Canada at the start of Delta dominated fourth Covid wave, so get vaccinated to save lives.

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, myata said:

If someone is paid outrageously for producing any, including dismal results there's certainly something wrong with it, on the scale where wrong means bad result and good means excellent. Your questions were answered many times before and repeating them will be ignored for the obvious reason. Failure, substandard and incompetent performance is not an: explanation; excuse; rationale; justification. It's only a failure to deliver what one was hired and paid for by the society.

And as long as we accept mediocre and substandard results with ever more obscene compensations what kind of system do you think we will have, logically: Finland and Austria system? Or Mexico system?

You don't answer, you just rant.

[Aristides]

 

According to a Japanese study it cost $1539 USD a day to operate an ICU bed at a Japanese university hospital in 2006, so $50,000 CAD to operate one for the average 21 day stay for a Covid patient in 2021 is very believable. 

[myata]

They say, you don't know a person, and a country till you have seen them in the time of crisis. Those who have been here for the FLQ events probably can tell that living through crisis in Canada is not fun. It panics, overreacts, jerks this way and that, war measures acts, arbitrary detentions with belated decades on apologies and analyses by talking heads in TV.

There's little to analyze though - it reflects as a bodyglove suit the behavior of a small group of entitled bureaucrats that has been running the country since its quasi-independence. It's them who have no clue what to do rationally and intelligently, panic, jump to unconfirmed and poorly justified conclusions, overreact, shoot mosquito from a 120 caliber gun with nothing or nobody to balance; bring another perspective; check and limit arbitrary decisions and acts to something that would make more sense. Who is there for that, to fill that essential and in critical times, no less than critical role in 160 years and counting? Just look around. And when things settle down decades later TV chat by talking heads would there/wouldn't be/when and by who a belated apology.

That was fifty years, two generations back and here we are again. Same one-to-one management style. Not a speck of a change, whatsoever. Only who can tell when this thing would settle down? Unlike previous cases, it may take not years but decades. Wherever it goes though, would it just fade miraculously with big kudos for successful management with three total shutdowns (and counting) where some managed without any; or come back with another resistant variant - we have seen all there's to see. Nothing new will happen here for a simple, yet fundamental reason: nothing changes. Change is not possible.

[Army Guy]

On 10/21/2021 at 1:59 PM, Aristides said:

Why don't you ask them what they want. Maybe they will be willing to sacrifice their lives so you can be you.

Who is being forced to vaccinate?

What exactly are you having to sacrifice? Is wearing a mask in indoor public places just too much for you?

I think your understating what is being asked here, yes wearing a mask is part of it , restricting of movement is another , but we also have being fired from you job, and in some places being taken off a much needed organ transplant list, in others being refused other medical treatments, not being able to practice medicine in NB for a life time, not being able to collect poggy or welfare if needed. Having to sell your home and move out of province to feed your family... This is the price some have to pay.

Who is being forced , this is your sides favorite game, nobody is forcing you...get the shot or bad things are going to happen to you and your family, that is not a choice that is being painted into a corner... 

 

[Army Guy]

On 10/21/2021 at 8:33 PM, Aristides said:

Compliance is the only thing that will remove restrictions. The virus doesn't care what we think or what we consider our rights. Rights are a human invention, nature couldn't give a crap about them.

The government has but several times end states that will see restrictions removed, first it was 75 % then it went to 80 % now i think it is at 90 % ... they keep moving the goal posts , and with it hope for an end state is long gone.

Those rights are enshrined in our charter of rights and freedoms, and it is a good thing they were invented by humans for humans...and with out them there can only be one other course of action, total complete break down of our very fabric that holds us together. 

Nature has never given a shit about anything, it is why we are on the top of the food chain, because we have brains capable of finding solutions even those created by nature. 

[myata]

32 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Who is being forced , this is your sides favorite game, nobody is forcing you...get the shot or bad things are going to happen to you and your family, that is not a choice that is being painted into a corner... 

 

For the greater good, all means should be acceptable... just forgot who said it, Comrade Stalin or our selfless $400K Health Gurus. Do you happen to know?

Edited October 30, 2021 by myata

[Zeitgeist]

25 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

The government has but several times end states that will see restrictions removed, first it was 75 % then it went to 80 % now i think it is at 90 % ... they keep moving the goal posts , and with it hope for an end state is long gone.

Those rights are enshrined in our charter of rights and freedoms, and it is a good thing they were invented by humans for humans...and with out them there can only be one other course of action, total complete break down of our very fabric that holds us together. 

Nature has never given a shit about anything, it is why we are on the top of the food chain, because we have brains capable of finding solutions even those created by nature. 

Unfortunately the pandemic revealed what we know deep down and seldom discuss: Our “rights” and laws are promissory notes that we create in the hope that they’ll be respected, but there’s always a “notwithstanding clause” or condition that allows for governments to trounce our protections.  Individuals and whole social organizations will throw mores out the window under duress.  We create institutions and countries to give us the illusion of permanence and control.  That’s why we have to respect nature and have our own backup plans for when the social order breaks down.  People do unpredictable things under unusual circumstances. However, if we don’t fight like hell to ensure that certain rights are protected, such as freedom of movement, association, livelihood, etc., then they will be violated for dubious reasons.  I think we’re already there.

Edited October 30, 2021 by Zeitgeist

[myata]

1 hour ago, myata said:

For the greater good, all means should be acceptable... just forgot who said it, Comrade Stalin or our selfless $400K Health Gurus. Do you happen to know?

And sadly, this is no exaggeration. We have already seen examples of public misrepresentation (also known as the three-letter word) and coercion via denial of essential rights and services.

There's just one step left. Now please tell what is this step; has it already happened here under the same pretext of "safety" and "security"; and can it happen again (and again and so on) if cases turn wrong way and there isn't anybody else to blame for it with 95% compliance?

Edited October 31, 2021 by myata

[myata]

Hello "travel from Wuhan" $400K exsperts, may be you can be distracted for a quick minute from your very valuable labors on writing mandates and policies for an insignificant news that a new effective treatment for serious Covid cases has been approved in UK and a number of other countries?

Three pills twice a day, five days 90% effective.

By the way, could that ("oops", oh so new!" and all eggs always have to be put in one basket) be the reason or at least one of them, for the rate of severe outcomes per case in this country being 3.5 to 10 times worse than in some countries in Europe?

Edited November 5, 2021 by myata

[CITIZEN_2015]

Interesting video as who anti-vaxers are!!!.

 

Edited December 2, 2021 by CITIZEN_2015

[myata]

No you have to do better than assigning labels, for example try answering a simple question in a clear, intelligible language: if q-vaccination prevents neither infection nor transmission, how can mandatory, forced and coerced vaccination of healthy general population be justified?

[Goddess]

On 10/30/2021 at 4:57 PM, Army Guy said:

Compliance is the only thing that will remove restrictions.

No society has ever complied their way out of tyranny.

[DogOnPorch]

Hey...we're building a 1000 year Reich, here. Don't stand in the way of progress...antivaxxers.

[Goddess]

I can't for the life of me figure out how this is even a pandemic.  For perspective - 5 million people have died of/with covid.  Keeping in mind that all countries have falsely counted deaths "with" covid as being "from" covid and some countries have even been caught fudging numbers.......

While 5 million deaths world-wide is important to 5 million families, it dwarfs deaths from other causes that nobody gives a crap about.

And....5 million deaths.  Out of 7.8 billion people.

We shut down the world for this. We removed human rights.  We bankrupted small businesses.  The collateral damage from this cannot even be calculated, it's astronomical.

In reality, we shut down the world so the greatest wealth and power transfer in the history of man could take place.

[CITIZEN_2015]

So in your view how  many millions should die before it qualifies as pandemic?

By the way the reason that only 5 million died so far is because we had lockdowns otherwise far greater number of people would have been infected and died.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Germany locks down unvaccinated people.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/12/02/germany-announces-nationwide-lockdown-for-the-unvaccinated/

Canada should follow.

[Winston]

3 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

By the way the reason that only 5 million died so far is because we had lockdowns otherwise far greater number of people would have been infected and died.

This conclusion is based on what comparison country or control group?

I can follow the logic, but data would be nice. 

 

[CITIZEN_2015]

13 minutes ago, Winston said:

This conclusion is based on what comparison country or control group?

I can follow the logic, but data would be nice. 

 

Yes for me to provide you the data you are asking me, I have to have two parallel universes in one we have full restrictions and full vaccinations and the other where we have no restrictions and no vaccinations and then compare the number of deaths between the two universes.

Edited December 3, 2021 by CITIZEN_2015

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, Winston said:

This conclusion is based on what comparison country or control group?

Control?

[cougar]

6 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Germany locks down unvaccinated people.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/12/02/germany-announces-nationwide-lockdown-for-the-unvaccinated/

Canada should follow.

You are so brainwashed , it is unreal!

You are playing into the hands of a small group of old farts, the age of QE2,who control the World and somehow believe that it will be a safer place for them if they can vaccinate 100% of humanity.  They apply their pressure to manipulate the media and what goes into your head.

Let them brainwash you and put whatever substance they want into your blood; just so they are on the safe side.

Edited December 3, 2021 by cougar

[cougar]

14 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

Hey...we're building a 1000 year Reich, here. Don't stand in the way of progress...antivaxxers.

I'm actually surprised Germany will be locking their unvaccinated population and not putting them in the gas chambers.?

[DogOnPorch]

18 minutes ago, cougar said:

I'm actually surprised Germany will be locking their unvaccinated population and not putting them in the gas chambers.?

Die Götterdämmerung!

These guys follow their muses.

[Zeitgeist]

On 12/3/2021 at 2:19 AM, cougar said:

I'm actually surprised Germany will be locking their unvaccinated population and not putting them in the gas chambers.?

Yup, the impulse to control and oppress in the name of public health purity is a close associate of the desire to eliminate the “inferior” in the name of a perfected race.  We’re watching the same kind of twisted urge literally crush human freedom and mental health.  Where is our perspective on the threat of Covid versus all of the other health and economic fallout from Covid restrictions?  Our governments and peoples are under a frightening mass hypnosis comparable to the German peoples under Hitler.  100%.    If you think that Citizen_2015 is a rare Manchurian Candidate, you only have to look to our government and mainstream media to see the mass hysteria at work.

I think the directives come from China and are disseminated through the WHO, which is under China’s control.  The US Dems and Liberals are totally naive and manipulated consumers of this messaging, which is literally destroying democracy and human freedom around the world.  Covid is the least of our worries now.  I used to buy into the official narrative.  I was wrong.

Edited December 4, 2021 by Zeitgeist

[WestCanMan]

I was just skimming through this old thread. It aged so poorly for the vax-Nazis when you look at the most recent stats.

 

Summary - there were 2,044 total deaths from covid between May 1 and Jun 19th of this year.

1,757 of them were among those with 2 or more doses of the "vaccine". IE, 86% of the covid deaths in that span were among the "fully protected".

There were already 265 quadruple-jabbed covid deaths as of Jun 19th. That's more than the number of people under 40 who died since the very outset of covid.

All of the above stats are for Canada only.

 

[WestCanMan]

Judging by this old thread, vax-Naziism actually used to be way worse here in Canada than it is now.