Doug Ford and Covid 19

[OftenWrong]

The DoFo, Sept 6 2020: "Get tested! Just go out and get tested!"

 

The DoFo, Oct 6 2020: "Stop getting tested!"

 

Now THAT is leadership! 

 

Edited October 6, 2020 by OftenWrong

[Boges]

8 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Canada had 2800 new cases yesterday. So they are no worse than us.
All the shutdown, quarantine, distancing, mandatory masking we do gives us no advantage.

That's an insane lie. The US regularly have north of 40,000 cases a day. Per Capita, Canada would need to regularly achieve 4,000 cases. 

And Canada doesn't have anywhere near the level of deaths. 

 

[OftenWrong]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

That's an insane lie. The US regularly have north of 40,000 cases a day. Per Capita, Canada would need to regularly achieve 4,000 cases. 

And Canada doesn't have anywhere near the level of deaths. 

 

Huh? We were talking about the comparison of Canada to Sweden, and how Sweden has such a successful outcome. Well, same outcome as Canada let's say.

Nothing "insane" or lying about that. Just a misunderstanding.

Sorry to rouse you from the rabbit hole...

[Boges]

3 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Huh? We were talking about the comparison of Canada to Sweden, and how Sweden has such a successful outcome. Well, same outcome as Canada let's say.

Nothing "insane" or lying about that. Just a misunderstanding.

Sorry to rouse you from the rabbit hole...

If we're comparing it to Sweden. Their economy has shrunk as well, with many more deaths. 

AND it's fresh for Conservatives to say that Sweden is a model country. They're Socialist AF.

[OftenWrong]

9 minutes ago, Boges said:

If we're comparing it to Sweden. Their economy has shrunk as well, with many more deaths. 

AND it's fresh for Conservatives to say that Sweden is a model country. They're Socialist AF.

I know. But what is a model country? What is a model approach to health care?

They have a lot of other benefits that play into the picture, geography being one. So, must compare apples with apples where we can. Else we are 

[OftenWrong]

Mayor John Tory gives a list of the people you are allowed to invite over to your house for dinner this weekend.

In other news, these great and visionary Ontario leaders propose to send thousands of untested swabs (something like 40,000) to a lab in California. Good thing all those people did the right thing by going out and getting tested! Please stand by for your results! It'll be a couple weeks

[Boges]

The messaging on this is pathetic right now. 

Toronto is specifically a shit show. You have a Medical Officer asking for another Shut down. 

Cases are up, but not going up exponentially. And Hospitalization is manageable right now. 

I think the main culprit of high numbers are lower income places where social distancing is next to impossible. 

[Shady]

On 10/6/2020 at 3:16 AM, Cannucklehead said:

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/7379494/coronavirus-canada-october-5/amp/

 

Not sure where you are getting your info, but anyway we still have a slight advantage and it shows lockdowns were very effective.  

Complete nonsense.  Extended lockdowns were unnecessary and ineffective as we're in the same boat we were in during the spring.  Sweden had it right all along.  No lockdown, masks in certain situations, and limited large crowds.  

[Cannucklehead]

28 minutes ago, Shady said:

Complete nonsense.  Extended lockdowns were unnecessary and ineffective as we're in the same boat we were in during the spring.  Sweden had it right all along.  No lockdown, masks in certain situations, and limited large crowds.  

Sweden's death count is higher.  I guess that stat isn't important to you?  

[dialamah]

40 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

Sweden's death count is higher.  I guess that stat isn't important to you?  

Death count is higher, and their economy isn't doing as well as their neighbors, who did have a more complete shut down.  Loss-loss for Sweden, but not as a bad a loss as it would have been for the US to have done the same.  Too many in the US aren't interested in following health guidelines - including the President - and too many put their individual "rights" ahead of the safety of the community.  Sweden at least has a sense of community responsibility which meant that many people locked themselves down, and did not need a government mandate to do so.

 

[Boges]

Conservatives using Sweden as the model country just because it let its people die in droves is hilarious. 

[Argus]

3 hours ago, Boges said:

The messaging on this is pathetic right now. 

Toronto is specifically a shit show. You have a Medical Officer asking for another Shut down. 

Cases are up, but not going up exponentially. And Hospitalization is manageable right now. 

I think the main culprit of high numbers are lower income places where social distancing is next to impossible. 

Toronto has given up on contact tracing because of a couple of hundred cases a day. I mean, it's as if the idea of hiring more staff to help hasn't occurred to them.

[Cannucklehead]

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5753451

 

Don't invite your family or inlaws over for Thanksgiving, but you can go to a bar or restaurant because that makes perfect sense!   

[OftenWrong]

Sure does. Sports bars show football. Automatically Doug Ford approved... 

 

[OftenWrong]

5 hours ago, Boges said:

Conservatives using Sweden as the model country just because it let its people die in droves is hilarious. 

Give credit where it's due, it's not all about politics. Did their socialism help them out? Perhaps. They seem to have more social compassion to one another, which is different than economics. Instead of authoritarian government forcing business into shutdown and handing out billions in welfare, they used education and trust, and stayed open. I'll go with that.

[OftenWrong]

20 hours ago, Boges said:

Cases are up, but not going up exponentially.

They are going up, expedentially. They padded the numbers with people from May into the October data, as I indicated elsewhere. Ontario and Quebec. So now the data for Canada shows a sudden spike in deaths up to almost 100, where the average prior was around 10.

Back down to 11 yesterday. I guess they ran out of uncounted dead, scour for them though they might.

[OftenWrong]

My only conclusion: This is data manipulation, done intentionally and to frighten people.

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[Boges]

3 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

My only conclusion: This is data manipulation, done intentionally and to frighten people.

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I read that a number of deaths were added retroactively. 

People who died in the Summer but were never recorded. 

That would be the only explanation of a day or two outside of the typical trend line. 

[Shady]

23 hours ago, Cannucklehead said:

Sweden's death count is higher.  I guess that stat isn't important to you?  

No their death count isn't higher.  Death count isn't the only thing to weigh.  It's one factor.

[Shady]

22 hours ago, dialamah said:

Death count is higher, and their economy isn't doing as well as their neighbors, who did have a more complete shut down.  Loss-loss for Sweden, but not as a bad a loss as it would have been for the US to have done the same.  Too many in the US aren't interested in following health guidelines - including the President - and too many put their individual "rights" ahead of the safety of the community.  Sweden at least has a sense of community responsibility which meant that many people locked themselves down, and did not need a government mandate to do so.

 

No their death count isn't higher.  Their economy is doing much better than most other European countries that shut down.  Their back to the way things were pre-covid, while we're still struggling with the ups and downs.  All because we wanted short term gain.  Sweden accepted some short term pain, for long term gain, and their back to pre-covid life now.  

[Shady]

17 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Give credit where it's due, it's not all about politics. Did their socialism help them out? Perhaps. They seem to have more social compassion to one another, which is different than economics. Instead of authoritarian government forcing business into shutdown and handing out billions in welfare, they used education and trust, and stayed open. I'll go with that.

Sweden didn't let people die.  They protected the most vulnerable, restricted large gatherings, and used masks when necessary.  This particular forum liar continues to lie, constantly.  He should be banned by now.  It's getting ridiculous.

[Boges]

49 minutes ago, Shady said:

No their death count isn't higher.  Death count isn't the only thing to weigh.  It's one factor.

Per Capital it is. 

[Boges]

50 minutes ago, Shady said:

Sweden didn't let people die.  They protected the most vulnerable, restricted large gatherings, and used masks when necessary.  This particular forum liar continues to lie, constantly.  He should be banned by now.  It's getting ridiculous.

Wahhhh!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Sweden: 582 Deaths/million

Canada: 253 Deaths/million. 

That's more than twice the deaths per capita.  

You're the one breaking forum rules with Ad hominem attacks. 

Edited October 8, 2020 by Boges

[Infidel Dog]

But if you want to weigh every factor let's consider that's a length of the infection stat. The final tally has yet to be made. 

Currently by your Worldometer stats Canada has 1,944 new cases and 13 new deaths.

Sweden has 0 new cases showing on the chart and 5 new deaths.

Canadians encouraged to stay home as second wave of Covid-19 worsens

Sweden avoids Europe’s second coronavirus wave

Edited October 8, 2020 by Infidel Dog

[OftenWrong]

5 hours ago, Boges said:

I read that a number of deaths were added retroactively. 

People who died in the Summer but were never recorded. 

That would be the only explanation of a day or two outside of the typical trend line. 

Fanatics and virus slaves artificially inflated the numbers in the guise of "data correction", at exactly the most vulnerable time for the public. Right when kids are going back to school. I provided the source links. These were deaths in May. There's no reason to list them in October. It's inexcusable.