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2 hours ago, Boges said:

What other contagious diseases have a 3-6% chance of killing someone in their 60's? 

That's why I take this seriously. Lots of people in their 60's are in the workforce and my parents are in their 60's. And to tell them to stay home so I can hit the bar is ridiculous. 

No one is not taking this serious, just to clarify your confusion about the intention of my posts. The question is about the method of dealing with it, and who is being left behind.

In other words, who the hell made any of you people the arbiters of death?

 

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It is time to cut the nonsense. The government said it was locking down to flatten the curve, so that our hospitals weren’t overwhelmed by covid hospitalizations. How close are Ontario hospitals to being overwhelmed by virus cases?

 

There are currently 380 covid hospitalizations of which 86 are in intensive care.

Source https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data.

 

How many hospitals are there in Ontario? 384

Source https://www.statista.com/statistics/440923/total-number-of-hospital-establishments-in-canada-by-province/.

 

Either Ford has little faith in the Ontario hospital system, beleiving that the hospitals can’t handle the almost to one patient on average per hospital, or he is being untruthful.

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Sheet's getting serious. 1,300+ cases yesterday. Hospitals in Peel are reaching capacity and elective surgeries are, again, being cancelled. We're looking down the barrel of another shutdown.

https://www.insauga.com/mississauga-mayor-says-hospitals-at-capacity-as-covid-19-situation-becomes-dire-in-peel

And it's not businesses fault, which is a shame. It's people who still want to have a fulfilling and robust social life in the face of a Global pandemic. 

House Parties and Social gatherings are the real culprit here. 

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On 9/29/2020 at 12:53 PM, OftenWrong said:

I think everybody should be able to do whatever they want, without orders from some authority. they should only provide guidelines.

That way the virus-slaves can maintain their facemask-wearing lifestyle with great diligence, and I won't be bothered. 

Everybody wins!

What i have learned over the years is that our dear leader politicians and the lying media should never be believed about anything they say or do especially when they keep reporting over and over again the same old bull shit every minute of the day about some thing. We all know and have heard enough about this Convid 19. Now leave us all alone and let's all be able to do our own thing without some dictator politician telling someone that if you do not do what I say about Convid 19, I will have you charged with a major criminal Convid 19 crime and have you arrested and fined or have you thrown in the gulag. Our politicians and the media pretty much know that this is all just one big farce. 

It is those Convid 19 slave face covering followers that keep this farce Convid 19 lie going. They refuse to dare to ask questions or challenge anything told to them by their dear comrade leader politicians and the Pravda lying media. We do not have journalists in the Canadian media anymore. They have all become leftist liberal comrade activists. Canada has truly become a country pretty much on the verge of becoming a communist country. All that we see going on in regards to this Convid 19 lie in Canada today smacks of communism. We have lost a lot of freedom/s. How much longer will the sheeple keep putting up with this so called new normal life? The old normal life was a lot better than this new one for sure. ;)

 

 

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On 11/11/2020 at 5:47 AM, Boges said:

Sheet's getting serious. 1,300+ cases yesterday. Hospitals in Peel are reaching capacity and elective surgeries are, again, being cancelled. We're looking down the barrel of another shutdown.

https://www.insauga.com/mississauga-mayor-says-hospitals-at-capacity-as-covid-19-situation-becomes-dire-in-peel

And it's not businesses fault, which is a shame. It's people who still want to have a fulfilling and robust social life in the face of a Global pandemic. 

House Parties and Social gatherings are the real culprit here. 

The population in BC is about 5,000,000 and the deaths from this Convid 19 has been around 300. No doubt many of those deaths are due to other factors and not this Convid virus. So, for 300 people BC creates all this f'n mess over nothing. Even the regular flu that comes around every year kills just as many people as this Convid virus is supposed to be doing. Yet nobody gave a shit then, so why this one? Well, what do you have to say about that, Bogey boy? ;)

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5 minutes ago, taxme said:

The population in BC is about 5,000,000 and the deaths from this Convid 19 has been around 300. No doubt many of those deaths are due to other factors and not this Convid virus. So, for 300 people BC creates all this f'n mess over nothing. Even the regular flu that comes around every year kills just as many people as this Convid virus is supposed to be doing. Yet nobody gave a shit then, so why this one? Well, what do you have to say about that, Bogey boy? ;)

Want to cite Annual BC Flu Deaths? Or you're just "Sure" they're comparable. 

Hospitalization is actually becoming a problem across Canada. And we know that Hospital capacity leads to a cascading effect in regards to deaths. 

Also deaths from other things because resources have to be devoted to COVID-19. 

 

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On 9/27/2020 at 9:07 AM, OftenWrong said:

The right-honerible Doug Ford needs to take a page from Governor DeSantis in Florida. Place an order to cease and desist all quarantine measures and suspend legal actions against any persons charged with disobeying covid-19 restrictions, such as not wearing a face mask.

It's not enough to say "We leave it up to the municipalities", because certain mayors like John Tory need to be kept in check. We the governed never gave that kind of authority to mayors, nor do they know how to handle it. It's a failure of leadership.

Indeed, Gov. DeSantis did do the right thing and pretty much left it up to the people of Florida to decide their own fate. DeSantis is a sign of a real and true conservative leader that Canada needs badly. Instead of having real and true freedom loving politicians all we get today in Canada is socialist/communists as leaders of Canada. They pretty much have all become leftist liberal and socialist activists who show no love or interest in Canada. They just want power and control over we the people and to be able to play with us all in the name of fun and games. 

Doug Ford is just another patsy for the globalists just like the rest of our dear political leaders in Canada. I actually thought that he was a man of and for the people. Boy, was I ever wrong. I am pretty sure that if his brother was the leader of Ontario this nonsense probably would not be going on in Ontario today. His brother was a man for the people. This buffoon is not. The whole bloody Canadian system appears to be corrupt from top to bottom. So sad indeed. :unsure:

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7 minutes ago, Boges said:

Want to cite Annual BC Flu Deaths? Or you're just "Sure" they're comparable. 

Hospitalization is actually becoming a problem across Canada. And we know that Hospital capacity leads to a cascading effect in regards to deaths. 

Also deaths from other things because resources have to be devoted to COVID-19. 

 

What? Are you that daft? Reports every year tell us all that thousands of people die every year from some flu virus in Canada. 

Hospitalization is no doubt becoming a problem because we are bringing in way too many immigrants and refugees into this country. Canada's population has gone up by over two million in the last couple of years and that has to be putting a strain on our medical system. There are very few new hospitals being built in Canada every year to handle the over load. Needed surgeries need to become important, not this China virus. 

Thousands of Canadians have been denied surgeries and many have died because of this farce Convid 19 virus that was supposed to kill tens of thousands of people in Canada. Beds were put aside for the thousands that were expected and supposed to show up after they contacted this fake virus that has not proven it's worth yet. 

And now our dear leaders are trying to make it appear as though this winter will only get worse because of this farce virus and more lock downs and face wearing masks will be required to try and stop the spread of this fake dangerous virus. Our old normal lives are being taken away from us all because of this virus farce.

I would prefer to have my freedom and liberty back rather than all of these safety protocols and measures that will prove nothing at all in the end but a bag of misery for all. If you want to wear a mask, social distance yourself, and self isolate then go ahead make your day. Just leave the rest of us alone and let us do our own thing and give us our old normal lives back. You and your dear comrade leaders have no right to deny me my rights and my freedoms. go away with your sillyness. Works for me. :D

 

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6 minutes ago, taxme said:

What? Are you that daft? Reports every year tell us all that thousands of people die every year from some flu virus in Canada. 

Cite them then? You said Canada, not BC's 300 COVID deaths vs how many people usually die from the Flu. 

As a comparison. Maybe 60,000 die of the Flu in the US every year. 

They might reach 400,000 deaths from COVID-19. 

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1 minute ago, Boges said:

Cite them then? You said Canada, not BC's 300 COVID deaths vs how many people usually die from the Flu. 

As a comparison. Maybe 60,000 die of the Flu in the US every year. 

They might reach 400,000 deaths from COVID-19. 

 

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

Cite them then? You said Canada, not BC's 300 COVID deaths vs how many people usually die from the Flu. 

As a comparison. Maybe 60,000 die of the Flu in the US every year. 

They might reach 400,000 deaths from COVID-19. 

I do not have access to all of the hospital records in all provinces as to how many people die every year from the seasonal flu virus, influenza or pneumonia but I am pretty dam sure that it runs in the thousands. 

300 people dying from some so called Convid virus in BC is nothing to cry or panic about and shutting the economy down and ruin and wreck hundreds of thousands of lives. More people have suffered in society and many have died from this farce. Event 201 explains it all about why this virus is here today and now creating havoc and chaos all over the world. People die from many things. This China virus is probably just your average virus. No big deal here. 

No one knows for sure as to hao many people will die from this so called China virus. All I know and read is that many deaths from other diseases and accidents seem to get lumped in with the Convid deaths for some nefarious reason? I wonder why?  Maybe to fabricate the numbers of people supposedly dying from this China virus to keep this farce going? There are plenty of people now making plenty of money off of this China virus. Hey, we never know, eh? ;)

 

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15 minutes ago, taxme said:

I do not have access to all of the hospital records in all provinces as to how many people die every year from the seasonal flu virus, influenza or pneumonia but I am pretty dam sure that it runs in the thousands. 

So you're just assuming that it's in the thousands. 

Perhaps the COVID death rate is so low because of Mask wearing and Social Distancing. And all the measure you're raging again. 

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2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

I can quote from memory that the average flu related death in this country is around 3000 to 5000 per year. As with Convid 19, people in old age homes are the most at risk.

Well we're going to more than double that in COVID-19 deaths. 

Granted the death rate has dropped since the early days. But Ontario is now recording 10+ deaths a day. 

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6 minutes ago, Boges said:

Perhaps the COVID death rate is so low because of Mask wearing and Social Distancing. And all the measure you're raging again. 

Mask wearing and social distance should affect the infection rate. The death rate is  affected by other factors. And yet the infection rate is now sky high, about 4 or 5 times higher than in the spring.

Look at Germany, their outbreak is just as bad as any other first world nation. 

Sweden is still the “winner”, even now. No one is talking about it anymore.

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6 minutes ago, Boges said:

Granted the death rate has dropped since the early days. But Ontario is now recording 10+ deaths a day. 

Dont get me wrong, its serious. Good that deaths are much lower now, which shows how the medical folks are adapting their methods.

The death rate may be comparable to the flu now, in terms of absolute numbers but it isnt high-risk flu season even yet. We are still outdoors. Expect worse to come.

Dont breathe near others. Just dont breathe.

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7 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Dont get me wrong, its serious. Good that deaths are much lower now, which shows how the medical folks are adapting their methods.

The death rate may be comparable to the flu now, in terms of absolute numbers but it isnt high-risk flu season even yet. We are still outdoors. Expect worse to come.

Dont breathe near others. Just dont breathe.

Glad you recognize that. 

Hospitalization has quadrupled since the summer. 

I actually don't agree with closing businesses up. A full lockdown won't help if people continue to have large social gatherings in their homes.

That's the culprit. 

People are wearing their masks in public.

It's spreading through workplaces and family settings. 

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The response continues to be highly disorganized. Decisions made at/by the minstry of health are communicated downward to the various public health units, but they all operate more or less independently, deciding for themselves what resources to make available for testing and tracing. Responsibilities are further confused, as individual hospitals are also responsible for different test sites and centres. Their IT systems seem to be disorganized, as well. I know someone who went for a test last week. She booked a test online, then showed up and found she still had to wait in a line to get in. Once inside she had to get into another line to register again, then had to get into another line to finally get to the intake reception. There they had no record of her. Nothing from the registration, nothing from online booking. They finally found her through her health card number because she'd had an MRI at the Montford hospital last year, and it was the Montford responsible for this testing centre. They traced her record from there and then finally found her registration!

The whole thing is a hodgepodge of different organizations with no central hierarchy running the show.

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1 hour ago, Boges said:

So you're just assuming that it's in the thousands. 

Perhaps the COVID death rate is so low because of Mask wearing and Social Distancing. And all the measure you're raging again. 

That is what I have heard in the past that many thousands of people have died from some of the many flu viruses that come around every year. You can check the internet for yourself if you wish. I have done just that. 

So, what proof do you have that wearing masks and social distancing is working anyway? You cite something for a change? ;)

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1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Dont get me wrong, its serious. Good that deaths are much lower now, which shows how the medical folks are adapting their methods.

The death rate may be comparable to the flu now, in terms of absolute numbers but it isnt high-risk flu season even yet. We are still outdoors. Expect worse to come.

Dont breathe near others. Just dont breathe.

Our own BC unelected health officer Bonnie poo Henry has just passed some real communist like draconian Convid 19 rules here in BC where she now has limited as to how many people can get together. What this dictator has done and said is that people are no longer allowed to host friends or extended family members at their homes, gather outdoors or meet up in restaurants. Just what the hell is going on here? Is this still going to be okay with the people of BC? 

How dare this sob declare such a thing? What is next with this non elected dictator? Lock everybody down for weeks? Where will all of this end? The people in the restaurant business are having a rough time already. This woman has gone insane with the powers that were given to her. She needs to be fired now. We cannot allow crazy in the head people like her to keep trying to destroy all of our lives. This has gone way beyond stupid now. It's insane. 

I knew and predicted that this winter would get worse with this Convid lie, and I was bloody well right. :(

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1 hour ago, Boges said:

Glad you recognize that. 

Hospitalization has quadrupled since the summer. 

I actually don't agree with closing businesses up. A full lockdown won't help if people continue to have large social gatherings in their homes.

That's the culprit. 

People are wearing their masks in public.

It's spreading through workplaces and family settings. 

So says the one who appears to be always in a state of panic and fear and paranoia over a farce virus scamdemic. You are all in favor of doing whatever the government and media tells you to do without questioning or challenging it first. :unsure:

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39 minutes ago, taxme said:

Just what the hell is going on here? Is this still going to be okay with the people of BC? 

The good people of BC are just gonna roll over, as usual. But young people are not going to take it. You think a young couple who are dating are going to stay home? Frig no.

That's what they're doing, as my son said. It's like they're killing us, but softly...

 

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2 hours ago, Argus said:

The whole thing is a hodgepodge of different organizations with no central hierarchy running the show.

No exactly, and everyone is able to make their own decisions, based on what they may or may not know. That's why you get different ideas in some places. Some more strict, some kinda relaxed. The road to hell, and stuff.

Leadership vacuum.

But I give Ford credit today that he's holding off the Covid dogs at the gate, those who want another complete shutdown. a province needs to be run from a number of diverse viewpoints, everything has a consequence. I'm not in favour of hand the reigns over to an unelected health officer, someone who is only and purely looking at it from their expertise. We've had a round of that already and seen the damage it caused. Some of this is sheer stupidity that could have been avoided.

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16 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

The choice is thousands dead or thousands out of work. I choose the latter

Fortunately you don't have to choose. The government made it so you can have both. The lockdown measures aren't to prevent infections, they are meant to flatten the curve so the hospitals won't be overwhelmed. With as many hospitals as covid patients that is not a problem. That means we can have massive unemployment and the virus. It will just be around for longer.

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