eyeball Posted August 15, 2020 Report Posted August 15, 2020 1 hour ago, OftenWrong said: Canada will not do shit against the Chinaman. We are too weak and scared. Just look at how this government shakes in their booties whenever the Chinese make snarling noises. Canada, you have something to say to us? Do you think they'll still be snarling or laughing their asses off if we let Meng return to China? Quote - Another Canadian on death row. And another. And another... If Meng gets sent to USA they will be put quickly to death one-two-three. Then the legendary Chinese efficiency will be on full display as a lesson for Canada to see. They'll probably execute a couple anyway just to add a few shits to the giggles. It'll be curious to see your reaction if Biden wins the US election and drops charges against Meng. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Michael Hardner Posted August 15, 2020 Report Posted August 15, 2020 5 hours ago, eyeball said: It'll be curious to see your reaction if Biden wins the US election and drops charges against Meng. I think that this might be the thing that they call realpolitik. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
OftenWrong Posted August 15, 2020 Report Posted August 15, 2020 5 hours ago, eyeball said: Do you think they'll still be snarling or laughing their asses off if we let Meng return to China? They'll probably execute a couple anyway just to add a few shits to the giggles. It'll be curious to see your reaction if Biden wins the US election and drops charges against Meng. What can I do with this response... not much. Your point about Biden letting her go would be interesting. I wish you would stop asking me about my reaction or feelings. In this case I would be a little amazed at the shallowness of politics and law. Other than that you would not be impressed or thrilled with anything radical from my response. Do I think they'll be snarling or laughing their asses off? I don't care. I think they will award Canada some nice business contracts, and Canadians will get jobs and be happy. And we will continue on our road to hell. Quote
OftenWrong Posted August 15, 2020 Report Posted August 15, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: I think that this might be the thing that they call realpolitik. I assume the "ups" (heart) are given to encourage the poster to keep up his tirade of boring sarcasm. Edited August 15, 2020 by OftenWrong Quote
Michael Hardner Posted August 15, 2020 Report Posted August 15, 2020 14 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: I assume the "ups" (heart) are given to encourage the poster to keep up his tirade of boring sarcasm. "I wish you would stop asking me about my reactions or feelings" Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
OftenWrong Posted August 15, 2020 Report Posted August 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said: "I wish you would stop asking me about my reactions or feelings" Again it's about me. Movin on... 1 Quote
Argus Posted August 17, 2020 Author Report Posted August 17, 2020 It appears as though China is buying influence with at least one (and likely more) of the Conservative leadership candidates. This brings the next question, how did this Pro-China group gain access to Jason Kenney’s office then? Who nominated these people? One name stood out: Jeff Trinh. Jeff Trinh worked as a Senior Outreach Advisor for Jason Kenney. A quick search through the Queen Elizabeth II Diamond Jubilee Medal record shows that Jeff Trinh was nominated too, despite being a largely unknown figure to the Chinese community at the time. It was unclear what merits Trinh's nomination had been made based on. Recently, Jeff Trinh has been hired by the Erin O’Toole campaign to run Chinese Outreach for the Conservative Leadership Campaign. His close ties to wealthy Chinese Developer Ted (Jiancheng) Zhou raises red flags again. In 2018, The Globe and Mail reported that Ted Zhou who has close ties to high-level Communist Party officials in China. https://thenationaltelegraph.com/national/chinas-political-entryism-and-hypocrisy-in-the-conservative-leadership-race Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Moonlight Graham Posted August 17, 2020 Report Posted August 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Argus said: It appears as though China is buying influence with at least one (and likely more) of the Conservative leadership candidates. China has obviously been lobbying our gov for a long time. It only makes sense on their part that they would have people working for them who have infiltrated our government at many points. They infiltrated Nortel and stole their secrets, they infiltrated the government's national disease research center and were caught last year. It's not very hard for someone working for their gov to move to Canada and join the government or government parties, key companies etc and either steal information or otherwise push for the CCP's interests. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Michael Hardner Posted August 17, 2020 Report Posted August 17, 2020 9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: China has obviously been lobbying our gov for a long time. It only makes sense on their part that they would have people working for them who have infiltrated our government at many points. They infiltrated Nortel and stole their secrets, they infiltrated the government's national disease research center and were caught last year. It's not very hard for someone working for their gov to move to Canada and join the government or government parties, key companies etc and either steal information or otherwise push for the CCP's interests. Some of what you write is speculation, but still it's clear that there is espionage going on and we have to be on guard. I was going to write a sharper response here, just FYI, but I looked into the examples you posted and you're not wrong... just not proven right. Thanks for the informative post. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
onlythetruthmatters Posted August 17, 2020 Report Posted August 17, 2020 Its kinda useless to talk about Canada china relations....Canada will just follow what the US does......If Trump wins the election which is looking more likely by the day to me... decoupling with China will continue.....China does not honour contracts....They have consistently lied to all US presidents for at least 20 years. They have not honoured the Hong Kong contract. They promised not to militarize the south China sea. In the end china's greediness on the Trade front could end up hurting them badly...They probably hold too much US denominated debt and if the US dollar devalues their holding will devalue its like making a bad investment.....They should have diversified better...... The Us dollar has been weakening lately...time will tell if this is a blip or a trend.......Get ready for a very volatile financial world 2 Quote
PIK Posted August 17, 2020 Report Posted August 17, 2020 19 hours ago, Argus said: It appears as though China is buying influence with at least one (and likely more) of the Conservative leadership candidates. This brings the next question, how did this Pro-China group gain access to Jason Kenney’s office then? Who nominated these people? One name stood out: Jeff Trinh. Jeff Trinh worked as a Senior Outreach Advisor for Jason Kenney. A quick search through the Queen Elizabeth II Diamond Jubilee Medal record shows that Jeff Trinh was nominated too, despite being a largely unknown figure to the Chinese community at the time. It was unclear what merits Trinh's nomination had been made based on. Recently, Jeff Trinh has been hired by the Erin O’Toole campaign to run Chinese Outreach for the Conservative Leadership Campaign. His close ties to wealthy Chinese Developer Ted (Jiancheng) Zhou raises red flags again. In 2018, The Globe and Mail reported that Ted Zhou who has close ties to high-level Communist Party officials in China. https://thenationaltelegraph.com/national/chinas-political-entryism-and-hypocrisy-in-the-conservative-leadership-race Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.lol. You still have to deal with the chinese. It is how you deal with them is the question. 1 Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Argus Posted September 14, 2020 Author Report Posted September 14, 2020 A company in China which does business with the Chinese military is gathering information on influential Canadians, politicians, and their families. Also on criminals. Why would they want to gather information on criminals? Maybe to make use of them? Zhenhua declined an interview request, saying it was not convenient to disclose trade secrets. The company’s website became inaccessible after The Globe and Mail visited its office, which is located in a government-backed business incubator building across the street from an investigative centre for the local Public Security Bureau — all of it a short drive from headquarters for some of China’s most important technology and civil-military companies, including Tencent and China Electronics Corp. But The Globe and a consortium of international journalists have accessed an early copy of the company’s Overseas Key Information Database, which shows the type of information Zhenhua is collecting for use in China, including records of small-town mayors in western Canada, where Chinese diplomats have sought to curry favour. The company, led by a former IBM data centre management expert, has also described its work online in job postings, LinkedIn records, blog articles and software patents. One employee described work “mining the business needs of military customers for overseas data.” Zhenhua’s website listed a series of partners that include important military contractors. In total, it claims to have collected information on more than 2.4 million people, 650,000 organizations from over two billion articles of social media. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-chinese-firm-amasses-trove-of-open-source-data-on-influential/ Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 23, 2020 Author Report Posted September 23, 2020 China regards its program to 'adjust' the thinking of Muslims as so successful they're not forcing 500,000 Tibetans into labour camps. Apparently they haven't been showing sufficient gratitude for being invaded, having their leaders shot, and their culture destroyed. New evidence suggests the Chinese government now has a large-scale mandatory "vocational training" program in Tibet, pushing more than 500,000 rural labourers into recently built military-style training centres in the first seven months of this year alone. The evidence has been compiled by German anthropologist Dr Adrian Zenz, whose research was instrumental in raising the profile of the security build-up and mass detention of Uighurs in China's remote Xinjiang province. The labour camps are accompanied by enforced indoctrination, intrusive surveillance, and harsh punishments for those who fail to meet labour transfer quotas, according to the research. https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/china-forces-500-000-tibetans-into-labour-camps-20200922-p55xyk.html Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 24, 2020 Author Report Posted September 24, 2020 China is expanding its re-education camps, and are now turning some of them into walled 'factory' production centres for forced labour. "Instead, available evidence suggests that many extrajudicial detainees in Xinjiang's vast "re-education" network are now being formally charged and locked up in higher security facilities, including newly built or expanded prisons, or sent to walled factory compounds for coerced labour assignments." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-54277430 1 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted September 24, 2020 Report Posted September 24, 2020 ...and the Biden's are apparently taking cash bribes from them. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
ironstone Posted September 24, 2020 Report Posted September 24, 2020 In a perfect common sense world, we should at least be steadily weaning ourselves off this relationship with China but that's not going to happen. It is worrisome just how far the tentacles of the Chinese Communist Party are reaching into Canadian politics,in all parties. At the end of the day, Justin Trudeau was and is a fan of the Communist Chinese. 1 Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
Michael Hardner Posted September 24, 2020 Report Posted September 24, 2020 The pragmatic posts above are what I appreciate most. The posts about Chinese misdeeds are informative but I am hopeful that somebody can educate us about specific examples where an alternative arrangement and/or negotiation with China bore fruit. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Argus Posted September 24, 2020 Author Report Posted September 24, 2020 41 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: ...and the Biden's are apparently taking cash bribes from them. If you think the Chinese haven't been paying off a group of greedy grifters like the Trumps you're awfully naive. 1 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted September 24, 2020 Report Posted September 24, 2020 Just now, Argus said: If you think the Chinese haven't been paying off a group of greedy grifters like the Trumps you're awfully naive. If you insist... However, your speculation is trumped (lol) by the Democrats actually doing it....in front of everybody. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted September 24, 2020 Author Report Posted September 24, 2020 15 minutes ago, ironstone said: In a perfect common sense world, we should at least be steadily weaning ourselves off this relationship with China but that's not going to happen. It is worrisome just how far the tentacles of the Chinese Communist Party are reaching into Canadian politics,in all parties. At the end of the day, Justin Trudeau was and is a fan of the Communist Chinese. It is becoming clearer daily that China has morphed from a sullen, inward looking communist regime to an fascist police state which is working on expanding its power and influence around the world. Yet no one is confronting them except Trump. And Trump, let's face it, couldn't really care less what China does. Everything Trump is doing with China is being done for political purposes and almost entirely with regard to trade. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted September 24, 2020 Report Posted September 24, 2020 Morphed? China has been like this since 1949. During WW2, Allied supplies given to Mao were used to attack the Nationalists. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted September 24, 2020 Author Report Posted September 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: If you insist... However, your speculation is trumped (lol) by the Democrats actually doing it....in front of everybody. And I believe this because, after all, the Republicans have said it. So it must be true. And my speculation has nothing to do with Chinese money openly flowing into the Trump development corp in the hundreds of millions. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/05/15/see-you-court-china-funding-new-trump-resort-project-president-clear-violation Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 24, 2020 Author Report Posted September 24, 2020 Just now, DogOnPorch said: Morphed? China has been like this since 1949. During WW2, Allied supplies given to Mao were used to attack the Nationalists. Are you suggesting China wasn't Communist under Mao? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted September 24, 2020 Report Posted September 24, 2020 Just now, Argus said: And I believe this because, after all, the Republicans have said it. So it must be true. And my speculation has nothing to do with Chinese money openly flowing into the Trump development corp in the hundreds of millions. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/05/15/see-you-court-china-funding-new-trump-resort-project-president-clear-violation Yes, I'm aware you hate Trump with a red-hot passion. Go Joe... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted September 24, 2020 Report Posted September 24, 2020 Just now, Argus said: Are you suggesting China wasn't Communist under Mao? ? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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