for 3rd dose? 

Edited January 15, 2022 by Winston

[blackbird]

Interesting article:

A Nurse Calls Out An 'Anti-Vaxxer' Who Led A Rally Weeks After She Gave Him His Second Dose (msn.com)

A nurse tells how this guy after getting his second shot, leads protests against vaccination.  He uses vile language and claims to be a dedicated anti-vaxxer.  She recognized him on a video after she gave him his second shot.  During the vaccination, he ranted and raved while she said nothing.  He received the vaccination.

[blackbird]

The virus originated in China, possibly from the virology lab in Wuhan.  China didn't cooperate when this virus was spreading out from China and refused to allow the world to have a serious investigation on the origin of the virus.  Democratic countries like Canada have mismanaged the pandemic all the way through and are still doing a poor job, while China because of it's totalitarian system is able to enforce strict lockdowns and take measures to stop spread with no notice.  The price of being able to do that is of course a loss of freedom and living under totalitarianism.  Democratic countries enjoy freedom to a large extent, but must pay the price in a pandemic of this sort with all the different and constantly changing measures and half measures governments take to deal with it.  Because of the fact a significant percentage of the population in Canada has chosen not to get vaccinated, and other poor measures taken by government, this pandemic is likely to continue on for a long time with ever new variants coming.  I guess that is the price of living in a democracy.  Tough measures are difficult to impose and courts are divided on how far authorities can go, and politicians who try to do it are tarred and feathered and will likely pay a big price politically.  Division is rampant.

[Zeitgeist]

At this point ending the pandemic is a political decision.

Stop looking for and screening out people who have Covid and their contacts.

If you’re sick, stay home until you feel better, as we did pre-pandemic.

Procure the best treatments.

Treat people who are seriously ill.

Promote preventative measures such as vaccines (as we do for flu).

Boost ICU capacity.

End all restrictions.

Pandemic over.

 

[DogOnPorch]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

The virus originated in China, possibly from the virology lab in Wuhan. 

 

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/questions-surround-canadian-shipment-of-deadly-viruses-to-china-66254

https://nationalpost.com/health/bio-warfare-experts-question-why-canada-was-sending-lethal-viruses-to-china

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3761093

Canada may have assisted China's bio-warfare program with transfer of lethal viruses

[myata]

Is it "racist" though to raise these questions? What would CBC think?

Edited January 15, 2022 by myata

[CITIZEN_2015]

2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Interesting chart below showing the efficacy of 1,2 and 3 doses of vaccines. It appears booster significantly reduces the risk of infection but has no additional effect on severe illness compare to 2  doses if infected. Very disappointing..

Vaccine protection against Omicron symptoms and hospitalization

A table showing percentages of vaccine protection against Omicron symptoms and hospitalization

	DOSE 1	DOSE 2	DOSE 2	DOSE 3
Time after dose	4+ weeks	2–24 weeks	25+ weeks	2+ weeks
Reduced risk of symptomatic COVID-19 relative to unvaccinated people*	26% less risk	18% less risk	2% less risk	63% less risk
Reduced risk of hospitalization for symptomatic patients relative to unvaccinated people**	35% less risk	67% less risk	51% less risk	68% less risk

And yet this video out yesterday says that not a single person who had booster and caught covid in Ontario ended up in hospital!!!! You don't know which one to believe, Is it 68% booster effectiveness against Omicron or 100%?

https://globalnews.ca/video/8513270/vaccine-efficacy-against-omicron-underscores-need-for-boosters

 

[blackbird]

Canadians love Socialism.  They demanded and got a public health care system that is now unable to fulfil it's mandate and provide care for all Canadians on a timely basis.  There are thousands of people in need of cancer or heart surgeries and other things that have been put on standby waiting lists.  Reports are that thousands have already died this way across Canada during the last two years.  So it doesn't matter if you have a little money saved up for retirement or whatever, you still can't get care if you have been sidelined.  But if you get Covid, you will be treated right away.  What ever happened to the principle in the Health Care Act of universal access to health care?  That law doesn't seem to mean much or carry much weight in this pandemic.  In Socialism, the greater number of what the majority think is all that counts.  If your situation doesn't fit into the mold that the powers that be have designed, you just get steamrolled over.  That's Socialism at it's best.  Socialism is like a long freight train which will stop for nothing or anybody.