The Coronavirus

[Dougie93]

5 hours ago, Marocc said:

But you breathe and the particles stay in the air for some time. Lifting up your collar doesn't protect you.

No, it's not "particles"

It's droplets, and only the ones are your face are going to infect you

Even turning away from someone as they cough or sneeze protects you

[Marocc]

36 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

No, it's not "particles"

It's droplets, and only the ones are your face are going to infect you

Even turning away from someone as they cough or sneeze protects you

What infects you in particular is breathing them in.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerosol

"Particle size has a major influence on particle properties, and the aerosol particle radius or diameter (dp) is a key property used to characterise aerosols....." 

"......Aerosols vary in their dispersity. A monodisperse aerosol, producible in the laboratory, contains particles of uniform size. Most aerosols, however, as polydisperse colloidal systems, exhibit a range of particle sizes."

https://indianexpress.com/article/coronavirus/new-coronavirus-can-persist-in-air-for-hours-and-on-surfaces-for-days-study-6319829/

"The tests show that when the virus is carried by the droplets released when someone coughs or sneezes, it remains viable, or able to still infect people, in aerosols for at least three hours......."

Edited April 2, 2020 by Marocc

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Marocc said:

What infects you in particular is breathing them in.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerosol

"Particle size has a major influence on particle properties, and the aerosol particle radius or diameter (dp) is a key property used to characterise aerosols....." 

"......Aerosols vary in their dispersity. A monodisperse aerosol, producible in the laboratory, contains particles of uniform size. Most aerosols, however, as polydisperse colloidal systems, exhibit a range of particle sizes."

https://indianexpress.com/article/coronavirus/new-coronavirus-can-persist-in-air-for-hours-and-on-surfaces-for-days-study-6319829/

"The tests show that when the virus is carried by the droplets released when someone coughs or sneezes, it remains viable, or able to still infect people, in aerosols for at least three hours......."

Again, it is not an aerosol, not an airborne agent.

The droplets are heavy fall immediately back to the ground

[Boges]

24 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Again, it is not an aerosol, not an airborne agent.

The droplets are heavy fall immediately back to the ground

This is why the 6ft guideline for social distancing is vital. 

If you keep your distance from people, then you really shouldn't have a need for a mask. 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

This is why the 6ft guideline for social distancing is vital.

 

6ft ?     Isn't Canada metric ?    > 2 meters

[Boges]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

6ft ?     Isn't Canada metric ?    > 2 meters

We're kind of bilingual in how we deal with weights and measures. 

Inches, feet and pounds are still commonly used by most people. 

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Boges said:

We're kind of bilingual in how we deal with weights and measures. 

Inches, feet and pounds are still commonly used by most people. 

 

The provincial emergency measures say 2 meters...not 6 feet.

Too much American media again is my guess.

 

[Boges]

3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

The provincial emergency measures say 2 meters...not 6 feet.

Too much American media again is my guess.

Only if you see the world a binary. 

Governments will use Metric 100%. Individuals are a little more nuanced. 

If you ever watch Top Gear/Grand Tour. They seem to like to use MPH and Miles in the UK. 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

Only if you see the world a binary. 

Governments will use Metric 100%. Individuals are a little more nuanced. 

If you ever watch Top Gear/Grand Tour. They seem to like to use MPH and Miles in the UK. 

 

Sorry, but some here have insisted that Canada is metric compared to the U.S. as a matter of pride.

So much for that....

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

Med students in Alberta are joining the contact tracing effort. It’s kinda surprising this didn’t happen some time ago with health care students across the country:

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University of Calgary medical students and residents are helping fight the spread of COVID-19 on the front lines, and with their help the province has quadrupled its contact-tracing capacity.

"Within the first 24 hours of having those discussions we had already mobilized our first groups of medical students," she said. "Five days later we had trained 150 of them to be ready to go."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/u-of-c-covid-19-contact-tracing-1.5509022

I see John Haggie in NL is talking about it too:

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A small army of students could soon help bolster the province's efforts to trace a pandemic that's growing exponentially in Newfoundland and Labrador.

Health Minister John Haggie said there's been an offer from about 100 medical students in the province to jump in and start contact tracing.

He said they are also speaking with the nursing faculty at Memorial University about using fourth-year nursing students who were a few weeks away from graduation when the school year was dashed by COVID-19.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/covid-19-john-haggie-march-26-1.5510667
 

 

Edited April 2, 2020 by SpankyMcFarland

[bush_cheney2004]

Trudeau is getting grilled right now at a news conference....lots more word salad without any new information.

Easier to get specific information out of Bigfoot than Justin Trudeau.

 

Edited April 2, 2020 by bush_cheney2004

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

This is why the 6ft guideline for social distancing is vital. 

If you keep your distance from people, then you really shouldn't have a need for a mask. 

I think the six foot distance is to reduce the tendency of people to habitually touch one another...shaking hands, high fives, hugs, leaning in towards one another to looking at something on a phone.

To prevent us from simply being human in other words.

 

Edited April 2, 2020 by eyeball

[SpankyMcFarland]

40 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I think the six foot distance is to reduce the tendency of people to habitually touch one another...shaking hands, high fives, hugs, leaning in towards one another to looking at something on a phone.

To prevent us from simply being human in other words.

 

François Legault just cited two metres in French and spoke of ‘keeping your distances’ in English.  

[bush_cheney2004]

7 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

François Legault just cited two metres in French and spoke of ‘keeping your distances’ in English.  

 

Indeed...it is 2 meters (6.5 ft) in Canada  !!

[Rue]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

We're kind of bilingual in how we deal with weights and measures. 

Inches, feet and pounds are still commonly used by most people. 

Its confusing when watching porno and bragging. Anyways it's huge.

Edited April 2, 2020 by Rue

[OftenWrong]

2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

see John Haggie in NL is talking about it too:

Health Minister John Haggie said there's been an offer from about 100 Government Chivatos in the province to jump in and start contact tracing.

Fixed it for ya.

[SpankyMcFarland]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Health Minister John Haggie said there's been an offer from about 100 Government Chivatos in the province to jump in and start contact tracing.

Fixed it for ya.

Perhaps you could expand on that? 

[SpankyMcFarland]

4 hours ago, Boges said:

We're kind of bilingual in how we deal with weights and measures. 

Inches, feet and pounds are still commonly used by most people. 

From force of habit, I use Imperial for height, weight and golf. Beyond that it gets too cumbersome. 

Edited April 2, 2020 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

On the Cangov Covid website, two arms-length (approximately two metres) is what we’re aiming for up here. 

Edited April 2, 2020 by SpankyMcFarland

[Queenmandy85]

This is Canada. We measure in hockey sticks. (I prefer downhill skis, myself.)

[Moonbox]

6 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Again, it is not an aerosol, not an airborne agent.

The droplets are heavy fall immediately back to the ground

It's probably not transmitted by aerosol, but that's as far as the research goes.  They've found clear evidence of viral RNA within airborne particles but haven't found them to be viable for infection.  

The problem here, of course, is that to feel really safe about it you need to prove a negative.  It's not enough to just say, "We haven't recorded airborne transmission".   The sort of research needed to completely rule it out will probably take a year, or more, unfortunately.  We really don't know a ton about the virus yet.  

[Dougie93]

7 hours ago, Boges said:

This is why the 6ft guideline for social distancing is vital. 

If you keep your distance from people, then you really shouldn't have a need for a mask. 

Preaching to the choir

My duty is to protect my wife

Which means neither she nor me is leaving our compound right now

We have been in social isolation for weeks now

I bought this property specifically so we could be comfortable and relaxed when the shit hit the fan, for months if need be

[Dougie93]

32 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

It's probably not transmitted by aerosol, but that's as far as the research goes.  They've found clear evidence of viral RNA within airborne particles but haven't found them to be viable for infection.  

The problem here, of course, is that to feel really safe about it you need to prove a negative.  It's not enough to just say, "We haven't recorded airborne transmission".   The sort of research needed to completely rule it out will probably take a year, or more, unfortunately.  We really don't know a ton about the virus yet.  

Aerosol means airborne agent, that's not what it is

Aerosolization of liquids into a gas cannot be done by the human body

It is spray-spray-spray, people spray the heavy droplets out when they cough/sneeze, but those droplets fall right back down to earth within seconds

[SpankyMcFarland]

How Covid-19 may be spread remains a matter of debate:

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-breathing-talking-enough-spread-airborne

 

[Dougie93]

WMD mass casualty event de facto biological warfare in progress

Exponential knock effects inciting chaos, martial law in effect

Pull back inside your compounds and just stay there,  indefinitely as necessary

Enjoy the Staycation, problem solved