Argus Posted October 31, 2019 Author Report Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, dialamah said: I guess compassion would inspire people to make a minority feel accepted. When I'm in a public washroom, I don't see anyone's genitals and have no idea how the person in the next stall is built, And if you're in a changing room at the beach or pool and the 'woman' next to you is naked and has an erection, how do you feel then? And no, I'm not making this up. This actually happened in the UK, only with adolescents. And when the young girl complained to her parents and they complained to the school they were told to stop being bigots. 1 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted October 31, 2019 Report Posted October 31, 2019 19 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Huh is your response to things that you just don't understand. No its my response to the utterly stupid perspective you bring to these threads. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
WestCanMan Posted October 31, 2019 Report Posted October 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, eyeball said: No its my response to the utterly stupid perspective you bring to these threads. Once again, I'll dignify your answer with a response for no apparent reason. CNN and CBC are the leaders of the liberal flock, even to a greater extent than the Dem and Lib politicians. That's because the MSM picks up on what points they like and then stimulate your amygdala by reinforcing those points vigorously with emotional side stories and videos, or they cover the points minimally with no emotion so that the flock forgets them quickly, or they omit those points altogether and their flock never gets the opportunity to decide whether or not they care about it. As the leaders of the flock, their opinions are by definition the liberal opinions/talking points unless there's a huge uproar among their base. If you don't understand that then boo-hoo, stay in the sandbox making kiddie-level contributions to the discussions. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
Army Guy Posted October 31, 2019 Report Posted October 31, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 5:04 PM, eyeball said: I didn't think it would take long for the OP's ilk to denounce John Tory as a liberal lefty...and once you've gone that far you might as say he's Muslim too. Notice the OP didn't miss lumping them into the same howling mob as the left in his little rant. Ideology and politics are as binary to you people as sex. Once again eyeballs thats not what I said, john tory jumped on the liberal train , or should I say fell to his knees in hope of getting some of that cash Justin was throwing around....not because he is a liberal but he wanted his share of the hand outs....because the cons were not handing anything out... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
taxme Posted October 31, 2019 Report Posted October 31, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 8:55 AM, Army Guy said: The left does not want to talk or debate anything, instead they want to preach and tell the right how evil or intolerant the we are, and how we must change our evil ways...... Lots of examples right here on this forum, and when you confront them they quickly change the channel or direction of the talking points to be more suited to their side of the yelling match " because they don't want to debate anything" … And while both sides have their wingnuts, neither side left or right is doing anything but encouraging them... And the right is losing this battle big time it does nothing to protect or defend itself.., just look at the direction of the conservative party is going veering hard to the left to try and pick up a few votes.... And this is not just Canada's citizens that are practicing this leftist propaganda it is their leaders as well. To divide this nation as much as they can. There is no more "right' in Canada anymore. Just leftist liberal socialism.The last election showed us all that. With Trudeau back in power for another four more suffering years, he will go after conservatism big time now. And with his bought off Canadian media they will only be too happy to help him eliminate conservatism from Canadian politics and life altogether. Canada is now a true and real liberal socialist corrupt third world country, and with the help from the Canadian leftist bought off media, and the ANTIFA gang of red guards that will go out there and attack conservatism wherever it goes in Canada is what conservative will get now and get to face every day. They will cover up for our dear communist leader. That is what liberals do best. Divide and conquer and they will have four more years to be able to cause even more divisiveness. It's enevitable especially with all the new foreign cultures being allowed to come to Canada. The fun is about to begin, but even bigger and better than before. Enjoy. Quote
taxme Posted October 31, 2019 Report Posted October 31, 2019 41 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Once again eyeballs thats not what I said, john tory jumped on the liberal train , or should I say fell to his knees in hope of getting some of that cash Justin was throwing around....not because he is a liberal but he wanted his share of the hand outs....because the cons were not handing anything out... It's so sad that most Canadians pay little attention to how their tax dollars are being blown. Some even have the idea that all the money that the government wastes is government money, and not theirs. Yes, those clueless people do exist in Canada. All politicians love to waste taxpayer's tax dollars, and know that they can do so because they know that most of the sheeple could careless. If these fools think that they are not paying enough taxes, well just wait. Trudeau will fix all of that for them. The old saying "tax me, I am Canadian" is so evident, and so true. The bigger the government and higher the taxes the better they think that it is good for them. Unreal. Quote
Cannucklehead Posted October 31, 2019 Report Posted October 31, 2019 https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4545415 Much of the spending is baked into the plan long before any politicians even get elected. In general terms, about a quarter of any budget goes to transfers to individuals (those elderly benefits we started with, but also Employment Insurance and Children's Benefits). Another quarter of the pie goes to the provinces (including the Canada Social Transfer and the Canada Health Transfer). Crown corporations, public debt charges and national defence combine for another 18 per cent. yeah we dont need any of that stuff. 1 Quote
Queenmandy85 Posted November 1, 2019 Report Posted November 1, 2019 It is a bit of a double standard. Women on the campus where I worked had no problem using the mens washroom in residence. Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
jacee Posted November 1, 2019 Report Posted November 1, 2019 Attn Argus and WestCanMan in particular. Current scientific knowledge on transgenderism: Genital gender and brain gender develop at different times. M/F depends on the hormones operating at each time. Transgender people have one gender genitals, and the other gender brains. That's why kids may claim the opposite gender quite early: Their brain tells them they're a boy even though they have a vagina, or a girl even though they have a penis. And it's true. It isn't something anyone does or says to them. It is just a very real fact of life. It is also true that genitals can be non-definitive - part vagina part penis. Surgical correction is possible, but best left until the kid identifies their own brain gender. It isn't as simple as man-woman. Anyone like Argus and WestCanMan who deny the reality are not well informed, or simply choose ignorance and prejudice. And yes, some men desire men and some women desire women, and some transgender women desire men, others desire women. It's nobody's business what's under your clothes, or who you desire. There are some complexities to be worked out - sports, washrooms, dressing rooms, shelters. All legitimate issues with answers possible through sensible and respectful discussion ... respectful of the fact that gender is not binary, but complex. That's the way nature is, not black and white but a rainbow of colours. 1 Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted November 1, 2019 Report Posted November 1, 2019 (edited) Thinking like woman doesn't make you a woman, and thinking like a man doesn't make you a man. You can be a man who thinks like a woman, and thinks he's a woman, without being transgender, and vice versa. This male brain/female brain thing is bullsh*t, it's gender dysphoria, it's a delusion, and while their brains might be wired in a way that makes it more likely to have that delusion, that doesn't actually make them a woman in man's body or vice versa. Actually transitioning to the opposite sex with surgery and hormone treatment often does more harm than good, even to adults experiencing gender dysphoria, it's a terrible way to treat it, and many regret the decision at some point in the future. There is a reason that so many transgender individuals commit suicide, and it has little to do with how the rest of society treats them, and everything to do with their own mental issues, that aren't fixed with hormones and surgery. Jews in death camps were treated far worse than transgenders and never committed suicide at the rates of transgenders, not even close, despite having far more reason based on how the rest of the world treated them. It's not everyone else who is the problem, it's their own mental state that is the problem, their perception doesn't line up with reality, and they have a persecution complex not justified by their surroundings in the vast majority of instances. Edited November 1, 2019 by Yzermandius19 1 Quote
Argus Posted November 1, 2019 Author Report Posted November 1, 2019 6 hours ago, jacee said: Current scientific knowledge on transgenderism: No one doubts the gender dysphoria is an actual proven scientific concept. It only occurs in a tiny number of people, however. And it is there at birth. It does not suddenly occur to people at age 20 or 30 that they're actually a girl. There is no such thing as gender fluidity. That is an imagined construct. Most of the people who claim to be transgendered are clearly not. They're people with a variety of emotional and psychological issues who have seized on this as a means to gain sympathy and attention. 6 hours ago, jacee said: There are some complexities to be worked out - sports, washrooms, dressing rooms, shelters. All legitimate issues with answers possible through sensible and respectful discussion ... respectful of the fact that gender is not binary, but complex. There is no respectful discussion on this issue. The mob outside the library were no interested in respectful discussion. They were shouting insults and obscenities. The same goes for the mob that were hammering on the window when Jordan Peterson gave a discussion on a variety of topics. The same as the mob who harassed people at an Ottawa library when Peterson spoke there. The vitriol from the Left on this issue has been akin to religious fanatics denouncing heresy to anyone who stands in the way of anyone who says they are a woman being treated like a woman in every conceivable respect, including going to womens prisons, access to womens change rooms, and access to womens rape crisis centres and shelters. Feminists who object to any of this have been de-platformed and attacked, sometimes physically. Vancouver Pride denounced the Vancouver library for allowing Murphy to speak and then refused to allow the Library to be represented in their parade. The Left has been totalitarian on this issue, as on others, and has zero interest in dialogue or discussion. 1 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Teena Posted November 1, 2019 Report Posted November 1, 2019 Meghan Murphy Talk In Vancouver Cancelled Following Toronto Protests https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/meghan-murphy-vancouver-simon-fraser-university_ca_5dbb4352e4b00d83f7252c34?utm_hp_ref=ca-homepage Free speech going out the window 1 Quote
eyeball Posted November 1, 2019 Report Posted November 1, 2019 18 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said: It is a bit of a double standard. Women on the campus where I worked had no problem using the mens washroom in residence. I've got no problem using a women's washroom on occasion. I'm getting to the age that if I have to go i have to go NOW. Gender in the last thing on my mind. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
dialamah Posted November 1, 2019 Report Posted November 1, 2019 The swimming pools I go to have family change rooms, which men, women, boys and girls all use together. One of the pools has separate change areas for men/women/families, but they're all together in a single space. No worry here about men sneaking in to be pervs, under the guise of wanting to swim with their kids. Relaxing in the hot tub after a swim the other day, I overheard a dad being much too enthusiastic about his ~11 year old daughter's friend coming to visit; neither girl seemed overly interested. Creeped me out, that's for sure. Maybe Muslims do have the right idea - separate swim times for males and females, along with our separate change rooms and bathrooms. Quote
Goddess Posted November 1, 2019 Report Posted November 1, 2019 26 minutes ago, dialamah said: Maybe Muslims do have the right idea - separate swim times for males and females, along with our separate change rooms and bathrooms. You realize that Muslim segregation of females does not stop at swimming, correct? 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
jacee Posted November 1, 2019 Report Posted November 1, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Argus said: There is no respectful discussion on this issue. The mob outside the library were no interested in respectful discussion. They were shouting insults and obscenities. The same goes for the mob that were hammering on the window when Jordan Peterson gave a discussion on a variety of topics. The same as the mob who harassed people at an Ottawa library when Peterson spoke there. The vitriol from the Left on this issue has been akin to religious fanatics denouncing heresy to anyone who stands in the way of anyone who says they are a woman being treated like a woman in every conceivable respect, including going to womens prisons, access to womens change rooms, and access to womens rape crisis centres and shelters. Feminists who object to any of this have been de-platformed and attacked, sometimes physically. Vancouver Pride denounced the Vancouver library for allowing Murphy to speak and then refused to allow the Library to be represented in their parade. The Left has been totalitarian on this issue, as on others, and has zero interest in dialogue or discussion. Freedom of expression in action. We all have it. Nobody promised anybody an adoring audience. People get booed off the stage all the time. Because they're just not too popular. Oh well. Edited November 1, 2019 by jacee Quote
Argus Posted November 1, 2019 Author Report Posted November 1, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Teena said: Meghan Murphy Talk In Vancouver Cancelled Following Toronto Protests https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/meghan-murphy-vancouver-simon-fraser-university_ca_5dbb4352e4b00d83f7252c34?utm_hp_ref=ca-homepage Free speech going out the window The doublespeak of the far left on free speech issues continues to either amuse or amaze. They can say, in all sincerity, that up is down and black is white, as if that should be believed. "However, Hurley told HuffPost Canada that it’s not about stopping free speech, but allowing trans and non-binary peoples’ rights to be respected. “We’re not trying to remove someone’s rights to free speech. We’re just still fighting for our own,” they said. “We’re still fighting for our own rights to be respected.” And of course it IS about removing someone's rights to free speech, and when they talk of 'their rights to be respected', they mean their right to silence anyone who disagrees with them. This is something you hear fairly widely from the far Left. Note the talk wasn't cancelled due to a lack of interest, but fear of violence from the far Left. Speaking to Daily Hive, Collard said he believed planning was “going really smoothly until yesterday morning.” “I went to the Harbour Centre to do the final walkthrough and … the director of our public safety on campus informed me that they had credible threats being made of direct action on the night of the event at the Harbour Centre. Including, you know, in-person disruption [of the event] and pulling of fire alarms and also property damage being planned,” he said. “And that … changed the calculation in terms of thinking about the safety of not just the participants but the audience and all the people in the building.” https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/gender-identity-meghan-murphy-sfu-cancelled Edited November 1, 2019 by Argus 1 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Army Guy Posted November 1, 2019 Report Posted November 1, 2019 2 hours ago, dialamah said: The swimming pools I go to have family change rooms, which men, women, boys and girls all use together. One of the pools has separate change areas for men/women/families, but they're all together in a single space. No worry here about men sneaking in to be pervs, under the guise of wanting to swim with their kids. Relaxing in the hot tub after a swim the other day, I overheard a dad being much too enthusiastic about his ~11 year old daughter's friend coming to visit; neither girl seemed overly interested. Creeped me out, that's for sure. Maybe Muslims do have the right idea - separate swim times for males and females, along with our separate change rooms and bathrooms. In all the pools I have been to they do have 3 separate spaces , men, women , and family the only difference is the family rooms have stalls so kids and parents can change in the same stall but not the same space, so the pervs are not getting what they want, if your a trans or what ever your called today, then use the family stalls nobody really cares about who you are or what you think you are....but don't force you issues on everyone else because you think you have a right to.... ..........the other spaces men's room, has men / boys openly changing in open spaces, I would not want to be that guy who walked into the women's room stripped down and got into the shower, because he thought he was a women...I'm pretty sure you'd be in for a beating....or arrest if the cops where called....either way your days of openly changing in the women's change room are going to be extremely limited... There are already enough problems with keeping our kids/ family safe, why do we need to open another can of worms by accommodating someone who is not sure what they are.... this is not starship troopers where all sexes have one shower /change room, north American culture is not ready for that yet... nor are we ready to be forced into it , because someone has mental issues or is confused as to what gender they are.... Muslims go to great lengths to cover they women , because their men can not control their sexual lust...want to get some unwanted attention in a Muslim country, then wear something like shorts or yoga pants in public.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Argus Posted November 1, 2019 Author Report Posted November 1, 2019 35 minutes ago, jacee said: Freedom of expression in action. We all have it. Nobody promised anybody an adoring audience. People get booed off the stage all the time. Because they're just not too popular. Oh well. I'm fairly certain if a mob of conservatives showed up when a transgender type was giving a talk and started screaming abuse at people you'd be enraged. The fact is the transgender narrative is mocked and ridiculed by the vast majority of the population. The only people who actually believe this crap are progressives, and they're a small group which seeks to get its way by bullying, threatening, and committing violence. 1 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Army Guy Posted November 1, 2019 Report Posted November 1, 2019 35 minutes ago, jacee said: Freedom of expression in action. We all have it. Nobody promised anybody an adoring audience. People get booed off the stage all the time. Because they're just not too popular. Oh well. So I guess freedom of speech is out the window....here's a new concept , don't go, if YOU don't like them....I go to the movies all the time, do I go to the movies I don't like , then stand up like a retard and yell and talk through out the entire movie because I did not like it.... No thats a leftist tactic...people pay good money to here people with different opinions what gives you the right to screw with that freedom..... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Argus Posted November 1, 2019 Author Report Posted November 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Army Guy said: So I guess freedom of speech is out the window....here's a new concept , don't go, if YOU don't like them....I go to the movies all the time, do I go to the movies I don't like , then stand up like a retard and yell and talk through out the entire movie because I did not like it.... No thats a leftist tactic...people pay good money to here people with different opinions what gives you the right to screw with that freedom..... Her attitude reminds me of a video I saw recently from Ideacity. The moderator talks of all the progressives and left wing people they've had on stage over the years, going all the way to Bobbie Kennedy. And in all that time there was never any complaints, any objections or demands to stop it. But the moment they started to bring forward people with fairly intellectual heft to discuss the other side of stories, suddenly there were howls of protest. This is the totalitarian mindset of the progressives. As he says, the so-called progressives have become increasingly unprogressive - they were the people who didn't want to hear from anyone else. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted November 2, 2019 Report Posted November 2, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Argus said: I'm fairly certain if a mob of conservatives showed up when a transgender type was giving a talk and started screaming abuse at people you'd be enraged. The fact is the transgender narrative is mocked and ridiculed by the vast majority of the population. The only people who actually believe this crap are progressives, and they're a small group which seeks to get its way by bullying, threatening, and committing violence. Transgender people weren't enraged when the homophobic Christian bigots brought their hatred to try to disrupt Pride Fest. Transgender people were just determined to block them and shield Pride Fest from their hate signs and loudspeakers. And they did. It was the hateful and furious Christian homophobes who attacked the transgender people violently. Your generalized fear of transgender people - transphobia - is noted. But the world moves on without you. Trans people have the protection of the Constitution and hate propaganda laws, which put reasonable limits on your freedom of expression. Maybe try 'live and let live' as a philosophy, to put less stress on your vital organs. Such futile hatred is a health threat. Chill your jets, man. Edited November 2, 2019 by jacee 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted November 2, 2019 Report Posted November 2, 2019 Freedom of expression has it's limitations , leftist can pay to enter the event, but when they start to disturb or protest they are normally escorted out by security....and it does not have anything to do with your rights or freedoms , but rather just security doing what it gets paid to....ensuring the event goes on as planed , and everyone gets their moneys worth... mean while those that paid to listen gets a bonus , watching leftist make a fool of themselves, and then get escorted or dragged out...on to the street...either way I'm good.... Were not the ones enraged....it is the left, who are the ones foaming at the mouths over the very presence of a speaker from the right.... I mean why would you get dress up in ski masks , make up signs and travel out in the elements to stand out side screaming your heads off thinking your making a difference , lets not forget confronting the elderly because they are cowards....that sounds like enraged....while the right is inside, giggling how pissed you are....it's not the speaker thats the real entertainment it's the left wing nuts out side... So really all your doing is contributing to these events, you want in to protest you pay, don't pay your out in the street... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
scribblet Posted November 2, 2019 Report Posted November 2, 2019 No, freedom of expression is being allowed to speak without a howling mob shouting you down and getting your speech cancelled. It's the left wing method of shutting down debate and stifling opposing opinions. Murphy is standing up for women, because now transgenderism is oppressing real, biological women. "Self identification' doesn't automatically make you a woman. This is nothing but McCarthyism done by the left. https://www.thepostmillennial.com/the-wrong-kind-of-feminism-meghan-murphy-speaks-in-vancouver/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18981931 A 2008 study found that most gender dysphoric youths had resolved their dysphoria by adulthood, without transitioning. Most of that group turned out to be gay or bisexual. Had they been put on high doses of hormones or even had surgery, they would have done potentially or actually irreversible damage to their bodies. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
jacee Posted November 2, 2019 Report Posted November 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, scribblet said: No, freedom of expression is being allowed to speak without a howling mob shouting you down and getting your speech cancelled. Counter-speech is freedom of expression too. Nobody promised anyone an adoring audience. Quote
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