Russians accused of interfering in election to get Trump elected

[taxme]

7 minutes ago, Omni said:

I don't live in the US so in a way I don't care, but I'd be embarrassed if he were leader of my country.

I would be happy as hell if Trump were the leader of Canada. When I heard him speak for the first time at the debates he said that he was not politically correct. That is when I started to root for him. Political correctness is killing Canada. Topics that should be debated in Canada are shut down by the phony liberal media and our politically correct politicians right away. The Rebel is the only alternative conservative news source in Canada where conservatives can get the other side of the story that the useless lame scream media does not want Canadians to listen too. Canada is controlled by an elite intolerant liberals who will attack anyone who questions or challenges their taboo and sacred liberal beliefs. Canada needs a Trump.   

[Omni]

5 minutes ago, taxme said:

I would be happy as hell if Trump were the leader of Canada. When I heard him speak for the first time at the debates he said that he was not politically correct. That is when I started to root for him. Political correctness is killing Canada. Topics that should be debated in Canada are shut down by the phony liberal media and our politically correct politicians right away. The Rebel is the only alternative conservative news source in Canada where conservatives can get the other side of the story that the useless lame scream media does not want Canadians to listen too. Canada is controlled by an elite intolerant liberals who will attack anyone who questions or challenges their taboo and sacred liberal beliefs. Canada needs a Trump.   

Ezra Levant and The Rebel. No wonder you spout endless screed. If you like Trump so much you could always move to the US. He would never be elected in Canada, even with Russian hacking. 

[taxme]

5 minutes ago, Omni said:

Ezra Levant and The Rebel. No wonder you spout endless screed. If you like Trump so much you could always move to the US. He would never be elected in Canada, even with Russian hacking. 

 

5 minutes ago, Omni said:

Ezra Levant and The Rebel. No wonder you spout endless screed. If you like Trump so much you could always move to the US. He would never be elected in Canada, even with Russian hacking. 

I know. Canada has become too much of an intolerant liberal country. Sad to have to admit it but a person like Trump would get nowhere in Canada. The SJW marxists would see to that. With Ezra and Trump we get common sense and logic. With the intolerant liberals we get nothing but Hillary emotionalism and foolishness. I am too old to be moving now. Maybe thirty years ago, maybe. But I like it here. My only problem I have with being Canadian is how low our Canadian dollar is to the American dollar. We should be at par. 

[Omni]

3 minutes ago, taxme said:

 

I know. Canada has become too much of an intolerant liberal country. Sad to have to admit it but a person like Trump would get nowhere in Canada. The SJW marxists would see to that. With Ezra and Trump we get common sense and logic. With the intolerant liberals we get nothing but Hillary emotionalism and foolishness. I am too old to be moving now. Maybe thirty years ago, maybe. But I like it here. My only problem I have with being Canadian is how low our Canadian dollar is to the American dollar. We should be at par. 

We're intolerant but Trump wants to throw out a few million brown people and build a wall. Ezra really has you hooked I guess.

[Michael Hardner]

Am I missing something here ?  I had read that these were 'leaks' but people are calling for an investigation.  Was there an official report ?

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4037220/CIA-officials-REFUSE-brief-Congress-truth-Russian-hacking-claims-rebuked-GOP-congressman-disgraceful-move.html

 

According to this the CIA refuses to hold a briefing.  Are we basing the Russians-did-it on intelligence leaks, really ?  

 

I would be happy if Trump wasn't elected but he was.  When Jill Stein called for a recount I knew it wouldn't amount to anything and it didn't.  This seems to me to be wishful thinking more than anything.  Even if it is true, it would be impossible to prove it and would undermine and distract from government to do so.

 

[bush_cheney2004]

This alleged Russian hack also demonstrates just how foolish and incompetent Sec'y Clinton was with her private email server in her basement.   Probes and attacks should be assumed to occur, countered by security measures.  The DNC was exposed and paid the price as well (chair had to resign).

The Americans hack, the Russians hack, the Chinese hack, the Canadians hack...as do many other private and state sponsors.  

Edited December 16, 2016 by bush_cheney2004

[-TSS-]

In 29 states the electors are prohibited to vote against the will of their respective states. That leaves 21 states where they are free to vote otherwise. However, the idea of 37 electors changing their vote is not really realistic. Perhaps the general purpose of all these speculations about  Russians hacking the election and the EC not endorsing Trump is to undermine his presidency before it has even started. To root a feeling that there's something illigetimate about it.

[?Impact]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

This alleged Russian hack also demonstrates just how foolish and incompetent Sec'y Clinton was with her private email server in her basement. 

Actually that seems to be the only server around her that wasn't hacked.

[Argus]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Am I missing something here ?  I had read that these were 'leaks' but people are calling for an investigation.  Was there an official report ?

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4037220/CIA-officials-REFUSE-brief-Congress-truth-Russian-hacking-claims-rebuked-GOP-congressman-disgraceful-move.html

There seems to be no question except among the lunatic fringe, that Russians hacked the DMC and various Democrats.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07/joint-statement-department-homeland-security-and-office-director-national

The latest information, which is that the CIA has concluded the Russians hacked the US election specifically to help Trump is what has not been officially presented by the CIA though.  http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-hack.html

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, ?Impact said:

Actually that seems to be the only server around her that wasn't hacked.

 

How do you know ?   Are you an advocate for more government diplomat's email traffic on private servers ?   

[Michael Hardner]

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The latest information, which is that the CIA has concluded the Russians hacked the US election specifically to help Trump is what has not been officially presented by the CIA though

 

 

That's what I mean.  If it hasn't been officially presented, how do we know it's not being leaked based on partial information, or to delegitimize Trump... more than Trump has done himself.

[sharkman]

16 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

That's what I mean.  If it hasn't been officially presented, how do we know it's not being leaked based on partial information, or to delegitimize Trump... more than Trump has done himself.

It's leaked information so lets consider that the stuff leaked to wikileaks was done to achieve a goal.  It's said that the Russians hacked both sides but only leaked the damaging stuff on Hillary's campaign.  By the same token, this new CIA leaked stuff is probably part of a larger database, so to speak, and is being done to achieve a goal.   The agenda and the rest of the data is what we need to find out.

[Wilber]

Not just the US. Not new as far as Europe is concerned.

Moscow meddling in Europe for months

[taxme]

7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Am I missing something here ?  I had read that these were 'leaks' but people are calling for an investigation.  Was there an official report ?

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4037220/CIA-officials-REFUSE-brief-Congress-truth-Russian-hacking-claims-rebuked-GOP-congressman-disgraceful-move.html

 

According to this the CIA refuses to hold a briefing.  Are we basing the Russians-did-it on intelligence leaks, really ?  

 

I would be happy if Trump wasn't elected but he was.  When Jill Stein called for a recount I knew it wouldn't amount to anything and it didn't.  This seems to me to be wishful thinking more than anything.  Even if it is true, it would be impossible to prove it and would undermine and distract from government to do so.

 

From website Natural News I read that the leaks were committed by a disgruntled democratic supporter who was peeved off about Bernie Sanders losing out to Hillary. The Russians had nothing to do with it. Like I have always said, which no one seems to listen too, is that if the main scream media start going after anyone it is because they do not like that person or group. Anyone who listens to the main scream media really needs to start to look into the alternative media for the truth. The fake media lies. 

[taxme]

6 hours ago, -TSS- said:

In 29 states the electors are prohibited to vote against the will of their respective states. That leaves 21 states where they are free to vote otherwise. However, the idea of 37 electors changing their vote is not really realistic. Perhaps the general purpose of all these speculations about  Russians hacking the election and the EC not endorsing Trump is to undermine his presidency before it has even started. To root a feeling that there's something illigetimate about it.

The sore cry baby losers are not going to give up. They are trying everything under the sun to try and stop Trump from becoming President. It will not work for them. Gawd only knows what they will try to do on inaguration day.  

[Topaz]

It's more like  G .Soros  paid someone in the CIA to make it look like it was Russia ,since  helping Clinton didn't work out for him. He got his nose in everything, even behind the Ukraine upheaval.

[Topaz]

I was also told by a person into world politics, that it was a US citizen and NOT the Russians and there is also an English diplomat that wants to come to the US and go  US TV but the government won't let him in.  The US is also fighting Russia over a pipeline  within Syria......its Iraq all over again!  WE can't believe main stream media because the CEO's are against Trump and don't want him as President and nothing is off the table to stop him.

[sharkman]

Here's a new revelation:  Obama knew that the Russians had been hacking or cyber spying on the US for years.  I sound like a broken record by now, but here's yet another instance in which Obama did nothing about it.

 

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In 2014 it penetrated computer networks at the White House and the State Department. Neither the White House nor the mainstream media reacted with any great alarm.

In one of the most extensive hacks on America, Chinese hackers invaded the massive files of the Office of Personnel Management and stole personnel data and security background checks of millions of federal workers.

In other examples, the Federal Reserve, which sets monetary policy and oversees the banking industry, detected more than 50 cyberbreaches between 2011 and 2015, and some were called espionage, Reuters reported in June, citing federal records. The IRS also has acknowledged that taxpayer files have been stolen by hackers.

 

 

So all of a sudden, Obama's mad as hell and is not gonna take it!!  Yeah right, sherlock.  After years of doing nothing and then WATCHING THEM DO IT AGAIN IN REAL TIME, HE DID NOTHING DURING THE ELECTION CYCLE.   But after his side lost, then he decided America's interests were at stake, after several years of leaving the barn door open.  

[Smallc]

Where have you been?  This has been all over the media for years.

 

Also, you don't understand why an attack on democracy is different? 

[cybercoma]

On 12/13/2016 at 9:36 PM, kimmy said:

I agree, but I still think the evidence needs to be put on the table and publicly discussed.

And what if that would endanger the lives of intelligence operatives or damage their ability to do work? There are some situations where things can't be completely open and transparent. 

[Wilber]

10 hours ago, taxme said:

From website Natural News I read that the leaks were committed by a disgruntled democratic supporter who was peeved off about Bernie Sanders losing out to Hillary. The Russians had nothing to do with it. Like I have always said, which no one seems to listen too, is that if the main scream media start going after anyone it is because they do not like that person or group. Anyone who listens to the main scream media really needs to start to look into the alternative media for the truth. The fake media lies. 

And where is their evidence? 

[sharkman]

There is also no evidence from the MSM reporting that the Russians hacked the election.  They have a source, and and they are printing their assertions without evidence.

I'm just surprised about the timing of Obama getting religion and threatening to respond against the Russians.  Again, he knew it was the Russians in the weeks leading up to the election, but he did nothing to respond to the "attack on democracy".  No, no, it was okay then.  Let Russia do it, it's fine.  Then, after Hillary loses Obama humbly meets Trump at the White House.  Obama says its over and we need a smooth transition to the new president.  With me so far?

Then the Wisconsin recount effort springs up, with counts wanted in other states as the Dems beat the bushes looking for Russian tampering with the voting machines.  Obama stays silent about Russians.  But Dec 10 or so, suddenly the Washington Post claims the CIA thinks that the Russians influenced the election and the MSM jumps on it like a fat kid on candy.  But it's nothing new, we already knew they leaked to wiki.  So at this late date, Obama threatens Russia.  

Only it's now been shown that Russia and China have been hacking US interests for YEARS.  Obama did nothing for 5 or  6 years ignoring his intelligence community.   What kind of an idiot for a president does nothing, says nothing, responds with nothing for 6 years, and then in the twilight of his term, suddenly gets religion?

Because concerning the election, it was not state secrets or technology being stolen.  The Russians leaked the dem's emails that showed they committed election fraud.  Members of the MSM asking for input on what questions to ask Rep candidates.  Giving Hillary the questions to the debates ahead of time.  Making sure that Bernie would lose.  This is election fraud, and they deserved to lose.

It's all being done in hopes of influencing the Electoral College.  The election hasn't ended for some twisted people.  They'll do anything,(including threatening members of the EC) to change their votes.  

Edited December 16, 2016 by sharkman

[Boges]

47 minutes ago, cybercoma said:

And what if that would endanger the lives of intelligence operatives or damage their ability to do work? There are some situations where things can't be completely open and transparent. 

Then you can't reverse the election result. We'll just take people at their word. LOL

[cybercoma]

Just now, Boges said:

Then you can't reverse the election result. We'll just take people at their word. LOL

These aren't some random "people." It's the intelligence agencies, whose job it is to monitor these sorts of things. We're not talking some radical leftwing bloggers here or something.

[Wilber]

Obama has asked the CIA to complete its report before he leaves office. I believe we will see evidence then. If they don't make that deadline, it will be interesting to see if Trump tries to block its release.