President Oprah Winfrey in January 2021?

[SpankyMcFarland]

2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

My main point with those specific examples is that neither wealth or lack of experience preclude serving as president.

Washington had lots of experience representing Virginia citizens/landowners/voters, and he was very, very, wealthy.

The U.S. Constitution enumerates qualifications for president, which Trump easily met.

Celebrity is part of modern society and its media.

Washington was an English colonial and then war hero born hundreds of years ago. He's a special case. The sort of modern celebrity we are talking about only became possible in the 20'th century and has really taken off with TV and then social media. 

The way things are going a lack of wealth may preclude being president in the future. 

 

 

 

Edited January 15, 2018 by SpankyMcFarland

[taxme]

On 1/13/2018 at 11:45 AM, SpankyMcFarland said:

I doubt Winfrey would go through such an ordeal. Unlike Trump, she hasn’t had to endure relentless criticism in her business dealings and would find the change highly unpleasant. 

The emergence of celebrity and mega-rich candidates is a disturbing trend in US democracy. Policy is being superseded by personality which means voters will have even less say on what happens. 

Opera then would have to explain her reason for saying all old white men should die. That is not a very nice thing to say. Of course we know that he liberal fake and phony media will never mention that little tid bit. 

[taxme]

On 1/13/2018 at 8:29 AM, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Other Trump successes:

• Started re-negotiation of NAFTA
• Removed U.S. from TPP trade deal
• $300 billion more in China trade
• Slapped tariffs on Canadian dumping
• Appointed many federal appellate judges
• Approved KXL bitumen pipeline from Canada
• Removed Obamacare individual responsibility tax penalty
• Escalated military actions against ISIL with victory in Iraq
• Rescinded Obama EO's that hurt industry (e.g. coal)
• Boosted the arrest and deportation of illegal immigrants
• Funded resources for opioid crisis
• Reinstated Mexico City policy
• Motivated NATO deadbeats to increase defence spending
• Recognized Jerusalem as capital of Israel per U.S. federal law.
• Lowest unemployment rate since 2000
• Business climate is outstanding...Dow passed 25,000
• Donated his presidential salary !

 

The list will probably shock Argus to hell when he sees all of those successes by Trump. 

[bush_cheney2004]

3 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Washington was an English colonial and then war hero born hundreds of years ago. He's a special case. The sort of modern celebrity we are talking about only became possible in the 20'th century and has really taken off with TV and then social media. 

The way things are going a lack of wealth may preclude being president in the future.

 

Yes, Washington is a special case but not special for his time, which is why I specifically brought him up.

You see, Virginia representative, general, and highly revered President George Washington was also a....slave owner....a product of his time.

Accordingly, so is President Donald J. Trump.

 

[Topaz]

I don't think she will because she had seen how the press can be, IF they don't like u and she would have to distance herself from the Clinton's and now  who r the STARS of the Democrats Party....is there any with Clinton's  out? I think its going to be tough for both parties to have their STARS because the Bush and Clinton  family have ruin public opinion on politics.

 

[?Impact]

9 hours ago, taxme said:

Opera then would have to explain her reason for saying all old white men should die. That is not a very nice thing to say. Of course we know that he liberal fake and phony media will never mention that little tid bit. 

Perhaps those who are misquoting her need to explain why they need to lie. I suggest you get the original BBC interview and watch it in its entirety before following the lead of others.

Edited January 15, 2018 by ?Impact

[Boges]

9 hours ago, taxme said:

Opera then would have to explain her reason for saying all old white men should die. That is not a very nice thing to say. Of course we know that he liberal fake and phony media will never mention that little tid bit. 

Got a cite? 

[?Impact]

7 minutes ago, Boges said:

Got a cite? 

Here is the original BBC interview, not some out of context excerpt. I don't agree with her remarks, but to construe them as others have is sickening. She was suggesting that racism is so entrenched that the people born and bred in that environment are unable to change their ways.

Edited January 15, 2018 by ?Impact

[SpankyMcFarland]

1 hour ago, ?Impact said:

Here is the original BBC interview, not some out of context excerpt. I don't agree with her remarks, but to construe them as others have is sickening. She was suggesting that racism is so entrenched that the people born and bred in that environment are unable to change their ways.

Sir William Osler said something very similar about older doctors with erroneous views of medicine, the point being that many people don't change their minds when they should.

 

 

[Argus]

14 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

My main point with those specific examples is that neither wealth or lack of experience preclude serving as president.

How about lack of intelligence?

[RB]

Her brand is too important and big to make such an announcement to run today.

However I think she might make a go, another something to add to her repertoire

[taxme]

3 hours ago, Boges said:

Got a cite? 

There are many cites that I visit. I will try and find it for you from the one I read it on. 

[GostHacked]

Oprah ?  HAHAHAH... no. 

[DogOnPorch]

3 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

Oprah ?  HAHAHAH... no. 

 

She's still the instant front runner. But, as other noted, Oprah is used to being beloved by more or less all...not despised by half the nation and beyond.

[taxme]

14 hours ago, Boges said:

Got a cite? 

I could not find as to where she said old white men racists need to die. But there was a video on You tube that mentioned Oprah saying old white racists need to die.

But never the less we should all know as to who she was really referring to as the racists and the ones who Oprah said she would like to see all die during her interview on BBC. I am pretty sure that she would never say that about black racists and that they all should die. She is a closet racist like so many of those black entertainers are. It would appear to me that white people are not their favorite people just by how some bring up the topic of racism. As far as I am concerned they just like to make it appear as though they like white people. My opinion. 

[taxme]

9 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

She's still the instant front runner. But, as other noted, Oprah is used to being beloved by more or less all...not despised by half the nation and beyond.

The democrats are so desperate to try and find someone who can lead their sicko corrupt party in the next election to try and win that they think by getting someone like Oprah to run for president that will do the trick for them. Trump will make mince meat out of her. There may be even some skeletons in her closet that may be brought out that she may have said years ago that she might not want revealed. Hey, you never know. Politics is a dirty game and really is full of cut throats. 

[?Impact]

8 hours ago, taxme said:

Politics is a dirty game

Hence Trump's success

[-TSS-]

I guess the main-reaction to this news has been that if Americans have actually elected Trump there is no way of saying that they would never elect another celebrity. Speaks volumes about the American career-politicians.

[taxme]

4 hours ago, ?Impact said:

Hence Trump's success

Better Trump than corrupt Hillary being successful in becoming the dictator of America. America was finished if that twit became president. 

[August1991]

On 1/15/2018 at 7:56 AM, Topaz said:

I don't think she will because she had seen how the press can be, IF they don't like u and she would have to distance herself from the Clinton's and now  who r the STARS of the Democrats Party....is there any with Clinton's  out? I think its going to be tough for both parties to have their STARS because the Bush and Clinton  family have ruin public opinion on politics.

 

The US media loved Obama, and still do. Canada's English language media love Trudeau (French media, different....)

But Topaz, you raise a good point.

=====

Is there a media (MSM) anymore?  We live in a world where two firms: Google and Facebook alone receive about 80% of all worldwide ad-generated Internet revenues - and La Presse no longer exists on paper.

Moreover, unlike Le Devoir, Google and Facebook see China as a golden land. 

Edited January 17, 2018 by August1991

[Michael Hardner]

3 hours ago, August1991 said:

The US media loved Obama, and still do. Canada's English language media love Trudeau (French media, different....)

But Topaz, you raise a good point.

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Is there a media (MSM) anymore?  We live in a world where two firms: Google and Facebook alone receive about 80% of all worldwide ad-generated Internet revenues - and La Presse no longer exists on paper.

Moreover, unlike Le Devoir, Google and Facebook see China as a golden land. 

I think you're starting to get it.  We are back in the pre television age.  

[Hal 9000]

By Oprah, you mean;

Spokesperson for weight watchers, but can't lose weight

Preaches parents about children, but has no kids

Preaches to couples about marriage, but has never married

Supports the gay community, but won't come out of closet

Preaches equaity, but is herself a racist

Takes credit for giving away stuff that she never owned or paid for.

Yeah, that Oprah!  Good luck, Trump will have a hey day with her!

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

By Oprah, you mean;

Spokesperson for weight watchers, but can't lose weight

Preaches parents about children, but has no kids

Preaches to couples about marriage, but has never married

Supports the gay community, but won't come out of closet

Preaches equaity, but is herself a racist

Takes credit for giving away stuff that she never owned or paid for.

Yeah, that Oprah!  Good luck, Trump will have a hey day with her!

Yeah that's her.  She'd still kick Trump's arse...

[Hal 9000]

2 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Yeah that's her.  She'd still kick Trump's arse...

Well, I used to think so too.  However, at the height of the "Oprah for Pres" mania she is really only 10 points ahead nationally (and 60% don't think she should bother), which is where Hillary was at one point.  Trump has maintained his following and that will never change, add in the hidden vote and Trump is closer than polls indicate.  So, the only thing that can logically happen, is Trump closes the gap.  Celebs and women love her - I get that, but more people than expected have come out and said "Yes, we love Oprah, but we wouldn't want her as president" - as they should.  She may secure the democrat strongholds like California and New York...Chicago.  With the tax situation and job creation going the way it is, working people and women may love Oprah, but they love jobs, money, food, investments and a roof over their head even more.  

As I said, Oprah has never been in a situation that she didn't control and I think her brand is actually more important to her than anything else.  She wont run, but I'd love to see it! 

[Guest]

22 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

Well, I used to think so too.  However, at the height of the "Oprah for Pres" mania she is really only 10 points ahead nationally (and 60% don't think she should bother), which is where Hillary was at one point.  Trump has maintained his following and that will never change, add in the hidden vote and Trump is closer than polls indicate.  So, the only thing that can logically happen, is Trump closes the gap.  Celebs and women love her - I get that, but more people than expected have come out and said "Yes, we love Oprah, but we wouldn't want her as president" - as they should.  She may secure the democrat strongholds like California and New York...Chicago.  With the tax situation and job creation going the way it is, working people and women may love Oprah, but they love jobs, money, food, investments and a roof over their head even more.  

As I said, Oprah has never been in a situation that she didn't control and I think her brand is actually more important to her than anything else.  She wont run, but I'd love to see it! 

So would I.  It would be enormous fun to watch, regardless of who won.