Trump and Canada

[bush_cheney2004]

5 minutes ago, Topaz said:

.....BC2004, why do u always have the us vs them attitude between Canada and the US?  U said Canadians would FEAR Trump but the fear is spread through the US 

 

Because I am a nationalist and learned about "smug" anti-American Canadians from a Gordon Sinclair speech over 40 years ago.   "Us vs. them" is actually how many Canadians define their national identity. 

Some Canadians FEARing Trump does not preclude some Americans FEARing Trump.

If you want to improve CanAm relations, please send a post card to President Elect Trump to congratulate him on his victory:

The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington D.C.  20500

 

[DogOnPorch]

Gordon's famous speech.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfL6WHdCsl8

[OftenWrong]

20 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Good, then the Americans can just pack up and leave without any impact on Ontario, bringing jobs back to the U.S. and Americans.

Probably the best thing that can happen for Canada anyway. This country's been sucking on that tit for far too long.

[bush_cheney2004]

Kathleen Wynne, premier of Canada's "rust belt" province of Ontario,  is not very pleased with Trump's victory.

 

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"I was shocked, I'll be honest. I think it's very disappointing,"...

..."I'm very concerned for our trade relationship with the United States," she said. "We're going to have to see what is in his power to do."

"We're going to be fighting very hard here in Ontario to keep those open relationships. We are interdependent on the United States." 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/programs/metromorning/wynne-trump-1.3843115

 

[Derek 2.0]

18 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Kathleen Wynne, premier of Canada's "rust belt" province of Ontario,  is not very pleased with Trump's victory.

 

 

 

I don't get why her and the Trudeau government don't shut their collective yaps.........wish the Donald congrads and keep quite, in the hopes that he forgets Canada well he's making America Great Again....

[bush_cheney2004]

9 minutes ago, Derek 2.0 said:

I don't get why her and the Trudeau government don't shut their collective yaps.........wish the Donald congrads and keep quite, in the hopes that he forgets Canada well he's making America Great Again....

 

Well, I have been admonished here many times for not understanding just how the "morons" south of the border impact the lives of Canadians, especially those in Ontariario.

So I guess they just can't help it, because it "matters so much".     Justin Trudeau plaintively said so.  Maybe they get some political points for crying about the outcome along with other "shocked" Canadians and progressive Americans.   If they are already screwed in their own minds, not much more to lose.

Edited November 15, 2016 by bush_cheney2004

[Derek 2.0]

20 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Maybe they get some political points for crying about the outcome along with other "shocked" Canadians and progressive Americans.   If they are already screwed in their own minds, not much more to lose.

 

Indeed.......but they can only cry for points for so long.........eventually the proletariat decides it can no longer eat slogans......

[DogOnPorch]

5 minutes ago, Derek 2.0 said:

 

Indeed.......but they can only cry for points for so long.........eventually the proletariat decides it can no longer eat slogans......

 

Well, they did eat books during the Siege of Leningrad...the paste in the book bindings, apparently. So...you know...eventually they eat their slogans.

[Rue]

On ‎2016‎-‎11‎-‎14 at 7:54 PM, OftenWrong said:

Probably the best thing that can happen for Canada anyway. This country's been sucking on that tit for far too long.

Phew you said tit. Could have been worse.

[Rue]

On ‎2016‎-‎11‎-‎15 at 3:24 AM, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Well, I have been admonished here many times for not understanding just how the "morons" south of the border impact the lives of Canadians, especially those in Ontario

So I guess they just can't help it, because it "matters so much".     Justin Trudeau plaintively said so.  Maybe they get some political points for crying about the outcome along with other "shocked" Canadians and progressive Americans.   If they are already screwed in their own minds, not much more to lose.

We have our own made in Ontario problems coupled with someone flitting about for photo ops running up record debts generations will not be able to pay back and locking us into spiralling escalation. The mortgage debts in Canada are about to implode. We have some silver spoon brought up on receiving a trust fund cheque once a month to live on thinking Canada's treasury is a bottom-less trust fund just like his Daddy's. 

[Topaz]

I can't see much changing between the US and Canada trading and most of the complaining is jobs leaving to Mexico, when US companies move there. Some of the job loss is also IT.,robots replacing humans and that will probably keep growing, then what?  

[bush_cheney2004]

3 hours ago, Topaz said:

I can't see much changing between the US and Canada trading and most of the complaining is jobs leaving to Mexico, when US companies move there. Some of the job loss is also IT.,robots replacing humans and that will probably keep growing, then what?  

 

I don't think Canada is off the hook.  

From my own experience, Canadian citizens like NAFTA for easier access to IT jobs in the U.S. with TN work classification but no visa required.  Mexicans are required to also have a Visa.   Other nationals know this and use Canada/Mexico as the NAFTA gateway to U.S. jobs.    It was recently reported that there are 300,000 Canadians working in California alone at IT and many other jobs.

[Argus]

Not a fan of Rick Santorum but hard to disagree with him on this. Trudeau was foolish to bring up his willingness to negotiate NAFTA, he says. 

“When you’re negotiating, the first person who opens up the door creates an opportunity for the other side,” Santorum said. “I’m not too sure that’s a great negotiating posture for him but we certainly appreciate it.”

“You’re governed by a bunch of liberals up here who have different agendas. They have the green agenda. They have an immigration agenda. They have agendas that are not the Trump agenda — and shouldn’t be — because they are not in the best interests of working people in Canada and they’re not in the best interests of working people in the U.S.”

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/national/trudeau+unwise+signal+intention+write+nafta+trump+insider+rick/12395837/story.html

[bush_cheney2004]

Both Canada and Mexico are scrambling to try and get their poop in a group before Trump is inaugurated.   Trudeau and Nieto have seemingly formed a strategy that presumes Trump will have the leverage he needs to change NAFTA...so they call it "improvement" to dress it up as best they can. 

Prime Minister Abe of Japan is not waiting...he meets with Trump today in New York.   Suddenly "crazy man" Trump is U.S. prsident elect. and he is getting lots of attention, and that will include Canada, which will have to get in line to see him.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-mexico-trade-nafta-trump-1.3853406

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/16/politics/japan-abe-trump-visit/index.html

 

[bush_cheney2004]

These Canadians are starting to worry about Trump inspired changes....the easy breezy days of the TN visa for well paying tech jobs in the United States may be over:

 

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Some Canadians who've been living the California dream in Silicon Valley thanks to a special work visa available under the North American Free Trade Agreement say they're fearful that any changes to the treaty under a new U.S. administration could put their jobs in peril.

With a TN (Treaty NAFTA) visa in hand, thousands of Canadians move freely across the 49th parallel once they've received a job offer from a U.S. agency or company.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/canadians-working-california-nafta-1.3855661

 

[betsy]

On 11/9/2016 at 9:55 AM, Argus said:

I don't think Trump thinks one way or the other about Canada, but I find it very hard to believe he's going to think much of Justin Trudeau, or vice versa. I think Trump and his VP are anathema to Trudeau and his entire cabinet. Trudeau or someone is going to have to sit on his people to keep them from making nasty comments to the media. Trump doesn't forget or forgive. 

Ironically, I think Harper would have gotten along with both him and Pence far better, particularly Pence, who is likely going to be by far the most powerful Vice President in US history. He and Harper share that evangelist stuff, and he and Trump would have respected Harper in a way they definitely won't respect Trudeau. 

This is going to be an isolationist government, and with so much of our trade with the US it's going to be important to try and maintain a good relationship, particularly in light of how vindictive and petty Trump can be towards perceived slights. It's going to be even harder because, no matter what he might say about wanting 'fair deals' in trade he has never sought fair deals with anyone before. He's sought to screw them over. Fortunately, Trump won't be in charge of much, other than as a general overseer. I think Pence will be the guy to deal with. Trump is not the sort to hold long meetings or read long reports. Pence will do that and verbally summarize what he thinks Trump needs to hear.

I don't think Pence is going to have much time for Trudeau either, though. Which does not bode well for NAFTA and other trans border agreements. I think the US is going to get even more heavy handed at its border because of the number of Muslims coming into Canada, and that Canada might also face heavy pressure due to its lack of military spending. In fact, Trump might want to make an example out of Trudeau in this regard. You can forget any sort of climate change legislation for the foreseeable future, which means Canada is left imposing heavy penalties on industries located here while no such penalties exist across the border. Which means even if NAFTA remains we're going to see a surge in relocations as industries move south to take advantage of the lower taxes and lower energy costs.

All in all, I see little good coming out of this presidency for Canada, other than that cross-border pipelines will be given the go-ahead.

The UN will be greatly affected by Trump.  Canada will get asked to step up and give more, to fill up the lack from the USA.

 

Tighten your belt - Trudeau is more into gaining the approval of UN more than anything else.

[bush_cheney2004]

It has been fascinating to see just how much Donald Trump has dominated Canadian media during the election campaign and more now because he is the president elect.   Team Trudeau is scrambling to be in the best position to deal with the unconventional Donald Trump's moves, and the CBC is freaking out over the legitimizing of the evil "alt-right", fake news, post truth, and other trends that it cannot understand let alone stop from crossing the border. 

This is what happens when U.S. media is always the go to content for Canadian consumption.

[bush_cheney2004]

Donald Trump even dominates the Canadian PM's visit to Cuba and Argentina.   Trudeau can't stop talking about TRUMP:

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Throughout his trip through Latin America this week, the prime minister has been dogged by a question being posed to — and by — leaders the world over ever since last week's U.S. election: what to do about Trump?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-trump-argentina-williams-1.3857734

 

[eyeball]

16 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

It has been fascinating to see just how much Donald Trump has dominated Canadian media...

Like most places around the planet...you OTOH act like Canada is the center of the universe.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Like most places around the planet...you OTOH act like Canada is the center of the universe.

 

It is the center of the universe for non-Americans obsessed with the United States. 

I guess hockey just doesn't do it like it used to.    It's all Trump...Trump...Trump !

[bush_cheney2004]

It is easy to find Canadian reactions to President Elect Trump.    On the one hand, we have Canadians who believe that Canada should press on with policies that reflect Canadian values (whatever that means) that are not sidetracked just because of what happens in the U.S.   On the other, there are Canadians who recognize the cost of going it alone for principle(s), because principle(s) won't always pay the bills.

Trump's election is spawning nervous conversations and reactions like this in Canada (on national carbon pricing):

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/lifestyle/video/trudeau-says-trump-expressed-warmth-towards-canada/vi-AAk8XFX?refvid=AAklthN

 

[bush_cheney2004]

OMG...Canadians are fighting with each other over Donald Trump...in Toronto.  

Hint:  Trump is the President-Elect....in a foreign country !

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/anti-trump-toronto-protest-clash-1.3859058

[bush_cheney2004]

President-Elect Trump continues to dominate Canadian media....including Ralph Nader (another American) interview about Trump on The National:

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/the-national-for-november-20-2016-1.3859960

[Omni]

On 11/21/2016 at 0:14 AM, bush_cheney2004 said:

President-Elect Trump continues to dominate Canadian media....including Ralph Nader (another American) interview about Trump on The National:

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/the-national-for-november-20-2016-1.3859960

Hard to ignore a neanderthal taking over such a large country don't you think?

[bush_cheney2004]

44 minutes ago, Omni said:

Hard to ignore a neanderthal taking over such a large country don't you think?

 

Canada can't ignore anything in the United States.    Noses are always pressed to the window, looking south.