H10 Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 Facts: -Doctor was charged with over 69 felonies for running a pill mill in Kentucky -Had his medical license suspended for over a decade -Was offered over 5 times in compensation for what he paid for his ticket plus free hotel room for the night, he initially accepted the offer along with his wife. He then reneged on the offer after he found out that there was no same day flights and would have to wait to the next day. -He was then bumped from the flight and informed by the crew that he was bumped, would be given compensation and hotel room but that he had to leave. He refused to leave and after he was removed the first time, he ran back on the plane! -It is a felony trespass to remain on or re-enter an airplane when you have been told to leave. Not only did he delay that UA flight, but he delayed all other flights on that same commuter plane and all connecting flights and flights associated with the crew who had to bump passengers because there are federal laws that prevent pilots and crew from working more than a certain number of hours. After all, do you want the crew who is sleepy eyed and hadn't slept for 20 hours flying you through heavy air traffic and possible mechanical problems? He literally delayed tens of thousands of people, not to mention all the planes that couldn't taxi or unload cargo and passengers because they were stuck in the gate/tarmack creating a big traffic jam. -Officer didn't even tazer him, he is very lucky. I would have tazered him. And 3 other passengers took the compensation without incident. -Left Wing Cry Baby Media wants to portray the airline and policemen as big bad boogey men for just doing their j-o-b. Removing unruly passengers from a plane to ensure passenger safety. Can you imagine being a flight attendant dealing with a stubborn headed guy like that in an emergency 30,000 feet up in the air? Imagine being a flight attendant or captain where airline rules are you cannot leave a plane until all customers are evacuated in an emergency and you got a guy who won't leave the plane without an emergency? You think this guy yelling and screaming and acting crazy and incoherent (yes he was acting out before the cops came) on the ground is going to behave better because an emergency? Someone like that jeopardizes the entire plane and crew members because he didn't co-operate. -Just because you buy a ticket to travel on a plane doesn't mean you own the plane ok. You don't get to hold up the entire plane when you been offered 5 times what you paid for your tickets + free hotel. Look at how many people get kicked out of Uber for far less egregious behaviour or Taxis or buses or other forms of transit. -He's got a rap sheet that makes most bad boys and bikers look like choir boys, he had it coming to him. Felony trespass, resisting arresting, he was asked to get off the plane dozens of times politely and he refused. By the way being bumped from flights is not some obscurity, it is ROUTINE since the 1950s. And this isn't because the airlines are just big bad mean people, running an airline is tough business, they have thin margins, and are heavily regulated by the Federal government including employee work hours. If a pilot or crew calls in sick, you can't just make another pilot work more overtime like a normal job, you got to have another pilot flown in to replace him. -PS, it is on the back of every ticket and terms of conditions they can bump you and use force to remove you. -What do you think would happen to a patient in a doctor's office who was told to leave, refused to get out and was preventing the doctor from seeing other patients? He'd call the cops, the cops would arrest such person for trespass if they refused to leave. This punk got exactly what he deserved. United Airlines should be commended as the officers. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/united-airlines-ceo-apologizes-dragging-kentucky-doctor-flight-n745161 #Blue Lives Matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altai Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 All of these things does not matter. Even if he was Hitler, if he have a ticket in his hands, then he have right to flight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 All of these things do not matter. Latest trend: Airplane! = United Airlines training film... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVQcXR2HVhw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 The fact that the Doctor in question was a drama queen that made a scene is irrelevant. The idea of forcibly removing someone from a plane because you need to get employees to Louisville for free is bad PR and United is suffering for it. They should have decided who would get bumped before they boarded the plane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) Who cares what the criminal history of the passenger was? He had a ticket and did not cause as disruption like the airline claimed. I think I saw on TV that United Airlines shares dropped the other day by a billion dollars. Wow! Money and millions of people have spoken. Edited April 12, 2017 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSS- Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 I doubt it would have made the news if the guy hadn't shouted and screamed like a pig about to be taken to be slaughtered. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, hernanday said: Facts: -Doctor was charged with over 69 felonies for running a pill mill in Kentucky -Had his medical license suspended for over a decade -Was offered over 5 times in compensation for what he paid for his ticket plus free hotel room for the night, he initially accepted the offer along with his wife. He then reneged on the offer after he found out that there was no same day flights and would have to wait to the next day. -He was then bumped from the flight and informed by the crew that he was bumped, would be given compensation and hotel room but that he had to leave. He refused to leave and after he was removed the first time, he ran back on the plane! -It is a felony trespass to remain on or re-enter an airplane when you have been told to leave. Not only did he delay that UA flight, but he delayed all other flights on that same commuter plane and all connecting flights and flights associated with the crew who had to bump passengers because there are federal laws that prevent pilots and crew from working more than a certain number of hours. After all, do you want the crew who is sleepy eyed and hadn't slept for 20 hours flying you through heavy air traffic and possible mechanical problems? He literally delayed tens of thousands of people, not to mention all the planes that couldn't taxi or unload cargo and passengers because they were stuck in the gate/tarmack creating a big traffic jam. -Officer didn't even tazer him, he is very lucky. I would have tazered him. And 3 other passengers took the compensation without incident. -Left Wing Cry Baby Media wants to portray the airline and policemen as big bad boogey men for just doing their j-o-b. Removing unruly passengers from a plane to ensure passenger safety. Can you imagine being a flight attendant dealing with a stubborn headed guy like that in an emergency 30,000 feet up in the air? Imagine being a flight attendant or captain where airline rules are you cannot leave a plane until all customers are evacuated in an emergency and you got a guy who won't leave the plane without an emergency? You think this guy yelling and screaming and acting crazy and incoherent (yes he was acting out before the cops came) on the ground is going to behave better because an emergency? Someone like that jeopardizes the entire plane and crew members because he didn't co-operate. -Just because you buy a ticket to travel on a plane doesn't mean you own the plane ok. You don't get to hold up the entire plane when you been offered 5 times what you paid for your tickets + free hotel. Look at how many people get kicked out of Uber for far less egregious behaviour or Taxis or buses or other forms of transit. -He's got a rap sheet that makes most bad boys and bikers look like choir boys, he had it coming to him. Felony trespass, resisting arresting, he was asked to get off the plane dozens of times politely and he refused. By the way being bumped from flights is not some obscurity, it is ROUTINE since the 1950s. And this isn't because the airlines are just big bad mean people, running an airline is tough business, they have thin margins, and are heavily regulated by the Federal government including employee work hours. If a pilot or crew calls in sick, you can't just make another pilot work more overtime like a normal job, you got to have another pilot flown in to replace him. -PS, it is on the back of every ticket and terms of conditions they can bump you and use force to remove you. -What do you think would happen to a patient in a doctor's office who was told to leave, refused to get out and was preventing the doctor from seeing other patients? He'd call the cops, the cops would arrest such person for trespass if they refused to leave. This punk got exactly what he deserved. United Airlines should be commended as the officers. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/united-airlines-ceo-apologizes-dragging-kentucky-doctor-flight-n745161 #Blue Lives Matter. FACT: His past is irrelevant. We can't, and we shouldn't justify brutality as such. The comparison with a doctor's patient isn't relevant either. This man had paid for his travel. He has every right to be there. It's United Airlines that has a faulty policy. Even its CEO had finally admitted to that. Edited April 12, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H10 Posted April 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 6 hours ago, Altai said: All of these things does not matter. Even if he was Hitler, if he have a ticket in his hands, then he have right to flight. Based on what? The terms and contracts and the ticket all say the airlines reserve the right to bump passengers. If he had read his agreement and contract, he would see his only right was to compensation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 Doesn't matter. All the airline had to say was we will give two grand and a hotel room to anyone who will give up their seat. There were over a hundred people on that airplane and at least ten hands would have gone up. Now, it is going to cost them tens, if not hundreds of millions in lawsuits and lost business. This was a PR f*** up on a gigantic scale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H10 Posted April 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 6 hours ago, Boges said: The fact that the Doctor in question was a drama queen that made a scene is irrelevant. The idea of forcibly removing someone from a plane because you need to get employees to Louisville for free is bad PR and United is suffering for it. They should have decided who would get bumped before they boarded the plane. That would make sense if United knew before, they didn't, crew call in sick last minute, people need to get reshuffled around from cities to prevent tens of thousands of delays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H10 Posted April 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 3 hours ago, blackbird said: Who cares what the criminal history of the passenger was? He had a ticket and did not cause as disruption like the airline claimed. I think I saw on TV that United Airlines shares dropped the other day by a billion dollars. Wow! Money and millions of people have spoken. It matters because it speaks to his behaviour and the felony he committed by refusing to leave a plane, which is a felony. He did cause a disruption, not leaving is a disruption. Running back on a plane after you were thrown off, that is a disruption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H10 Posted April 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 1 hour ago, betsy said: FACT: His past is irrelevant. We can't, and we shouldn't justify brutality as such. The comparison with a doctor's patient isn't relevant either. This man had paid for his travel. He has every right to be there. It's United Airlines that has a faulty policy. Even its CEO had finally admitted to that. His past is relevant because he committed a felony trespass! There was no brutality, he was removed from a plane where he volunteered to leave, reneged, then was bumped, as is constitent with the TOS of the ticket, buying a ticket doesn't mean you own the plane. So patients don't pay to see their doctor now? No, he doesn't have every right to be there, because the contract says they can bump at will, for any reason the airline sees fit! He was told to leave multiple times and refused, and even ran back on the plane after being thrown off. The CEO is bowing to left wing liberal agenda, he needs to grow a pear, he spoke the truth the first time around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, hernanday said: That would make sense if United knew before, they didn't, crew call in sick last minute, people need to get reshuffled around from cities to prevent tens of thousands of delays I appreciate the airline had to get a crew to Nashville. I don't know why in this case but shit happens in the airline biz. Weather, other flight delays, you name it. You wouldn't believe how crews are often scheduled on domestic flights. Been there, done that and the passengers sitting there in Nashville waiting for that crew would not have been impressed if it didn't show up. This was not a case of overbooking and the airline was in a bind, but the way those on site chose to get out of that bind was moronic. Just because you have a power doesn't mean you should use it. It's probably a good thing this happened in such a blatant way because I really think there has been a lesson learned here by all airlines and we won't see this kind of thing again regardless of what government does. Edited April 13, 2017 by Wilber Added content 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 1 hour ago, hernanday said: Based on what? The terms and contracts and the ticket all say the airlines reserve the right to bump passengers. If he had read his agreement and contract, he would see his only right was to compensation. Regardless of his history (which they did not know and is irrelevant), he did not create a disturbance. He simply refused to go. The airline was wrong to remove him by force. Now the airline is paying. In this country, we don't believe in treating the paying public like that. People have to be treated with respect and dignity. Millions of people have seen it and are strongly opposed to the way he was dragged off the plane and injured. This is a form of physical assault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altai Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 8 hours ago, hernanday said: Based on what? The terms and contracts and the ticket all say the airlines reserve the right to bump passengers. If he had read his agreement and contract, he would see his only right was to compensation. Then they can do it if there is such an option in the contracts because these passangers accept all these rules while they are buying ticket. Still there is a lack of justice. How they choose the bumped passenger ? They should ask to whole passengers first, to see whether or not there are someones voluntarily will accept the offer. If there is noone accepts the offer, then they have to make a draw to choose a random passanger. Passangers with babies, passangers with healt problems, passangers quite elder should not be included into the draw. So as you see, this is not such an easy problem to solve when it comes to choose someones you wish and kick them out of the plane. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, hernanday said: His past is relevant because he committed a felony trespass! There was no brutality, he was removed from a plane where he volunteered to leave, reneged, then was bumped, as is constitent with the TOS of the ticket, buying a ticket doesn't mean you own the plane. So patients don't pay to see their doctor now? No, he doesn't have every right to be there, because the contract says they can bump at will, for any reason the airline sees fit! He was told to leave multiple times and refused, and even ran back on the plane after being thrown off. The CEO is bowing to left wing liberal agenda, he needs to grow a pear, he spoke the truth the first time around. Whether he's a felon or not, is irrelevant. If he's already served his punishment for his crimes, his past is irrelevant. They didn't have to be brutal about grabbing him from the seat! You could see it from the video. The airlines didn't try hard enough to contain the situation. When the doctor said he had to be home because he's seeing patients, the officials should have offered to ask if anyone wants to volunteer in his stead. Other options should've been exhausted. The doctor's got a bloodied mouth - and at his age 69 - that's abuse of an elderly! I'll be scared too and run back to where people are! He's saying, "they'll kill me, they'll kill me...." He got scared! Edited April 13, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, hernanday said: There was no brutality, he was removed from a plane where he volunteered to leave, reneged, then was bumped, as is constitent with the TOS of the ticket, buying a ticket doesn't mean you own the plane. He thought there was another flight out that same day. He was willing to delay his flight....but when there was no flight out, he came back because he has to see patients the next day. Are you saying patients have to be affected by the airline's incompetence in handling the situation? If your child is awaiting surgery - and your surgeon happens to be that man - you okay with that? Quote So patients don't pay to see their doctor now? No, he doesn't have every right to be there, because the contract says they can bump at will, for any reason the airline sees fit! He was told to leave multiple times and refused, and even ran back on the plane after being thrown off. The CEO is bowing to left wing liberal agenda, he needs to grow a pear, he spoke the truth the first time around. The CEO didn't bow down to the left wing. He bowed down to the stocks dropping! But he did admit that the airlines failed to provide more training and procedural instructions to their employees. That's quite obvious. We don't - and we never - try to justify UNNECESSARY police brutality on civilians. Edited April 13, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 Just offer more money to get off. I would have a price and it would be mice nuts compared to what this is costing United. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 I honestly don't understand all this weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth over the moron who got dragged off a United Airlines flight a few days ago. Someone please explain to me why all those people are aghast and the media is in full outrage mode. I mean, I get that it's annoying to be bumped from your flight sure. But how is it this man-boy refuses to get off, thus violating federal law, ignores police ordering him to leave, clings frantically to his armrest thus forcing them to yank him out of his seat, refuses to walk, requiring them to drag him out, and people sympathize with him?! Does nobody feel that they should act like an adult any more? Is dignity a thing of the past? If I sit in the middle of a road and the police have to drag my ass away do I get to sue the city for millions of dollars and have millions of people clasping their hands in desperate anguish that I was 'brutalized'? Have we, as a society, deteriorated to the point where no one understands they are responsible for how they act in public? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/united-passenger-launches-legal-action-over-forceful-removal/article34695105/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 16 hours ago, -TSS- said: I doubt it would have made the news if the guy hadn't shouted and screamed like a pig about to be taken to be slaughtered. This much is true. This incident is primarily news because there's video that shocked people. The other 3 passengers who got off the plane without getting their asses stomped didn't make the news. However, this incident has brought attention to the astoundingly bad way airlines treat people. Yesterday I read a story from the LA Times where another man-- I believe he was a hedge-fund manager, it turns out-- was ordered off a United flight because a "high priority" passenger needed a last minute seat. They said that if he didn't want to leave willingly, he'd be leaving in handcuffs. He didn't contact the news at the time, but came forward with his story because United overbooking has been in the news. Imagine this for a minute. You buy a new TV on sale at Bestbuy. You get home, you're getting ready to watch some playoff hockey, and all of a sudden, a couple of Bestbuy employees arrive at your door. They tell you that they need to take your TV back because there's another customer who wants to pay full price for it. That would be ridiculous, right? Nobody would stand for that. So why do airlines get away with it? One of the business network analyses I saw on this issue suggested that this won't actually affect United's bottom line very much. Their reasoning: people already know that they'll be treated like crap by the airlines. Passenger expectations are so low that they're not even surprised that people can get thrown off the plane at the last minute. People will continue to choose their carrier based on lowest fares and best arrival times, the logic went. Of course, that was on Monday night, before the markets had seen how badly this has blown up on social media and the stock price took a minor hit. Maybe in the short term, some people will be mad enough at United that they are willing to pay more to fly other airlines. But in the long term, people will forget this and business will continue as usual. -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 similar thread here... -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 Agreed. Three other passengers apparently took the credits and left the plane, no problem. If it was an emergency for him (maybe he was going to a funeral or had an important guest surgery to perform somewhere, I don't know...) I'm sure the airline would have left him on the flight and bumped someone else. I hope he never gets a dime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 I h 9 minutes ago, Goddess said: Agreed. Three other passengers apparently took the credits and left the plane, no problem. If it was an emergency for him (maybe he was going to a funeral or had an important guest surgery to perform somewhere, I don't know...) I'm sure the airline would have left him on the flight and bumped someone else. I hope he never gets a dime. I hope he gets every dollar he can get for this unprofessional behaviour. Overbooking the flights is NOT the passengers problem but the airline... Fact remains that he had a valid ticket and the brutality he received from the staff is absolutely OTT. http://uk.businessinsider.com/video-police-united-airlines-flight-passenger-removed-plane-2017-4?r=US&IR=T Best way to get airliners like UA to make sure next time they won't overbook their flights....I am sure if you were at the receiving end of this you wouldn't want to be treated that way.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 (edited) The moron(s) on that plane would be the employees of United Airlines. What were they thinking???? See the repercussion of that rash decision to involve the cops? Not only did the stocks drop, their CEO got dragged to the hot seat, and this video will go viral on forever - it even resurrected these videos (also about United Airlines): See? United Airlines employ morons! Edited April 13, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 Oh yeah....I forgot to say that I just watched the press conference. They're suing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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