Hudson Jones Posted June 29, 2017 Report Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) The boogyman is always the excuse to go in there and blow shit up. Communists? Terrorists? There is always an excuse. It's too bad there are so many who fall for the excuses and continuously try to cover the atrocities that are committed by West's foreign policy, which is highly influenced by the military industrial complex, oil companies and foreign governments like Israel and more recently, Saudi Arabia. I think we should leave these people alone. Give them some time and let them figure shit out. When we prop up dictators and blow shit up, creating chaos, we obstruct development of economy, science, human rights and culture in general. We have been pushing development and cultures back by generations with our actions in the Middle East in the past century. These countries never get a chance to flourish and we, the West are complicit in that. Edited June 29, 2017 by Hudson Jones 2 Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
OftenWrong Posted July 1, 2017 Report Posted July 1, 2017 On 2017-06-29 at 3:47 AM, Hudson Jones said: I think we should leave these people alone. Give them some time and let them figure shit out. When we prop up dictators and blow shit up, creating chaos, we obstruct development of economy, science, human rights and culture in general. We have been pushing development and cultures back by generations with our actions in the Middle East in the past century. These countries never get a chance to flourish and we, the West are complicit in that. The problem with views like your is, you idealize "these people" as though they have no faults and are victims of the west. It`s delusional thinking. For example, real history shows that Iran had the chance to participate with the West in developing their oil resources, and they would have gotten wealthy in doing so. That was the deal set up by the British who built the oil refinery equipment, and is typical for other oil producing countries. But Iran got too greedy and this lead to their ultimate downfall. Secondly, if we leave them alone to "figure shit out", the next thing that happens is another superpower (Russia, China) will step in and take things over, without hesitation. At least the west deals with our allies in the ME fairly, and wants to see the same principles applied to their society as in ours. Such as human rights, legal system, economic growth. To suggest leaving them alone is naive. Quote
kactus Posted July 1, 2017 Report Posted July 1, 2017 On 29/06/2017 at 8:47 AM, Hudson Jones said: The boogyman is always the excuse to go in there and blow shit up. Communists? Terrorists? There is always an excuse. It's too bad there are so many who fall for the excuses and continuously try to cover the atrocities that are committed by West's foreign policy, which is highly influenced by the military industrial complex, oil companies and foreign governments like Israel and more recently, Saudi Arabia. I think we should leave these people alone. Give them some time and let them figure shit out. When we prop up dictators and blow shit up, creating chaos, we obstruct development of economy, science, human rights and culture in general. We have been pushing development and cultures back by generations with our actions in the Middle East in the past century. These countries never get a chance to flourish and we, the West are complicit in that. The priblem is some people with simplistic and quite idiotic views think that all Middle Eastern countries are incapable developing themselves....Take Iran for example. The West literally screwed their chances for democracy in 1953. That country is still not bending backwards like the Saudis to be robbed off their oil and natural resources and the West doesn't like it one bit... WE in the West preach about morality, democracy and human rights violation in those ME countries and still governments like the US are the biggest hypocrites by signing a $110bn weapons deal with nations like Saudi Arabia (founder of ISIS, Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, 9/11 attackers and where people cannot even drive....) All those jazzy words we preach on is just for the public consumption of the bunch of sheeps in the West readily get brainwashed by news outlets like Fox news! They sugar coat the real crimes done in the name of democracy and morality for the sake of few extra dollars.... Quote
OftenWrong Posted July 1, 2017 Report Posted July 1, 2017 1 hour ago, kactus said: The priblem is some people with simplistic and quite idiotic views think that all Middle Eastern countries are incapable developing themselves....Take Iran for example. The West literally screwed their chances for democracy in 1953. That country is still not bending backwards like the Saudis to be robbed off their oil and natural resources and the West doesn't like it one bit... WE in the West preach about morality, democracy and human rights violation in those ME countries and still governments like the US are the biggest hypocrites by signing a $110bn weapons deal with nations like Saudi Arabia (founder of ISIS, Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, 9/11 attackers and where people cannot even drive....) All those jazzy words we preach on is just for the public consumption of the bunch of sheeps in the West readily get brainwashed by news outlets like Fox news! They sugar coat the real crimes done in the name of democracy and morality for the sake of few extra dollars.... Sheer nonsense. Poor little Iran is busy executing their own people for crimes that are laughable in the west. Just say the wrong thing to the wrong person and you will go to prison for life. Women must make sure they are covered. Caught committing "adultery"? Executed. Homos, immediately executed. These are the people you're defending while at the same time condemning the west, who protect you from these savages. 1 Quote
eyeball Posted July 1, 2017 Report Posted July 1, 2017 1 hour ago, OftenWrong said: Sheer nonsense. Poor little Iran is busy executing their own people for crimes that are laughable in the west. Just say the wrong thing to the wrong person and you will go to prison for life. Women must make sure they are covered. Caught committing "adultery"? Executed. Homos, immediately executed. These are the people you're defending while at the same time condemning the west, who protect you from these savages. I guess this is why the west still needs another smack upside the head. 9/11 obviously didn't sink in. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
OftenWrong Posted July 1, 2017 Report Posted July 1, 2017 1 minute ago, eyeball said: I guess this is why the west still needs another smack upside the head. 9/11 obviously didn't sink in. You mean, it's the shovel for me again??? Quote
eyeball Posted July 1, 2017 Report Posted July 1, 2017 No, that would be a waste of a good shovel in your case. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
kactus Posted July 1, 2017 Report Posted July 1, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, eyeball said: I guess this is why the west still needs another smack upside the head. 9/11 obviously didn't sink in. They just don't get it through their thick skulls that such failed policies by the West hasn't worked in the past yet keep repeating the same mistake over and over again. Well guess what it is insane keep repeating the same mistake over and over and exoect a different result... I suppose I should repeat the same regurgitated crap hoping that the rest of the bunch of sheeps here will Endirse tge idea that the reason US is selling arms to countries like Saudi Arabia is because they have such a wonderful democracy that we keep preaching about and a wonderful himan rights record. Nothing to do with getting cheap oil or money. No no! Edited July 1, 2017 by kactus Additional comments.... Quote
eyeball Posted July 1, 2017 Report Posted July 1, 2017 24 minutes ago, kactus said: They just don't get it through their thick skulls that such failed policies by the West hasn't worked in the past yet keep repeating the same mistake over and over again. Well guess what it is insane keep repeating the same mistake over and over and exoect a different result... The really hard-boiled idiots do think these policies work though and they're actually quite proud of them and count them as blessings that have resulted in our success. Most politicians however seem to understand that crowing about it is a little to gauche. Explaining retaliation away as an ideology of hate or religion plays much better. The result being that the world is poised between such a stupid and retarded place. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 1, 2017 Report Posted July 1, 2017 33 minutes ago, kactus said: ....I suppose I should repeat the same regurgitated crap hoping that the rest of the bunch of sheeps here will Endirse tge idea that the reason US is selling arms to countries like Saudi Arabia is because they have such a wonderful democracy that we keep preaching about and a wonderful himan rights record. Nothing to do with getting cheap oil or money. No no! Who cares about democracy in Saudi Arabia ? You may not approve, but oil matters far more than democracy for the Saudis, Iranians, Iraqis, or Kuwaitis. And it's not just the U.S. or the West that holds oil in such high regard. Canada's $15 billion arms sales to SA is this reality, not any alt-left universe or ideology. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
kactus Posted July 1, 2017 Report Posted July 1, 2017 3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Who cares about democracy in Saudi Arabia ? You may not approve, but oil matters far more than democracy for the US economy Thank you..... Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 1, 2017 Report Posted July 1, 2017 Canadian oil imports from Saudi Arabia have been increasing... Quote Saudia Arabia, the oil-rich kingdom that is waging a brutal price war to shore up its market share and devastating Canada’s oil and gas sector in the process, dumped an average of 84,017 barrels a day of its cheap oil in New Brunswick’s Irving Oil Ltd. refinery in 2015, according to data compiled by the National Energy Board (NEB). That’s up from 63,046 b/d on average in 2012. http://business.financialpost.com/commodities/energy/as-politicians-gloat-about-climate-leadership-saudi-arabias-oil-is-dumped-in-canada/wcm/bb3c22de-af75-41ab-acde-9ee20a1a0930 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
-TSS- Posted July 2, 2017 Report Posted July 2, 2017 5 hours ago, kactus said: Thank you..... Sad as that statement was it was the cold truth. 1 Quote
kactus Posted July 2, 2017 Report Posted July 2, 2017 1 hour ago, -TSS- said: Sad as that statement was it was the cold truth. Yes....atleast with some we are getting to the truth. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 2, 2017 Report Posted July 2, 2017 4 hours ago, kactus said: Yes....atleast with some we are getting to the truth about the Canadian economy. Returning the "favour"..... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
SpankyMcFarland Posted July 8, 2017 Report Posted July 8, 2017 The blockade is about one nation controlling another. The terrorism accusation is silly coming from KSA. Quote
GostHacked Posted July 8, 2017 Author Report Posted July 8, 2017 2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: The blockade is about one nation controlling another. The terrorism accusation is silly coming from KSA. It seems the Saudis don't like what Qatar is saying about them via Al-Jazeera as the Saudis want that shut down before relations can be re-established. Quote
eyeball Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) On 6/23/2017 at 8:56 PM, OftenWrong said: It's not the kind of thing I like to get behind. Shouldn't you be getting in it's face? This seems like something you should be getting incensed about given how much you're down on the suppression of free speech. I say again , whose side are we on anyway? More to the point, aren't we on the side of free speech at all times no matter what or is this another one of those cases where we'll be forced to sacrifice principle for...whatever? Just how many principles can we sacrifice before they fail us altogether? Edited July 9, 2017 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
OftenWrong Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 21 hours ago, eyeball said: Shouldn't you be getting in it's face? This seems like something you should be getting incensed about given how much you're down on the suppression of free speech. I say again , whose side are we on anyway? More to the point, aren't we on the side of free speech at all times no matter what or is this another one of those cases where we'll be forced to sacrifice principle for...whatever? Just how many principles can we sacrifice before they fail us altogether? While free speech is nice and all, there are always times when someone's got to be told to shut up. There's limits to free speech in every country, because that is only sensible. There are many times when we have to protect the interests of the greater good through compromise, or as you would say "sacrifice our principles for whatever". But I'm generally more in favour of letting people speak freely, so that they out themselves. That way we can listen in on the poisonous claptrap they feed you leftists. Quote
eyeball Posted July 10, 2017 Report Posted July 10, 2017 4 hours ago, OftenWrong said: While free speech is nice and all, there are always times when someone's got to be told to shut up. There's limits to free speech in every country, because that is only sensible. But I'm generally more in favour of letting people speak freely, so that they out themselves. That way we can listen in on the poisonous claptrap they feed you leftists. What do you mean they feed...they who? I doubt the clap you feed on is any better for you. Quote There are many times when we have to protect the interests of the greater good through compromise, or as you would say "sacrifice our principles for whatever". I disagree. The evidence of what happens when we do - failed societies, countries and now whole regions - is an overwhelmingly condemning testament to its futility. All you have is some vague fear that things would be worse if we stayed true to our values. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Altai Posted August 4, 2017 Report Posted August 4, 2017 Qatar paid 500 million $ for a soccer player this week. What an embargo LoL So they give the message to US and its lapdog Arab countries. Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
Altai Posted August 4, 2017 Report Posted August 4, 2017 Qatar says "We had 15 Billion $ worth of trade volume with the countries who puts an embargo on us and now we want to do this trade with Turkiye." Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
Altai Posted October 17, 2017 Report Posted October 17, 2017 I learned that now the next plan is to assassinate some high ranked American guys in Qatar. Then these assassinations will be tied to a terror organization and Qatari govt. So US will claim that these terrorists were paid by Qatari govt to assassinate their guys. So this will be done to convince American people to interfere with Qatar as its done before interfere with Iraq and Afghanistan. Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
Goddess Posted October 17, 2017 Report Posted October 17, 2017 8 hours ago, Altai said: I learned that now the next plan is to assassinate some high ranked American guys in Qatar. Then these assassinations will be tied to a terror organization and Qatari govt. So US will claim that these terrorists were paid by Qatari govt to assassinate their guys. So this will be done to convince American people to interfere with Qatar as its done before interfere with Iraq and Afghanistan. Cite for the planned assassination, please. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
H10 Posted October 31, 2017 Report Posted October 31, 2017 Government and CIA should bomb the entire region, let God sort them out. Quote
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