myata Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, Winston said: What is the point of paying managers if we are the managers of these systems? Well said. The bureaucracy in this country in general, and now thanks to this virus very obviously has learned and perfected the paradigm and practice of separation of compensation from responsibility: we are paid but you bear responsibility. This is nothing new of course, in the long history of humanity. It is even easy to predict the next stage: "bread and brioches". We're paid (by you) lavishly to care for you so why don't you love and cherish us, no we insist. Unless already there, can we tell? Edited January 5, 2022 by myata 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 13 hours ago, OftenWrong said: Vaccine does not stop spread It does an excellent job preventing it though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, Winston said: Why would we be asked to manage stops signs or hospitals, we pay into such systems so we are not required to think about such things. What is the point of paying managers if we are the managers of these systems? Moreover, who is holding these people accountable for their positions? Answer- it is us. We Candians. Edited January 5, 2022 by OftenWrong Confirmed all spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 28 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: We Candians That is an assumption, or a presumption but as yet, not an observable fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 For perspective: 1918 Spanish Flu: World Population - 950 million 50 million died = 5.26% 2018 Seasonal Flu: World Population - 7.5 billion 650,000 died = 0.009% 2020 Covid19: World Population 7.8 billion 500,000 died = 0.006% 1% of the world's population would be 77 million dead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) Obviously Goddess wants more bodies before taking it seriously...and not just the imaginary bodies of "young athletes dropping dead from heart attacks." Edited January 5, 2022 by BubberMiley 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, Goddess said: 2018 Seasonal Flu: World Population - 7.5 billion 650,000 died = 0.009% 2020 Covid19: World Population 7.8 billion 500,000 died = 0.006% Yep. "It's the flu." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, Goddess said: For perspective: 1918 Spanish Flu: World Population - 950 million 50 million died = 5.26% 2018 Seasonal Flu: World Population - 7.5 billion 650,000 died = 0.009% 2020 Covid19: World Population 7.8 billion 500,000 died = 0.006% 1% of the world's population would be 77 million dead Your figures don't mention 2021. The total number of deaths is 5,449,423. There would also be far more than 5 million who suffer from long Covid or ongoing medical / health problems as well. how many died of Covid in the world? - Bing This is one result of the pandemic. The pandemic has caused trillions of dollars in damage to the economies of the world and continues to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Yep. "It's the flu." I used the 2017-2018 flu season because that was a particularly bad flu year. But no one was screaming that the world was going to end, businesses and schools were not shut down, the world's economy was not ruined. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, blackbird said: The pandemic has caused trillions of dollars in damage to the economies of the world and continues to do so. Is it the pandemic or is it our insane response to it? If we had followed the world's previously decided upon pandemic plan, we wouldn't be in this mess now. Edited January 5, 2022 by Goddess 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, blackbird said: Your figures don't mention 2021. The total number of deaths is 5,449,423 That would be 0.06%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Goddess said: I used the 2017-2018 flu season because that was a particularly bad flu year. But no one was screaming that the world was going to end, businesses and schools were not shut down, the world's economy was not ruined. Interesting. Of course in 2018 we didn't have the testing and cataloguing system we've built now for Covid, so those numbers are not even directly comparable. Meanwhile we hear that in 2020, "There was NO FLU". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Goddess said: Is it the pandemic or is it our insane response to it? If we had followed the world's previously decided upon pandemic plan, we wouldn't be in this mess now. Someone referred to you as he but your photo is a she. Are you male or female or binary or one of the other dozen or so? What pandemic plan are you talking about? This is all new for the world and they are doing the best they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, blackbird said: The pandemic has caused trillions of dollars in damage to the economies of the world and continues to do so. "The pandemic" didn't do it. WE did, through mismanagement. Did you know there was supposed to be an emergency plan developed after SARS-1 occurred almost 20 years ago? Just mentioning that in case you want to excuse the government by saying "nobody saw this coming". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, blackbird said: Your figures don't mention 2021. The total number of deaths is 5,449,423. Yes, more people died of covid in 2021 than in 2020. Why do you think MORE people died after the vaccines were available than before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Yep. "It's the flu." It’s so irresponsible how media will take a picture of a stretcher, mention that one hospital declared a “Code Orange”, and then use alarmist language. That code basically means that the hospital is preparing for an anticipated surge that hasn’t happened yet. Another example of manufacturing crisis. Hospitals are fine and people are recovering well from Omicron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, blackbird said: Your figures don't mention 2021. The total number of deaths is 5,449,423. There would also be far more than 5 million who suffer from long Covid or ongoing medical / health problems as well. how many died of Covid in the world? - Bing This is one result of the pandemic. The pandemic has caused trillions of dollars in damage to the economies of the world and continues to do so. The damage is primarily the result of lockdowns and restrictions, certainly since widespread vaccinations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 17 minutes ago, Goddess said: I used the 2017-2018 flu season because that was a particularly bad flu year. But no one was screaming that the world was going to end, businesses and schools were not shut down, the world's economy was not ruined. You still don't understand the significance of the word "novel"? You're going to be really embarrassed when you find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: "nobody saw this coming" "See it coming" is not exactly the same as "move that b..m". Why would it, what's the incentive for doing it, or penalty for not? The longer the crisis mode is, the more and better happy benefits and entitlements (out of public's pocket) would roll in. How could it go wrong? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, BubberMiley said: You still don't understand the significance of the word "novel"? You're going to be really embarrassed when you find out. "Novel" has nothing to do with the numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, myata said: "See it coming" is not exactly the same as "move that b..m". Why would it, what's the incentive for doing it, or penalty for not? The longer the crisis mode is, the more and better happy benefits and entitlements (out of public's pocket) would roll in. How could it go wrong? It's become a thing of its own, complete with big-money backing and inertia. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: It's become a thing of its own, complete with big-money backing and inertia. Bill Gates added $23 billion to his wealth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 26 minutes ago, Goddess said: That would be 0.06%. So? It is still a lot of people. The number of deaths is about 5.5 million people which is possibly more than the population of British Columbia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 32 minutes ago, Goddess said: That would be 0.06%. 0.06% of what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Goddess said: Bill Gates added $23 billion to his wealth. So did most other billionaires. Take your pick. Edited January 5, 2022 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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