Russians accused of interfering in election to get Trump elected

[GostHacked]

On 7/21/2017 at 10:32 AM, sharkman said:

Gosh.  Obama let Putin get away with invading the Ukraine, and taking the lead in Syria.  For the love of pete, get some perspective, man.

Whats different from the USA taking the lead in , Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria and more to come..... Remember, Russia is an ally of Syria.

[Wilber]

53 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

Whats different from the USA taking the lead in , Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria and more to come..... Remember, Russia is an ally of Syria.

Russia and the former Soviet Union have been an ally of Syria since the fifties. They have always had the lead in Syria.

[sharkman]

On 8/2/2017 at 4:09 PM, GostHacked said:

Whats different from the USA taking the lead in , Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria and more to come..... Remember, Russia is an ally of Syria.

Obama HAD the lead in Syria.  He gave it up and let Russia begin bombing runs, etc.  Russia then started bombing American interests in Syria.  Obama decreasing American interests in the Mid East, and at the same time having a stormy relationship with Israel, their main ally in the Mid East, was a momentous change.  Hopefully one can see that regardless of personal bias.

Edited August 5, 2017 by sharkman

[ReeferMadness]

On 8/5/2017 at 9:19 AM, sharkman said:

Obama HAD the lead in Syria.  He gave it up and let Russia begin bombing runs, etc.  Russia then started bombing American interests in Syria.  Obama decreasing American interests in the Mid East, and at the same time having a stormy relationship with Israel, their main ally in the Mid East, was a momentous change.  Hopefully one can see that regardless of personal bias.

My personal bias is that if western countries are going to intervene militarily in another country, they do so only with the best interests of that country's citizens in mind and only when it's clear that they are doing so.  If the USA bombs Syria to protect American interests and their relationship with Israel, it's not clear to me how their actions are morally superior to that of Russia. 

If Obama had any good options for military intervention in Syria, it isn't clear to me what they were.  My understanding was that he tried to support 'moderate' Syrian rebels only there didn't really seem to be any.

I'm sure all those Syrian kids on the ground are saddened that you didn't get your wish that more bombs were dropped on their country. 

[sharkman]

How quickly people forget.  Obama threatened that Syria had crossed a red line when they gassed their own people.  Syrian kids on the ground, like for real dude.

 

Apart from stepping back from Israel, Obama decided to sign some kind of treaty allowing Iran to develop nuclear technology, and they'll have nukes within a couple of years, just like North Korea.  The most immoral thing the US ever did was to sign a treaty with North Korea in which they gave them 2 nuclear reactors and 5 billion in return for a promise to not develop nuclear weapons.  I simply hope that the two idiots that made this happen, Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter, both are alive when NK tries to nuke the US.  Way to go fellas, thanks for the new terror threat.

[Chrissy1979]

On 08/08/2017 at 9:38 AM, sharkman said:

How quickly people forget.  Obama threatened that Syria had crossed a red line when they gassed their own people.  Syrian kids on the ground, like for real dude.

 

Apart from stepping back from Israel, Obama decided to sign some kind of treaty allowing Iran to develop nuclear technology, and they'll have nukes within a couple of years, just like North Korea.  The most immoral thing the US ever did was to sign a treaty with North Korea in which they gave them 2 nuclear reactors and 5 billion in return for a promise to not develop nuclear weapons.  I simply hope that the two idiots that made this happen, Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter, both are alive when NK tries to nuke the US.  Way to go fellas, thanks for the new terror threat.

Oh shouldn't just regurgitate Trump talking points from social media. They're usually wrong and you obviously don't have the the "inclination" to check. http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2017/aug/09/viral-image/viral-image-wrongly-blames-bill-clinton-giving-nor/

[GostHacked]

On 8/5/2017 at 0:19 PM, sharkman said:

Obama HAD the lead in Syria.  He gave it up and let Russia begin bombing runs, etc.  Russia then started bombing American interests in Syria.  Obama decreasing American interests in the Mid East, and at the same time having a stormy relationship with Israel, their main ally in the Mid East, was a momentous change.  Hopefully one can see that regardless of personal bias.

Obama never had any lead in Syria. But you also have to take into consideration the weapons and training given to the 'rebels'. That is directly funding the demise of a nation's government. That is called subversion. We would not accept it here, why are we accepting it there.  Russia is simply trying to keep Assad in power. Remove him and then you have Iraq/Afghanistan all over again. NATO with Turkey is directly contributing to this.  America has no interests in Syria aside from making it a hell hole. Maybe someone can tell me WHAT those US interests are in Syria. That might be helpful to shed some light as to why NATO is attacking Syria. I don't believe for a second it has to do with removing Assad from power. Because a small specialized team can easily make that happen without destroying a whole nation.

 

[jacee]

On 07/08/2017 at 3:57 PM, ReeferMadness said:

My understanding was that he tried to support 'moderate' Syrian rebels only there didn't really seem to be any.

Initially there were some, opposing Assad. But when the US/CIA sent in their ISIS goons, the moderates fought them to try to save their country from the US/CIA.

[Argus]

4 hours ago, jacee said:

Initially there were some, opposing Assad. But when the US/CIA sent in their ISIS goons, the moderates fought them to try to save their country from the US/CIA.

This is complete paranoid, conspiracy theory nonsense. In fact, the US has provided very little aid to rebels in Syria precisely because most of the more powerful ones were made up of religious fanatics - like ISIS. The idea the US controls ISIS is on a par with the believe in the Illuminati or the Freemasons or the Jews controlling the world

[taxme]

On 7/11/2017 at 0:14 PM, sharkman said:

I read your link.  In it, no actual proof of Russian government involvement is given.  The article mentions 3 unnamed people that contend that the meeting was part of a Russian government effort to aid Trump's campaign.  They all claim to have knowledge of the email, again no proof is given that they do.  Their names don't appear.  No proof is given that the Russian lawyer is connected to the Kremlin.  It reads like the National Enquirer, and this conspiracy theory is what blue chip news organizations are running with today.  What a joke.

 

Tell me how this is any worse than the Clinton campaign trying to gather dirt on Trump or Sanders.  How is it any worse than Obama famously telling the Russian president in 2012 that he would be freer to negotiate with Russia after his election? 

 

 

The media tells us all the time that they got their information from "Anonymous sources" and that those "anonymous sources" tell us that the Russians did it but they still can't come up with anything. I guess the reason for that is that there is nothing there. This "Mule"er commission has become nothing more than a circus full of stupid not so funny clowns.  

What is needed is a commission formed to investigate the crimes of the Clinton's and Obamarama.  What is Trump waiting for?  Let's get some real action going here. 

[taxme]

On 7/14/2017 at 10:41 AM, DogOnPorch said:

Russian submarines rarely fire their missiles from below the surface of the ocean and use dangerous liquid hypergolic fuels because...well...they're just smarter than Americans.

Crooooooooked....c-c-c-croaked....crawkwed...decrepit...wait....I'll get the hang of it.

Just say the word Hillary. Than you will "get the hang of it".  

[WestCanMan]

This thread is a great/important read now with the benefit of hindsight. 

Everyone who considers CNN and CTV to be 'legitimate news sources' should look through their old posts now and take stock of just how wrong they were. 

Then go back and watch some old Hannity reruns, lo and behold you'll see that there actually was some accurate reporting on Russian collusion from all those years ago. Who knew? 

[WestCanMan]

On 12/11/2016 at 2:41 PM, dialamah said:

Totally agree; who cares if Russia sets up an orange-haired puppet for President of the United States.   

Busted for spreading total bullshit. 

Do you have a comment? 

Do you feel like your news sources are bogus, or that the FBI/CIA are political pawns? 

These weren't small accusations that you made. It's really pathetic if you can't own up at all. 

[WestCanMan]

On 12/11/2016 at 3:50 PM, ReeferMadness said:

Right.  And of course every one of those bombs lands on ISIS, doesn't it?  Those bombs are smart enough to not kill and maim civilians?  kids?  Those bombs don't wipe out civilian infrastructure like water purification plants and electrical generation plants, leaving the civilian population to die later of disease?

Oh, I'm sorry.  I guess I assumed you might care what happens to poor brown people who might have a different religion than you.   My bad - carry on eating popcorn and watching war porn.  Cheer on those military stocks too!

With the benefit of hindsight, we all know that Trump's war on islamic state was incredibly successful.

By contrast, Biden dropped one bomb and he killed an entire family plus a foreign aid worker.

Anything that you'd like to add? Do you feel like your post was accurate and insightful, or did you get stooged?

[WestCanMan]

On 12/11/2016 at 4:18 PM, ReeferMadness said:

Patent nonsense.  All of it. 

Military action by foreign powers in poor countries almost always makes things worse. 

Islamic state just called. Just kidding. They're dead.

An example of "making things worse" was Biden caving in Afghanistan. Do you miss Trump yet? 

[WestCanMan]

On 12/11/2016 at 4:47 PM, ReeferMadness said:

<palm hits forehead>

The Islamic terrorists are a ragtag bunch of nobodies who mostly kill other Muslims. 

 

What a joke. 

I really want to know where you get the bulk of your information from, just for shits and giggles. 

[WestCanMan]

On 12/11/2016 at 5:40 PM, Wilber said:

CIA says Russia interfered in the election. The Donald says that is nonsense. How does the Donald know. He doesn't say. The Donald doesn't have to back up anything he says.

You're conflating topics.

CIA says that Russia interfered: they put out attack ads against both candidates to sow discord.

CNN twists that into: Russia put out ads that exclusively favoured Trump, at Trump's behest.

Trump says that he didn't ask the Russians for sweet FA, and Trump absolutely does know whether or not he asked Russia for help. It's incredibly stupid to think that he didn't.

[WestCanMan]

On 12/11/2016 at 7:16 PM, cybercoma said:

Ridiculous pandering. You can call it what it is. It's a statement from the CIA that there was Russian interference in the election.

Right. But that statement said that they played both sides from the middle and they never said that there was evidence that Trump asked Russia for help. 

[WestCanMan]

On 12/14/2016 at 5:01 PM, Hal 9000 said:

I know when I'm being played.  I know whether a person/or people are lying by just how they're selling their story.  

James Clapper, coincidentally one month ago (on the day he announced his retirement), stated that the intelligence community has no credible evidence, and now that he is pretty much gone, the intelligence community has ramped up the story.  And today it was announced that the oversight committee has asked the CIA  (and others) to come brief them on the evidence, and were told they wouldn't brief them.  

As I said, nothing will come of this, you'll never see any plausible evidence.  All that will happen is that the CIA hangs out some idea and stands back while the media tries to connect dots that aren't there.    

You guys can buy whatever story you're fed - I don't have to.

Boom. 

Nailed it back on Dec 14th 2016.

Nice.