kactus Posted June 20, 2017 Report Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, marcus said: Spell it out. Talk, instead of dancing. What's the answer? Is the answer that one of the Saudi/Egyptian hijackers traveled through Iran? Is this what you're going with or am I going beyond your bubble of knowledge and you're only able to discuss the headline on some questionable web site? Hehe. Must be the "voices" in his head telling him Iran was behind 9/11. What a farce.... If that is the quality of posters we are getting here that sure as hell must tell you something....Ooops the liberal minded like me spelled the truth. Edited June 21, 2017 by kactus Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 20, 2017 Report Posted June 20, 2017 14 minutes ago, kactus said: Hehe. Must be the "voices" in his head telling him Iran was behind 9/11. What a farce.... If that is the quality of posters we ate getting here that sure as hell must tell you something....Ooops the liberal minded like me spelled the truth. For one, Iran was behind the 1983-84 Beruit Bombings...hundreds dead. Not exactly the innocent lambs you'd like to portray when it comes to killing Americans via terrorism. But sure...9/11...a minor role. Give them a pass for all the other terror Iran is responsible for...t'is the nature of the scorpion. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
OftenWrong Posted June 20, 2017 Report Posted June 20, 2017 1 hour ago, marcus said: Spell it out. Talk, instead of dancing. What's the answer? Is the answer that one of the Saudi/Egyptian hijackers traveled through Iran? Is this what you're going with or am I going beyond your bubble of knowledge and you're only able to discuss the headline and nothing else? No need for me to talk or dance. Links were provided showing that the US security apparatus identified Iran as being involved in 9/11, for more than one single reason. They feel strongly enough about this to levy a hefty fine on Iran, though at this stage no money has been collected. It's fine for you to believe whatever you want regardless of facts, but do not blame or slander me just because I am aware of this and you are not. You and kactus are allowed to deny the truth. ... unless you have evidence to the contrary? Quote
marcus Posted June 20, 2017 Report Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, OftenWrong said: No need for me to talk or dance. Links were provided showing that the US security apparatus identified Iran as being involved in 9/11, for more than one single reason. They feel strongly enough about this to levy a hefty fine on Iran, though at this stage no money has been collected. It's fine for you to believe whatever you want regardless of facts, but do not blame or slander me just because I am aware of this and you are not. You and kactus are allowed to deny the truth. ... unless you have evidence to the contrary? Then Canada played a role as well, since one of the hijackers traveled through Canada. It's your choice to try to twist and turn and push an incredibly false narrative, that Iran was somehow behind 9/11, but this will only cement your lack of credibility. The reality is that Iran has been fighting Al Qaeda and ISIS for over two decades. They are enemies in every way possible. To suggest that Iran was somehow behind 9/11 is ludicrous. Not that I expect you to care, but I just don't have the time to go back and forth with someone who tries to make outrageous comments like this. This is one reason I have DogOnPorch on ignore. You will be next if you continue to do this. Update: You've chosen to ignore content by DogOnPorch. Options You've chosen to ignore content by OftenWrong. Options Edited June 20, 2017 by marcus 1 Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
DogOnPorch Posted June 20, 2017 Report Posted June 20, 2017 Just now, marcus said: Then Canada played a role as well, since one of the hijackers traveled through Canada. It's your choice to try to twist and turn and push an incredibly false narrative, that Iran was somehow behind 9/11, but this will only cement your lack of credibility. The reality is that Iran has been fighting Al Qaeda and ISIS for over two decades. They are enemies in every way possible. To suggest that Iran was somehow behind 9/11 is ludicrous. Not that I expect you to care, but I just don't have the time to go back and forth with someone who tries to make outrageous comments like this. This is one reason I have DogOnPorch on ignore. You will be next if you continue to do this. Marcus can pretend all he wishes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_United_States_embassy_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_United_States_embassy_annex_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khobar_Towers_bombing Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
OftenWrong Posted June 20, 2017 Report Posted June 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Marcus can pretend all he wishes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_United_States_embassy_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_United_States_embassy_annex_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khobar_Towers_bombing He can't answer right now, he's facing Mecca 1 Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted June 21, 2017 Report Posted June 21, 2017 Interesting development: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/world/middleeast/qatar-saudi-arabia-trump-tillerson.html The Qatar boycott did seem a tad abrupt and I think we have yet to see specific allegations from the Saudis, of all people, on the terrorism front. It's probably futile to speculate from here but I will anyway - the M Bros and Al Jazz are probably bigger irritants to Egypt and KSA respectively than the occasional terrorist Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
marcus Posted June 21, 2017 Report Posted June 21, 2017 1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Interesting development: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/world/middleeast/qatar-saudi-arabia-trump-tillerson.html The Qatar boycott did seem a tad abrupt and I think we have yet to see specific allegations from the Saudis, of all people, on the terrorism front. It's probably futile to speculate from here but I will anyway - the M Bros and Al Jazz are probably bigger irritants to Egypt and KSA respectively than the occasional terrorist That is most likely part of it. There is also the strange alliance between Saudi and Israel. Israel doesn't like that Qatar is still supporting Hamas. Saudi FM: Qatar must stop supporting Hamas, Brotherhood Saudi Arabia's Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir lays down several steps for restoration of ties with Arab allies. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/saudi-fm-qatar-stop-supporting-hamas-brotherhood-170607045918921.html 1 Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
SpankyMcFarland Posted June 21, 2017 Report Posted June 21, 2017 And in other KSA news, a son is named heir. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-crown-prince-mohammed-bin-salman.html Sounds like what happened in Jordan. You'd think this would be a natural thing for a father to do if he could swing it. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
marcus Posted June 21, 2017 Report Posted June 21, 2017 Shit just got real: Saudi Arabia Deports 15,000 Qatari Camels After the deportation order was handed down, thousands of camels were trapped at the border for days with little food or water. 1 Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Argus Posted June 21, 2017 Report Posted June 21, 2017 On 6/19/2017 at 5:51 PM, OftenWrong said: The only dot is on your forehead. As recently as March 2017 Iran has been ordered to pay $10.5 billion as compensation for involvement in Sept 11. Many links, https://www.google.ca/#q=iran+9/11+connection This decisions was arrived at largely because Iran didn't bother to even respond to legal notices or subpoenas. They didn't contest the claim, in other words. It's based on suggestions that Hezbollah had contact with and helped train Al Quaeda, and that since Iran funds Hezbollah, then it should pay for what Al Quaeda did. But even those who sued Iran never claimed Iran had any idea what Al Quaeda was doing. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted June 21, 2017 Report Posted June 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Argus said: This decisions was arrived at largely because Iran didn't bother to even respond to legal notices or subpoenas. They didn't contest the claim, in other words. It's based on suggestions that Hezbollah had contact with and helped train Al Quaeda, and that since Iran funds Hezbollah, then it should pay for what Al Quaeda did. But even those who sued Iran never claimed Iran had any idea what Al Quaeda was doing. According to this logic England should pay for encouraging the US to be it's lackey in Iran is 1953. Anyone else notice the price England is paying these days? 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
kactus Posted June 22, 2017 Report Posted June 22, 2017 3 hours ago, eyeball said: According to this logic England should pay for encouraging the US to be it's lackey in Iran is 1953. Anyone else notice the price England is paying these days? England is literally f*cked these days.... Quote
OftenWrong Posted June 22, 2017 Report Posted June 22, 2017 5 hours ago, Argus said: This decisions was arrived at largely because Iran didn't bother to even respond to legal notices or subpoenas. They didn't contest the claim, in other words. It's based on suggestions that Hezbollah had contact with and helped train Al Quaeda, and that since Iran funds Hezbollah, then it should pay for what Al Quaeda did. But even those who sued Iran never claimed Iran had any idea what Al Quaeda was doing. The evidence may be circumstantial, however the link goes deeper than just AlQuaeda and Hezbollah. Some examples: - Officials of the Iranian government helped arrange advanced weapons and explosives training for Al-Qaeda personnel in Lebanon where they learned, for example, how to destroy large buildings. - A Judge found that Iran used front companies to obtain a Boeing 757-767-777 flight simulator for training the terrorists. - Ramzi bin al-Shibh traveled to Iran in January 2001 - An Iranian government memorandum from May 14, 2001 demonstrates Iranian culpability in planning the attacks. This was called "Shaitan Dar Atash" or "Satan in Flames", and describes a plan to conduct unconventional warfare against the US ("Great Satan" as the Iranians call it) including crashing hijacked airplanes into, specifically, the WTC, Pentagon and White House. I make no claims to the validity of this information either way. It is what it is. I am just a guy typing on my computer in my living room. Quote
eyeball Posted June 22, 2017 Report Posted June 22, 2017 4 hours ago, OftenWrong said: I make no claims to the validity of this information either way. It is what it is. More precisely though this qualifier is what pretty much completely invalidates your opinions to anyone who's serious about getting to the facts of a matter. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
OftenWrong Posted June 22, 2017 Report Posted June 22, 2017 7 hours ago, eyeball said: More precisely though this qualifier is what pretty much completely invalidates your opinions to anyone who's serious about getting to the facts of a matter. Everyone has opinions. They only matter in some cases, like questions about interpreting law or in politics. For questions about history, actual events, opinions matter little. We all want the facts. We only have the information that's been provided, in this case by western intelligence agencies. You people amaze me. OftenWrong makes a statement and several leftists pile on, demanding proof. Links are given, information is given. People don't like the information, so they attacked the messenger instead. One guy got so upset over it he put me on ignore. I've seen leftists deny reality, ignore the information and hope it goes away. It won't of course. Finally reality is a plane crashing into your building, taking it down. 1 Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 22, 2017 Report Posted June 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Everyone has opinions. They only matter in some cases, like questions about interpreting law or in politics. For questions about history, actual events, opinions matter little. We all want the facts. We only have the information that's been provided, in this case by western intelligence agencies. You people amaze me. OftenWrong makes a statement and several leftists pile on, demanding proof. Links are given, information is given. People don't like the information, so they attacked the messenger instead. One guy got so upset over it he put me on ignore. I've seen leftists deny reality, ignore the information and hope it goes away. It won't of course. Finally reality is a plane crashing into your building, taking it down. These mealy mouthed supporters of Islam just want two things: Islam...duh...and for you to be silenced. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
SpankyMcFarland Posted June 22, 2017 Report Posted June 22, 2017 3 hours ago, OftenWrong said: OftenWrong makes a statement and several leftists pile on, demanding proof. Are you referring to yourself in the third person there? Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
OftenWrong Posted June 22, 2017 Report Posted June 22, 2017 1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Are you referring to yourself in the third person there? Yes I did, why Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted June 22, 2017 Report Posted June 22, 2017 1 hour ago, OftenWrong said: Yes I did, why No, I was a bit confused. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
OftenWrong Posted June 22, 2017 Report Posted June 22, 2017 4 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: No, I was a bit confused. OftenWrong forgives you. 1 Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted June 23, 2017 Report Posted June 23, 2017 1 hour ago, OftenWrong said: OftenWrong forgives you. Good. Absolutely nothing wrong with it. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
SpankyMcFarland Posted June 23, 2017 Report Posted June 23, 2017 Interesting list of demands here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/23/close-al-jazeera-saudi-arabia-issues-qatar-with-13-demands-to-end-blockade Can the US support the closing of Al Jazeera? Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
marcus Posted June 23, 2017 Report Posted June 23, 2017 6 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Interesting list of demands here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/23/close-al-jazeera-saudi-arabia-issues-qatar-with-13-demands-to-end-blockade Can the US support the closing of Al Jazeera? Trump is in power. Anything goes. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
DogOnPorch Posted June 23, 2017 Report Posted June 23, 2017 Who the Hell watches al-Jazeera other than terrorists and their supporters? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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