Liberals to greatly increase immigration in coming years.

[-TSS-]

On 10/31/2020 at 12:06 PM, Cannucklehead said:

The population of Toronto is roughly 6 million.  Another 1.2 million over three years spread out over all of Canada is a drop in the bucket.  

I didn't realise Toronto was that big. I knew it was 3 million or something but it's bigger. 

When one thinks about it that given the size of Canada it really makes no sense to cram into big cities. Of course it about jobs and the economy but all the same it is silly to build societies in a way which forces people to move into large cities.

[DogOnPorch]

2 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

I didn't realise Toronto was that big. I knew it was 3 million or something but it's bigger. 

When one thinks about it that given the size of Canada it really makes no sense to cram into big cities. Of course it about jobs and the economy but all the same it is silly to build societies in a way which forces people to move into large cities.

The vast bulk of the Third World that flocks here and the USA stick to only the biggest cities. Leave the city....no more Third World for the most part.

[CITIZEN_2015]

21 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Bringing in more immigrants helps to offset the bleeding.

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[CITIZEN_2015]

1 minute ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Not sure why posted twice again and there is no delete button!!!

 

Edited November 1, 2020 by CITIZEN_2015

[CITIZEN_2015]

23 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Bring in the right immigrants. For most part those who are compatible with the culture in Canada which is respect for other religions and cultures and believing in equality of all kinds including equality of races and especially having respect for and believing in equality and liberty of women. Keep the trash out (those who do not believe on all of above). Canada is not a garbage bin.

 

[-TSS-]

Canada is not an ethno-state so perhaps for you there is such a thing as "right immigrants" but for the European ethno-states which want to remain majority of the indigenous population there are no right immigrants. Most immigration is harmful. It is just that some immigration is more harmful than some other immigration.

Immigration can be accepted when it is based on real need and it doesn't alter the demographic make-up of the population too much.

 

[Michael Hardner]

27 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

Immigration can be accepted when it is based on real need and it doesn't alter the demographic make-up of the population too much.

This is an outdated idea, and it's chief use is as a selling-point for politicians to get elected.  

[Argus]

13 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

This is an outdated idea, and it's chief use is as a selling-point for politicians to get elected.  

The chief use of immigration in Canada is as a selling-point for politicians to get elected. There's only one politician who has ever suggested cutting immigration and that was Bernier, for which he was dismissed as a white supremacist.

The government has no goals for immigration. It has never bothered to set out anything the success or failure of immigration can be measured by, no signposts along the way to see if it's doing what they want it to. Nor has the government undertaken any study or assessment of what the impact of immigration has been to date or what it can do in future and how.

Immigration is there to get politicians elected. It serves little other purpose other than keeping wages down, which is why the corporate world likes it.

Edited November 1, 2020 by Argus

[scribblet]

37 minutes ago, Argus said:

The chief use of immigration in Canada is as a selling-point for politicians to get elected. There's only one politician who has ever suggested cutting immigration and that was Bernier, for which he was dismissed as a white supremacist.

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We should be able to debate immigration levels etc. and what is best for Canada without being called names.  The Liberals have done a pretty good job of defining anyone who disagrees with them as racist.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

The government has no goals for immigration. It has never bothered to set out anything the success or failure of immigration can be measured by, no signposts along the way to see if it's doing what they want it to. Nor has the government undertaken any study or assessment of what the impact of immigration has been to date or what it can do in future and how.

Immigration is there to get politicians elected. It serves little other purpose other than keeping wages down, which is why the corporate world likes it.

I think that growing the economy is the goal, although I agree that there's not much thought put into it.

[Michael Hardner]

41 minutes ago, scribblet said:

We should be able to debate immigration levels etc. and what is best for Canada without being called names.  The Liberals have done a pretty good job of defining anyone who disagrees with them as racist.

Dr. David Suzuki has called for lower immigration.  
I don't think that it's racist to set immigration levels lower but your intentions - if you're a nut like Bernier - may be called into it.  

But - serious question - has any of the big 3 federal parties seriously suggested it ?

[scribblet]

16 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Dr. David Suzuki has called for lower immigration.  
I don't think that it's racist to set immigration levels lower but your intentions - if you're a nut like Bernier - may be called into it.  

But - serious question - has any of the big 3 federal parties seriously suggested it ?

Yes, Trudeau is increasing levels.
https://financialpost.com/pmn/business-pmn/trudeau-ratchets-up-immigration-targets-to-boost-recovery

[Argus]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

I think that growing the economy is the goal, although I agree that there's not much thought put into it.

Spending a fortune and changing the future makeup of the country in hopes of it accomplishing something when you've never bothered to study the impact is insane. Australia did a macro study, consulting widely with experts in a variety of fields about what immigration had done, what it could do, what they wanted from it and how best to get that. It consulted with business, labour, statisticians and demographics experts, economists and cultural figures, and ordinary people from all walks of life. After that it set its goals and adjusted the immigration program with that in mind.

Why can't our government do that?

 

Edited November 1, 2020 by Argus

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

1. Spending a fortune and changing the future makeup of the country in hopes of it accomplishing something when you've never bothered to study the impact is insane.

2. Australia did a macro study, consulting widely with experts in a variety of fields about what immigration had done, what it could do, what they wanted from it and how best to get that. It consulted with business, labour, statisticians and demographics experts, economists and cultural figures, and ordinary people from all walks of life.

3.After that it set its goals and adjusted the immigration program with that in mind.

4. Why can't our government do that?

 

1. Ok.
2. Ok.
3. What did they change ?
4. We don't elect visionaries - neither major party has them.  
 

[Argus]

38 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Ok.
2. Ok.
3. What did they change ?
4. We don't elect visionaries - neither major party has them.  
 

It's been a while since I read the study. One thing I do remember is they increased the points for English speakers, and also prioritized people from English speaking countries because these were the ones who performed best economically. A third of Australia's immigrants are from the UK or New Zealand. They also cut the rate of immigration, responding to public sentiment about overcrowded cities and the pace of growth.

[marcus]

As an employer, this is great news for me. 

It doesn't matter if I am offering a salary well above the median average salary for administration and tech positions, I have an extremely hard time finding employees. With all of the tech companies opening up offices in Canada, it's great to see that our immigration system, both under the Harper government and the Trudeau government, are responding to the need of skilled workers. 

I love the fact that Canada is starting to be known as the top destination for many sought after skilled workers who have numerous options around the world. 

Our immigration system and its success are the envy of many countries around the world, including Donald Trump.

Go Canada Go!

 

[Michael Hardner]

9 hours ago, Argus said:

 They also cut the rate of immigration, responding to public sentiment about overcrowded cities and the pace of growth.

I do believe that you need to only accept immigrants at the rate the public will accept.  That rate is said to be higher in Canada, though.

4 hours ago, marcus said:

 I love the fact that Canada is starting to be known as the top destination for many sought after skilled workers who have numerous options around the world. 

A Frenchman told me that this is our new reputation, last year.  Tech services is a great export market to be in, so we should take those people.  WFH (work from home) also means there's no reason to crowd the GTA anymore.  This summer I ran a team that was 1/3 in S. America, 2/3 in Canada (most in the GTA and one in Vancouver) and one person in India (stuck there during Covid).  We work with support teams and often don't know where they are located.  One team is in small town Ontario and another in India.

[Argus]

8 hours ago, marcus said:

As an employer, this is great news for me. 

It doesn't matter if I am offering a salary well above the median average salary for administration and tech positions, I have an extremely hard time finding employees.

Probably because your 'top salary' is half the salary they could get in the US. Huge numbers of Canadian kids are streaming south across the border as soon as they graduate from tech schools because the US salaries aren't held down by enormous waves of immigrants. Plus taxes are lower there and they can buy a house twice the size they could in Canada for half the price. And write off the interest paid on their taxes!

But yes indeed, this is good news for employers who want to hold wages down, who want third world workers who will put in 12 hr days without complaint and who can be treated like serfs.

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I love the fact that Canada is starting to be known as the top destination for many sought after skilled workers who have numerous options around the world.

Translation: Canada is the easiest to get into because it has few standards, and also it's next door to the US so once you establish yourself you can get to go there.

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Our immigration system and its success are the envy of many countries around the world, including Donald Trump.

Funny how our system hasn't been imitated by a single country on the planet, eh? Not one. Nope. Bring in more than 1% of our population a year!? Not a chance! Not a single western country is even contemplating that. Oh, and you're holding out Donald Trump as a wise judge of government policy, are you?

The US brings in about a million immigrants a year, which is a rate less than a third ours does. That figure has not really even changed under Trump, for all his anti-immigrant rhetoric. They're taking the same number every year as under Obama - and way more than under Bush.

Edited November 2, 2020 by Argus

[cannuck]

21 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

The vast bulk of the Third World that flocks here and the USA stick to only the biggest cities. Leave the city....no more Third World for the most part.

Don't get out much, do you?

I wander all around the prairies and the North, and the invasion of third world into hospitality and service industry is HUGE and very widely spread...even outside of major urban areas.  What particularly irks me is that we have a largely unemployed aboriginal population that seldom participates in this entry level into the working economy (unless, of course, they can climb into bed with the Mafia and open a casino).

Similarly: the destruction of quality and integrity in engineering in the resource (and other) sectors in Canada has been led by a charge of third world "professionals" who have earned their credentials by privilege, seldom by merit.  Of course, one of the biggest players in that respect is the Liberals favourite complicit criminals: SNC Lavalin.

Edited November 2, 2020 by cannuck

[DogOnPorch]

9 minutes ago, cannuck said:

Don't get out much, do you?

 

 

Okay...comparatively...no worries, I'm not for unfettered immigration. 

[OftenWrong]

2 hours ago, Argus said:

That figure has not really even changed under Trump, for all his anti-immigrant rhetoric.

That's cause, his anti-immigrant rhetoric is about illegal immigrants.

[Michael Hardner]

28 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

That's cause, his anti-immigrant rhetoric is about illegal immigrants.

I don't know about that - he didn't deport his wife, who snuck in under a 'genius visa'...

[marcus]

4 hours ago, Argus said:

Probably because your 'top salary' is half the salary they could get in the US. Huge numbers of Canadian kids are streaming south across the border as soon as they graduate from tech schools because the US salaries aren't held down by enormous waves of immigrants. Plus taxes are lower there and they can buy a house twice the size they could in Canada for half the price. And write off the interest paid on their taxes!

You don't know what you're talking about.

Historically, Canada's tech salaries has lagged behind not only the U.S. but the rest of the world as well. However, that has been changing rapidly, especially in the past 5 years.

You need to accept this reality - This is from 2019:

Average compensation within Toronto’s technology industry is higher than ever and increasing faster than any other major tech hub surveyed worldwide.

According to a recent study by tech-job site Hired, the average salary of the city’s technology industry workers increased by 9 per cent in the past twelve months. The rate of growth ties with Boston and far surpasses other major hubs such as Seattle, Washington, Chicago, Paris, London and the Bay Area.

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But yes indeed, this is good news for employers who want to hold wages down, who want third world workers who will put in 12 hr days without complaint and who can be treated like serfs.

Wrong.

There are sectors that are starving for workers. You just don't know it, because you're not experiencing it. 

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Translation: Canada is the easiest to get into because it has few standards, and also it's next door to the US so once you establish yourself you can get to go there.

You don't know what you're talking about. 

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Funny how our system hasn't been imitated by a single country on the planet, eh? Not one. Nope. Bring in more than 1% of our population a year!? Not a chance! Not a single western country is even contemplating that. Oh, and you're holding out Donald Trump as a wise judge of government policy, are you?

The US brings in about a million immigrants a year, which is a rate less than a third ours does. That figure has not really even changed under Trump, for all his anti-immigrant rhetoric. They're taking the same number every year as under Obama - and way more than under Bush.

I don't have time for your constant misinformation.

Instead, if you really want to learn about our system, instead of digging in with stubbornness, because you don't want brown people to move to Canada, here is a place to start and learn:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Points-based_immigration_system

Edited November 2, 2020 by marcus

[taxme]

On 10/31/2020 at 7:52 AM, dialamah said:

That's not how our immigration system works, of course, but you're not one to let facts get in the way of an anti-brown-immigrant agenda.

In the past two decades alone the majority of new immigrants and refugees all came from non-white countries. Pretty much 80 - 85% or millions of our new unwanted and unneeded immigrants have been coming from third world countries.

All this massive immigration has done is to have to build more infrastructure, more assault on the environment, and pretty much bankrupting our medical and social services. It is people like you with your pro leftist liberal Marxist brown agenda for Canada is what will kill off the white people in this country. I despise people like you. It is because of you that this country will soon become a third world hell hole of a country to live in. 

How do you like those real and true facts? 

[taxme]

13 minutes ago, marcus said:

You don't know what you're talking about.

Historically, Canada's tech salaries has lagged behind not only the U.S. and the rest of the world, but that has been changing rapidly, especially in the past 5 years.

You need to accept this reality - This is from 2019:

Average compensation within Toronto’s technology industry is higher than ever and increasing faster than any other major tech hub surveyed worldwide.

According to a recent study by tech-job site Hired, the average salary of the city’s technology industry workers increased by 9 per cent in the past twelve months. The rate of growth ties with Boston and far surpasses other major hubs such as Seattle, Washington, Chicago, Paris, London and the Bay Area.

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Wrong.

There are sectors that are starving for workers. You just don't know it, because you're not experiencing it. 

You don't know what you're talking about. 

I don't have time for your constant misinformation.

Instead, if you really want to learn about our system, instead of digging in with stubbornness, because you don't want brown people to move to Canada, here is a place to start and learn:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Points-based_immigration_system

I demand a moratorium on immigration for at least seven years. Works for me alright.