Trump and Canada

[Omni]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Canada can't ignore anything in the United States.    Noses are always pressed to the window, looking south.

That seems to have done a 180 about a month ago. Don't get frostbite in your nose.

[bush_cheney2004]

6 minutes ago, Omni said:

That seems to have done a 180 about a month ago. Don't get frostbite in your nose.

 

What happened a month ago ?    More Canadians still stream across the border to the south than Americans going north.

Trump dominates Canada's media today, and he isn't even the president yet.

[Rue]

38 minutes ago, Omni said:

Hard to ignore a neanderthal taking over such a large country don't you think?

He said some shocking and ignorant stuff but is he the Neanderthal you think he is?

A Neanderthal would not have chosen who he did for Sec. of Education and UN Ambassador. He chose 2 women that absolutely hate his guts as much as any woman might be expected to. Good move.

Neanderthals don't do that.

Hey Trump said some ignorant stuff true but who he really is and what he said  to get elected may not be 100% the same is all I am saying. I was the first to call him out on his ignorant crazy comments, I am the first to acknowledge when he appears to be embracing his enemies and showing a willingness to work with people who are not clones of himself.

Now mind you his wife is the only reason I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. Melania and I go way back. She offered to help me become PM of Canada but I said, no, no, the country needed Joe Clark back in office so I passed. Then that Kim Campbell's soup  got elected and the rest is history.

 

[Omni]

4 minutes ago, Rue said:

He said some shocking and ignorant stuff but is he the Neanderthal you think he is?

A Neanderthal would not have chosen who he did for Sec. of Education and UN Ambassador. He chose 2 women that absolutely hate his guts as much as any woman might be expected to. Good move.

Neanderthals don't do that.

Hey Trump said some ignorant stuff true but who he really is and what he said  to get elected may not be 100% the same is all I am saying. I was the first to call him out on his ignorant crazy comments, I am the first to acknowledge when he appears to be embracing his enemies and showing a willingness to work with people who are not clones of himself.

Now mind you his wife is the only reason I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. Melania and I go way back. She offered to help me become PM of Canada but I said, no, no, the country needed Joe Clark back in office so I passed. Then that Kim Campbell's soup  got elected and the rest is history.

 

Trump wants to move Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, and he has an avowed Islamophobe as national security adviser.  Sounds kind of neanderthalic to me.

[bush_cheney2004]

Another full-on panic for this guy.....Trump scares the hell out of 'em.  Note how he defines the threat to Canada in U.S. terms....so Canadian !

 

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A former Liberal cabinet minister and leader of a major Canadian business group says Donald Trump's impending presidency poses an economic threat to Canada that's on par with the 9/11 attacks on the United States.

..."This is existential for Canada. This is the heart that beats (in) our economy so we just can't get this wrong," Manley said in an interview Wednesday.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-manley-911-economy-1.3864778

 

[Smallc]

On 11/17/2016 at 10:53 AM, Argus said:

Not a fan of Rick Santorum but hard to disagree with him on this. Trudeau was foolish to bring up his willingness to negotiate NAFTA, he says. 

I'm pretty sure Trump actually brought it up first - repeatedly.  That's why Canada and Mexico both said basically the same thing.  You want to open this, we're willing to look at it.

[bush_cheney2004]

Doesn't matter if Canada or Mexico were wiling or not.   Trump can leave with six months notice, so Trudeau blinked.

[Smallc]

Trudeau simply did the diplomatic thing.  Trump can do a lot of things in theory.  

[cannuck]

On 11/9/2016 at 5:54 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

But most American production IS NOT exported to Canada..   Big difference.

The U.S. doesn't exist just to give Canada a viable auto/parts industrial base.

Name one major Canadian owned car make.

The largest independent supplier of automotive sub-assemblies (to the world, I believe) is...wait for it...Canadian (Stronach).  In spite of the massive difference in population the automobile trade is much more in balance, as it is at the OEM and tier 1 supplier level, not consumer only.

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, cannuck said:

The largest independent supplier of automotive sub-assemblies (to the world, I believe) is...wait for it...Canadian (Stronach).  In spite of the massive difference in population the automobile trade is much more in balance, as it is at the OEM and tier 1 supplier level, not consumer only.

 

Do you mean Magna ?   China, Japan, Germany, and the U.S. all export more automotive parts worldwide than does Canada.

[cannuck]

16 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Do you mean Magna ?   China, Japan, Germany, and the U.S. all export more automotive parts worldwide than does Canada.

But,  no one company moreso that Magna - that is very international and very Canadian (although now traded NYSE as well as TSE).

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, cannuck said:

But,  no one company moreso that Magna - that is very international and very Canadian (although now traded NYSE as well as TSE).

 

I doubt that...Magna has many subsidiaries worldwide as do other companies.   Magna is not a country.

[cannuck]

It is every bit as "Canadian" as GM or Ford is "American" or Volkswagen is "German".   Just think Ford, Durant, Stronach.

Edited December 2, 2016 by cannuck

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, cannuck said:

It is every bit as "Canadian" as GM or Ford is "American" or Volkswagen is "German".

 

That's what I posted..."Canada"...not "company".

Magna's worldwide sales were actually down $4 billion for CY2015:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/199726/global-sales-of-magna-international-inc-since-2001/

GM's worldwide 2015 sales was about $150 billion...5X Magna's:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/199726/global-sales-of-magna-international-inc-since-2001/

[bush_cheney2004]

Excellent piece on Canada's ambassador to the U.S. under a President Trump.    The Canadian hand wringing and dancing about what may be is very entertaining.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/canadas-ambassador-to-us-makes-the-case-for-playing-nice-with-trump/article33195335/

[bush_cheney2004]

More Canadian panic over President Trump's proposed tax cuts and the impact on Canadian professionals, including doctors:

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Donald Trump will cause an “enormous” tax competitiveness problem, warns former Bank of Canada governor David Dodge, who predicts the new U.S. presidency will threaten Canada’s ability to grow the economy by attracting and retaining professionals who earn six-figure salaries.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/liberals-dismiss-warnings-that-doctors-will-head-to-us-over-tax-changes/article33130634/

 

Canadian specialists are tired of the crap in provincial health care and tax hikes:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/doctors-warn-thousands-could-leave-for-us-over-new-federal-tax-hikes/article33118694/

Edited December 3, 2016 by bush_cheney2004

[bush_cheney2004]

Canada's federal and provincial governments are now fighting with each other over the impact of Donald Trump on climate change measures.  

And Trump isn't even the president yet.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-premiers-climate-deal-1.3888244

[taxme]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Canada's federal and provincial governments are now fighting with each other over the impact of Donald Trump on climate change measures.  

And Trump isn't even the president yet.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-premiers-climate-deal-1.3888244

If the Canadian news media didn't have Trump or America to talk about they would have to cut their programming in half. They would have to probably lay off some of their boring staff reporters and announcers. Why the Canadian media has to report about what goes on in America every day and all the time is beyond me. If they want something to talk about come and see me I will give them a lot to talk about and report in regards too Canada, and the problems Canadians face every day. But after they had to listen to me for one day they would take me off their radar because they would be dealing with a person who does not speak political correctness. The media doesn't like those kinds of people.   

[Canadianjim]

On 2016-12-02 at 4:17 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

Excellent piece on Canada's ambassador to the U.S. under a President Trump.    The Canadian hand wringing and dancing about what may be is very entertaining.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/canadas-ambassador-to-us-makes-the-case-for-playing-nice-with-trump/article33195335/

Canada is America's largest customer . We purchase more than all of Europe combined. When we speak that is how we speak as their biggest customer. Believe me, no capitalist wants to lose their biggest customer.

[Canadianjim]

On 2016-11-23 at 0:11 PM, Omni said:

That seems to have done a 180 about a month ago. Don't get frostbite in your nose.

I agree. The constant massacre of american children in schools does take up a lot of news hours. In between you can watch them shoot unarmed blacks.

[Omni]

On 12/9/2016 at 10:41 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

Canada's federal and provincial governments are now fighting with each other over the impact of Donald Trump on climate change measures.  

And Trump isn't even the president yet.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-premiers-climate-deal-1.3888244

Hopefully the effort to hide the actual scientific data from Trump before he can get his hands on it will be successful. Otherwise Americans will be sucking coal smoke up their nose and wondering how did we end up going backwards.  

[blueblood]

On 2016-12-10 at 0:41 AM, bush_cheney2004 said:

Canada's federal and provincial governments are now fighting with each other over the impact of Donald Trump on climate change measures.  

And Trump isn't even the president yet.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-premiers-climate-deal-1.3888244

In fairness it's a discussion worth having and it's an important one.  The USA is primed to get ready to outcompete other countries with lower taxes and slashed regulations.  Premier wall is right to be concerned about what we are doing about it or lack thereof.  Australia has deep sized their carbon tax.  You guys aren't doing one.  The concern we have is a loss of competitiveness caused by our stubbornness.  I don't know what individual states corporate rates are, but if you guys get a less rate than ours and irelands on top of the repatriation discount, we are going to get caught with our pants down.  I don't blame the USA for doing these things as for the past 20 yrs companies have been voting with their dollars to go to more business friendly jurisdictions.  In game of thrones lingo, winter is coming for Canada...

[Canadianjim]

On 2016-11-09 at 6:55 AM, Argus said:

I don't think Trump thinks one way or the other about Canada, but I find it very hard to believe he's going to think much of Justin Trudeau, or vice versa. I think Trump and his VP are anathema to Trudeau and his entire cabinet. Trudeau or someone is going to have to sit on his people to keep them from making nasty comments to the media. Trump doesn't forget or forgive. 

Ironically, I think Harper would have gotten along with both him and Pence far better, particularly Pence, who is likely going to be by far the most powerful Vice President in US history. He and Harper share that evangelist stuff, and he and Trump would have respected Harper in a way they definitely won't respect Trudeau. 

This is going to be an isolationist government, and with so much of our trade with the US it's going to be important to try and maintain a good relationship, particularly in light of how vindictive and petty Trump can be towards perceived slights. It's going to be even harder because, no matter what he might say about wanting 'fair deals' in trade he has never sought fair deals with anyone before. He's sought to screw them over. Fortunately, Trump won't be in charge of much, other than as a general overseer. I think Pence will be the guy to deal with. Trump is not the sort to hold long meetings or read long reports. Pence will do that and verbally summarize what he thinks Trump needs to hear.

I don't think Pence is going to have much time for Trudeau either, though. Which does not bode well for NAFTA and other trans border agreements. I think the US is going to get even more heavy handed at its border because of the number of Muslims coming into Canada, and that Canada might also face heavy pressure due to its lack of military spending. In fact, Trump might want to make an example out of Trudeau in this regard. You can forget any sort of climate change legislation for the foreseeable future, which means Canada is left imposing heavy penalties on industries located here while no such penalties exist across the border. Which means even if NAFTA remains we're going to see a surge in relocations as industries move south to take advantage of the lower taxes and lower energy costs.

All in all, I see little good coming out of this presidency for Canada, other than that cross-border pipelines will be given the go-ahead.

When we speak to America , we speak as their largest customer. That is the power we have. If they want to risk losing their biggest customer then so be it. 

[betsy]

On 11/9/2016 at 9:55 AM, Argus said:

I don't think Trump thinks one way or the other about Canada, but I find it very hard to believe he's going to think much of Justin Trudeau, or vice versa. I think Trump and his VP are anathema to Trudeau and his entire cabinet. Trudeau or someone is going to have to sit on his people to keep them from making nasty comments to the media. Trump doesn't forget or forgive.

 

That's why I said Justin made a major boo-boo that could cost us. He made his bromance with Obama cloud his better judgement. 

 

With the looming presidential election, Trudeau should have been diplomatic about his relationship with Obama.  But, he must've assumed that the next administration would be an Obama-extension.....so he started sucking up to Obama by throwing punches at Trump.

 

Oh, the impulsive, presumptiveness of youth......

Edited December 21, 2016 by betsy

[betsy]

On 12/19/2016 at 8:57 PM, Canadianjim said:

When we speak to America , we speak as their largest customer. That is the power we have. If they want to risk losing their biggest customer then so be it. 

Isn't the USA our customer too? 

 

 

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Top Trading Partners - December 2013

https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/highlights/top/top1312yr.html

 

Mind you, the power you speak of is dwindling.....when some Canadian business execs are talking about investing in the USA!

Edited December 21, 2016 by betsy