Moonlight Graham Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Give 'er hell! Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 There is no doubt, on paper, Clinton won hands down in the debate......but then, Trump also lost debates to Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz etc etc.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 I wonder if we'll get 2.7 million new accounts from Reddit and 4chan users voting for Trump? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted September 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 There is no doubt, on paper, Clinton won hands down in the debate......but then, Trump also lost debates to Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz etc etc.... I think Trump was winning in the first half, he walloped her on ie: trade and ISIS, then he got caught on the defensive much of the time in the 2nd half and seemed to lose his moxy. I really don't see the MSM saying Clinton won hands down. I can see people saying she won though. I actually thought it was basically a tie, but he squeaked out a win since most people would watch the 1st half and turn the channel around an hour in when it got more mellow. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted September 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 Maybe we should euthanize all boomers now before the healthcare and pension costs get astronomical! Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 I think Trump was winning in the first half, he walloped her on ie: trade and ISIS, then he got caught on the defensive much of the time in the 2nd half and seemed to lose his moxy. I really don't see the MSM saying Clinton won hands down. I can see people saying she won though. I actually thought it was basically a tie, but he squeaked out a win since most people would watch the 1st half and turn the channel around an hour in when it got more mellow. I don't disagree, without a doubt he started off with a manner of poise, likewise landed some good blows on Clinton.......but both Clinton and the moderator gave Trump enough rope to hang himself with, and in some cases he did.......I'm surprised though that he didn't go after Bill Clinton and the Clinton foundation, thats too his advantage. My point though, much the same can be said of Trump throughout the GOP primaries......and it did not mater one iota.....at the end of the day, Trump was Trump and Clinton was a snooty old bag......I doubt the debate will have much an effect for either's fortunes, but I guess we shall see later this week when the creditable polls are finished and released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 My point though, much the same can be said of Trump throughout the GOP primaries......and it did not mater one iota.....at the end of the day, Trump was Trump and Clinton was a snooty old bag......I doubt the debate will have much an effect for either's fortunes, but I guess we shall see later this week when the creditable polls are finished and released. Definitely... it's not a question of how media analysts and fact-checkers saw it, it's a question of how undecided voters saw it. The Guardian's undecided voter panel gave Hillary the edge, but others might have seen it differently. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderfish Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 (edited) I think Trump was winning in the first half, he walloped her on ie: trade and ISIS, then he got caught on the defensive much of the time in the 2nd half and seemed to lose his moxy. I really don't see the MSM saying Clinton won hands down. I can see people saying she won though. I actually thought it was basically a tie, but he squeaked out a win since most people would watch the 1st half and turn the channel around an hour in when it got more mellow. Like many others, my take was that Trump came out strong at the start but got caught up in the shyte later on, giving Hillary the upper hand and putting him on defense. But I’m wondering what was up with that moderator? In my opinion the discomfort I felt over some of Trump’s twisted up answers was only eclipsed by my surprise of the unabashed bias and one-sidedness of the questioning. While Trump was being fed questions like “don’t Americans have the right to know who you owe money to” or “why did it take you so long to acknowledge what most Americans have accepted for years (regarding Obama’s natural born citizenship)”, or “what do you have to say to people of colour”, or “why is your judgement of the Iraq war different than that of Mrs. Clinton's”, or what did you mean when you said Mrs. Clinton doesn’t have a presidential look”…while all that was coming at him from the moderator, the most pressing question asked of Clinton was ”would you like to respond to any of your email issues?" There were no questions about any of her skeletons, the Clinton Foundation, Benghazi, the DNC scandal by Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the 11 million dollar speeches, calling half the American population deplorable, etc. While Trump was pressed no less than three separate times about his taxes, there was no follow up to Clinton’s email issues. I am definitely no fan of Trump and frankly think that America loses regardless of which one of them ends up as leader. But I would at least expect fairness and impartiality in the questioning if a winner and loser is to be determined in the debate. Edited September 28, 2016 by Spiderfish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 While Trump was pressed no less than three separate times about his taxes, there was no follow up to Clinton’s email issues. Perhaps because Clinton provided clear answers and Trump didn`t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 The last 9 debates, the person that won the 1st ,lost the presidency. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 (edited) The last 9 debates, the person that won the 1st ,lost the presidency. Good point...Hillary Clinton thought she could run a victory lap after her debates with Barack Obama as well. We all know how that turned out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_debates_and_forums,_2008#April_26.2C_2007_.E2.80.93_Orangeburg.2C_South_Carolina.2C_South_Carolina_State_University Edited September 28, 2016 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 The last 9 debates, the person that won the 1st ,lost the presidency. Where did you cook up that from? The opposite has generally be the case. Note that sometimes there is a difference of opinion on who won the debate. For example in 2008, the political pundits said Clinton won but the public polls said Obama did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 (edited) Unscientific non-traditional online polls voted Trump as the winner. CNBC, Time magazine online polls say Donald Trump won the first presidential debate“The presidential debate is over and both candidates have made their case to the American voter. We heard their positions on homeland security, the economy and the future direction of the country. Now it’s your turn to tell us who the big winner was,” CNBC asked in their poll. A current total of 960,300 people voted. The results: 67 percent said Mr. Trump won the bout, 33 percent voted for Mrs. Clinton. “Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump faced off at their first presidential debate Monday. Who do you think won?” asked Time in their version. Over 1.6 million people responded. The results: 55 percent sided with Mr. Trump, 45 percent with Mrs. Clinton. An online poll from The Washington Times and another from the Drudge Report also found that Mr. Trump was the victor. There were many more, however. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/27/cnbc-time-magazine-online-polls-say-donald-trump-w/ Scarborough Hypes The Drudge Report Poll Claiming Trump Won Debate Right After Mocking It Scarborough: "The Fact That You Have 80% Of The People Revved Up Enough To Go To These Polls Suggests Something About The Level Of Intensity" http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/09/27/scarborough-hypes-drudge-report-poll-claiming-trump-won-debate-right-after-mocking-it/213360 I think Trump was the clear winner in that debate, although he was on the defensive at the last half. He managed to swing and land good ones, though while on the defense. That first one gave him a sample of Hillary. The last two debates should be very interesting. Edited September 29, 2016 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 The last 9 debates, the person that won the 1st ,lost the presidency. I'm not asking in a confrontational way, but where did you read this? Google isn't coming up with anything but it sounds interesting. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 Unscientific non-traditional online polls voted Trump as the winner. http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/06/opinion/otis-regulations-job-creation/ None of the links in your post or quote say that. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 None of the links in your post or quote say that.But seeing as they are unscientific, online polls, you can decide for yourself what they mean. Therefore, Trump was the winner! Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 On line "polls" mean nothing. You can vote as often as you want and there is no accountability of who, what you are. There is software available that will vote on online polls for as many times as you want. I would suggest that a poll of inmates of penal institutions would indicate that the majority disagree with mandatory minimal sentences. There a tens of millions of dollars being spent on this election. I can guarantee that each campaign has hundreds of supporters monitoring and manipulating anonymous on-line commentary. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 Unscientific non-traditional online polls voted Trump as the winner. I wonder how many Russians voted in these polls. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 On line "polls" mean nothing. You can vote as often as you want and there is no accountability of who, what you are. What a Trump supporter cheating? Say it isn`t so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 On line "polls" mean nothing. You can vote as often as you want and there is no accountability of who, what you are. Most of them will only allow one vote per IP address. Supporters for both candidates will flock to make their vote heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 Most of them will only allow one vote per IP address. Supporters for both candidates will flock to make their vote heard. Here are 4 standard (i.e. non rigged on-line) polls: CNN: Hillary +35 YouGov: Hillary +27 Morning Consult: Hillary +23 PPP: Hillary +11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 Here are 4 standard (i.e. non rigged on-line) polls: CNN: Hillary +35 YouGov: Hillary +27 Morning Consult: Hillary +23 PPP: Hillary +11 You just cherry picked the few that gave the result you liked. There's nothing rigged about a poll that lets anyone vote. The results aren't scientific, for sure, but everyone has the same chance to show their support for whomever they like if they feel strongly enough to bother doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderfish Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 (edited) Perhaps because Clinton provided clear answers and Trump didn`t. His answer was pretty straight forward, all she has to do is release her 33,000 deleted emails. What about the Clinton Foundation...Benghazi...the deplorables that make up half the American population?? Was her answer to those questions clear enough?...Oh right, she didn't have to account for or answer to those gems. The vacuous silence was crystal clear. Edited September 28, 2016 by Spiderfish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 You just cherry picked the few that gave the result you liked. There's nothing rigged about a poll that lets anyone vote. The results aren't scientific, for sure, but everyone has the same chance to show their support for whomever they like if they feel strongly enough to bother doing so. You are right, I did cherry pick. I picked standard polls and excluded on-line polls that are subject to rigging. Please find other standard polls and add them to the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 His answer was pretty straight forward, all she has to do is release her 33,000 deleted emails. What about the Clinton Foundation...Benghazi...the deplorables that make up half the American population?? Actually she said they make up half of Trump supporters which, at that time, considering undecideds, was no more than 30% and probably less. So no more than 15% of the whole population fit in the basket, which seems correct. But she apologized anyway. For telling the truth. We will never see the day Donald apologizes for telling he truth because he will never make that mistake. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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