The road to 2020

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

What...so all of the sudden you are taking what Trump says to heart as Gospel ?

And how much have you seen ?    We you alive in 1968 ?

Obviously, (I think) the point is not what I take away from what Trump says.  It's what Trump thinks his supporters will take away from it. 

It's what I think of that, that matters to me.  It's why I find him such an appalling, irredeemable figure.

Edit>  Missed the last question.  I was alive, but in the UK in secondary school.  Still, I don't see a Vietnam War and a couple of assassinations riling up the electorate at the moment.  Just Trump.

Edited November 3, 2020 by bcsapper

[bush_cheney2004]

8 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Obviously, (I think) the point is not what I take away from what Trump says.  It's what Trump thinks his supporters will take away from it. 

It's what I think of that, that matters to me.  It's why I find him such an appalling, irredeemable figure.

 

Trump doesn't have that much control over his supporters.   Some partisan groups just use Trump for their own agenda(s).   The U.S. federal election for president has many built-in measures to thwart any attempt to hijack the process.   There is the actual election tomorrow, state counts and certifications, EC electors chosen (faithful and unfaithful), EC vote in December, and in January the President of the Senate has to certify the vote.

Any monkey business would end up in the courts.    This process even happened during the U.S. Civil War.

In the 1960's, we used to shoot them dead !

Edited November 3, 2020 by bush_cheney2004

[Cannucklehead]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Trump doesn't have that much control over his supporters.   Some partisan groups just use Trump for their own agenda(s).   The U.S. federal election for president has many built-in measures to thwart any attempt to hijack the process.   There is the actual election tomorrow, state counts and certifications, EC electors chosen (faithful and unfaithful), EC vote in December, and in January the President of the Senate has to certify the vote.

Any monkey business would end up in the courts.    This process even happened during the U.S. Civil War.

And 2016 with Russia.  But trumpers call it a hoax along with everything else that doesnt go their way.  

[Argus]

23 hours ago, Shady said:

Robin Williams:  “Joe says shit that even people with Turret syndrome say no”. 

You realize that this actually discredits your argument that he's senile, right? Because this is from  years ago and he's always acted like this.

[Shady]

22 minutes ago, Argus said:

You realize that this actually discredits your argument that he's senile, right? Because this is from  years ago and he's always acted like this.

Touché.

[Argus]

10 minutes ago, Shady said:

Touché.

For the record, I came across this on the topic.

Have any of you who push this met an actual senile person? Do you think they could win (in the eyes of the voting public) three 90-minute, nationally-televised, ad-free political debates? ( The 1v1 primary debate with Sanders, and the two debates with Trump.) Do you think they could memorize all kinds of contemporary socio-economic statistics for said debates?

It is true that Biden has a problem with slurring his speech. But that is a product of a speech impediment, not senility. He has struggled with slurring his speech and stuttering for decades. But if you listen to his speeches and debate rhetoric, hammy though it is, a fair-minded observer would not conclude he has no idea what he is saying.

Some "skeptics" of the stuttering explanation point out that he slurs his speech much more than he used to. But it is perfectly normal for the symptoms of stutterers to worsen with age. Via Wikipedia: "It is common for individuals who suffer from a lifetime stuttering problem for their symptoms to worsen considerably as they reach their 70s and 80s."

[Infidel Dog]

I think this election eve tweet by Dan Bongino is my favorite of the day:

Hope he wins just so I can see that. 

[OftenWrong]

9 hours ago, Argus said:

You realize that this actually discredits your argument that he's senile, right? Because this is from  years ago and he's always acted like this.

It actually reinforces the notion, as many with senility are often the types who are known to make verbal slip ups and have moments of dumb-ness in their discourse. They are more prone to getting dementia as age-related cognitive decline sets in. You know what I mean?

 

[BeaverFever]

Final prediction:  

 

1) Biden will win decisively but not necessarily by a landslide. Dems will also make major gains in House, Senate and State elections, tipping balance of power

 

2) Trumptards will resort to wild conspiracy theories,bogus claims of massive election fraud and causing trouble at he polling stations 

 

3) Trumptard violence, conspiracy theories, and right wing terrorism like the plot against the governor in Michigan will be the new normal at least through Bides first term 

 

4) In terms of what really matters in people’s lives such as healthcare,  education, water quality and pollution, job protections, worker amd consumer rights and general living standards, nothing will change or will continue to worsen because America’s problems can’t be fixed by anyone. 

[Boges]

13 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

It indicates something. But are you sure that those votes are for democrats, and not just a random mix of people scared to vote in person? How do you know?

Well considering Trump has never increased his popularity from 2016 the higher voter turnout would indicate problems for him. 

Trump admits as much. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/30/trump-republican-party-voting-reform-coronavirus

[OftenWrong]

4 minutes ago, Boges said:

Well considering Trump has never increased his popularity from 2016 the higher voter turnout would indicate problems for him. 

Trump admits as much. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/30/trump-republican-party-voting-reform-coronavirus

But no matter how many come out to vote, you can only win an EC one at a time. We shall see in the next several days, and thank god it will be over.

[-TSS-]

Biden will not win but Trump will lose. That's what this election is all about anyway.

However, there will vertailu be a new president elected in 4 years time. Biden wont last 4 years and Kamala Harris doesnt have a chance.

[Boges]

1 minute ago, OftenWrong said:

But no matter how many come out to vote, you can only win an EC one at a time. We shall see in the next several days, and thank god it will be over.

So, for example states like Texas and Pennsylvania are seeing huge voter turnout. 

Not sure if you've analyzed the EC map, but it's pretty simple. 

The three states Trump took by a narrow margin are key. If Biden take them all back he wins. But, to that, Biden is competitive in Georgia, Florida, Arizona and North Carolina. If Biden takes Michigan and Wisconsin, Trump needs to sweep all the rest of the competitive red states to win. 

[-TSS-]

16 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

Biden will not win but Trump will lose. That's what this election is all about anyway.

However, there will vertailu be a new president elected in 4 years time. Biden wont last 4 years and Kamala Harris doesnt have a chance.

Vertailu=certainly  bloody stupid phones

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, -TSS- said:

 bloody stupid phones

Vertailu, I agree that phones are stupid.  

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

 If Biden takes Michigan and Wisconsin, Trump needs to sweep all the rest of the competitive red states to win. 

I think this includes N. Carolina, Arizona, Florida, Ohio, Georgia, and of course Pennsylvania 

[Boges]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

I think this includes N. Carolina, Arizona, Florida, Ohio, Georgia, and of course Pennsylvania 

Texas and Iowa are in play too. 

Trump loses Texas or Florida he's pretty much done. 

[mowich]

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Final prediction:  

 

1) Biden will win decisively but not necessarily by a landslide. Dems will also make major gains in House, Senate and State elections, tipping balance of power

 

2) Trumptards will resort to wild conspiracy theories,bogus claims of massive election fraud and causing trouble at he polling stations 

 

3) Trumptard violence, conspiracy theories, and right wing terrorism like the plot against the governor in Michigan will be the new normal at least through Bides first term 

 

4) In terms of what really matters in people’s lives such as healthcare,  education, water quality and pollution, job protections, worker amd consumer rights and general living standards, nothing will change or will continue to worsen because America’s problems can’t be fixed by anyone. 

I'm with you on number 4 that nothing will change in the US no matter who wins the election.  As for the other 3 points, it was democratic cities whose mayors stood by if not encouraged the rioting and looting by the always eagerly offended.  I expect more of the same tonight.  The MSM will have a hard time keeping up with election result reporting and coverage of all the cities that will once again devolve into chaos.

[Argus]

5 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

It actually reinforces the notion, as many with senility are often the types who are known to make verbal slip ups and have moments of dumb-ness in their discourse. They are more prone to getting dementia as age-related cognitive decline sets in. You know what I mean?

If he has senility and yet can out-argue Trump what does that say about Trump?

Btw, what he has is a stutter, which he's had all his life, and which gets worse as you age.

[Guest]

11 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

I think this election eve tweet by Dan Bongino is my favorite of the day:

Hope he wins just so I can see that. 

Basically, what Dan is saying is, If Donald Trump wins again despite Donald Trump, it will be yadda yadda etc. 

He used a lot of words just to say that.

[Argus]

So here is the worst case scenario for violence. Both sides are very, very close. The decision rests on Pennsylvania. Trump is ahead in Pennsylvania late in the evening, maybe even early in the morning, and then declares victory. Then his lawyers again demand an end to counting ballots, especially those received after today.

Over two and a half million mail-in ballots have already been received as of yesterday. About three quarters are coming from registered Democrats.

The Republicans have challenged the decision to count these for up to three days after election day, fighting the decision up through to the US supreme court. But the supreme court only had eight members then. They deadlocked 4-4, which allowed the federal appeals court (and federal court, and Pennsylvania district court, and Pennsylvania Supreme Court) decisions okaying the voting to prevail. The Republicans will be back in court tomorrow morning to try again. If they can get it up to the US supreme court now, with its newest, most controversial member who was just pushed through a week ago, and the court now decides those votes don't count - and that gives Pennsylvania and the election to Trump... there will be riots in the streets across America that will make the stuff ANTIFA and BLM have done look like childs play. It wouldn't surprise me if the national guard had to be called out to protect the US supreme court building itself from being burned down.

[Boges]

If Trump can stay in office because he can get SCOTUS to not allow counting of votes that have already been received in Pennsylvania, I'd consider the US a failed state. Their democratic institutions would have failed catastrophically. 

There is no objective metric that notes Trump has expanded his voter base in the last 4 years. He's never had an approval rating of more than 50%. 

His road to victory in 2016 hinged on suppressed Democratic turnout in the states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. People didn't like Hillary enough to get off their asses to vote. 

There is no indication that's the public's appetite this year. Early voting this year amounts to 70% of the 2016 total. Voter turnout could be historic today. 

How could that result in the election of an objectively unpopular POTUS? 

Edited November 3, 2020 by Boges

[bush_cheney2004]

8 minutes ago, Argus said:

The Republicans have challenged the decision to count these for up to three days after election day, fighting the decision up through to the US supreme court. But the supreme court only had eight members then. 

...It wouldn't surprise me if the national guard had to be called out to protect the US supreme court building itself from being burned down.

 

States already have their guard units on standby for post election violence...businesses have boarded up in advance.    It will be far worse if Trump wins....because of the usual leftist suspects.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

If Trump can stay in office because he can get SCOTUS to not allow counting of votes that have already been received in Pennsylvania, I'd consider the US a failed state.

 

Why ?    The Supreme Court impacted the 2000 election as well....so what.   Trump is just another U.S. president and no special considerations should be made either way.

Waiting days or weeks for more ballots to come in after the election just to beat Trump is ridiculous....and it would be in Canada too.

[bush_cheney2004]

Just voted in person as usual at my designated precinct polling location, which just happens to be the home of our local National Guard unit (community center).

It was the quietest and fastest I have ever voted....very few voters...no lines...just voting judges and helpers.   Took about 4 minutes from entering the building to scanning the ballot into the voting machine.

No drama....no protests...best ever.