Former Israeli PM on Israel's credibility + Fascism

[PIK]

Whitewashing and misinformation is the name of the game for today's Zionists. Very little has come out from the censorship, and the things that have trickled through are quite disgusting:

From 1967

Nonetheless, some of the declassified material was revealing. Uzi Narkiss, who headed the army's central command at the time, suggested that he and other commanders hoped to ethnically cleanse most of the territories under cover of fighting. He told fellow officers: "Within 72 hours we'll drive out all the Arabs from the West Bank".

From Nakba

the publication of a soldier's letter in the Haaretz newspaper, detailing the execution of hundreds of Palestinian men, women and children at the village of Dawaymeh, near Hebron.

On par with ISIS.

When your buddies are ready to fight like men and quit hiding under the skirts of women and behind children, alot less will die. War is hell.

[Big Guy]

Not only are the Israelis changing the ownership of Palestinian land but they are also changing the history of the region to eliminate anything before Israel:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/israel-removes-key-sites-jerusalem-city-map-160605110610513.html

I guess genocide requires the obliteration of the whole previous culture.

Shame!

[bush_cheney2004]

...I guess genocide requires the obliteration of the whole previous culture.

Shame!

I wonder where they learned that ? Residential schools are next.....

[kactus]

Not only are the Israelis changing the ownership of Palestinian land but they are also changing the history of the region to eliminate anything before Israel:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/israel-removes-key-sites-jerusalem-city-map-160605110610513.html

I guess genocide requires the obliteration of the whole previous culture.

Shame!

What goes around comes around....

Israelis haven't matured enough to learn it the hard way. Next time their appologists scream of anti semitism and play the victims no one will give a hoot.

Edited June 12, 2016 by kactus

[DogOnPorch]

What goes around comes around....

Israelis haven't matured enough to learn it the hard way. Next time their appologists scream of anti semitism and play the victims no one will give a hoot.

Try as you might, the cause you support was started by a Nazi and an anti-Semite. Nothing you can say...or nothing Israel does...will change that.

[kactus]

Try as you might, the cause you support was started by a Nazi and an anti-Semite. Nothing you can say...or nothing Israel does...will change that.

Irrelevant....

[DogOnPorch]

Irrelevant....

To you it is irrelevant as you don't find supporting such a cause distasteful.

Most folks will...and do...find Nazis and terrorists distasteful.

[kactus]

To you it is irrelevant as you don't find supporting such a cause distasteful.

Most folks will...and do...find Nazis and terrorists distasteful.

As some members on this firum have pointed out to you if you want to stay "relevant" and contribute to the topic by all means....

....Fortunately unlike you my vocabulary is not just confined to a few words (anti-semitism, mufti, israel won all the arab wars, bla bla bla) and to justify the attrocities committed against the Palestinians....there's only that much you can milk the golden cow...After a while it becomes tiresome in view of what else is happening in that part of the world.

Your revisionist approach to history neglects one big factor....the root cause of nazism in Germany...,

Israel today is a fascist state resembling the old Germany!

Otherwise why stop here why not blame all new generations in Germany because guess what they had a Führer back then....

[DogOnPorch]

The Mufti...a Nazi and anti-Semite...founded the Palestinian Cause. That's the reality....if you claim it is 'revisionist'...that is, the Mufti didn't start the Palestinian Cause and wasn't a Nazi. By all means, post a link to the real father of the Palestinian Cause.

[eyeball]

The Palestinian Cause would have happened no matter who happened to wield power or influence at the time. That it was your precious Mufti is mere happenstance.

Would it have made any difference if it had been a Gandhi or an Aung San Suu Kyi?

[bush_cheney2004]

....Would it have made any difference if it had been a Gandhi or an Aung San Suu Kyi?

Yes...see "nonviolent resistance".

[DogOnPorch]

The Palestinian Cause would have happened no matter who happened to wield power or influence at the time. That it was your precious Mufti is mere happenstance.

Would it have made any difference if it had been a Gandhi or an Aung San Suu Kyi?

No actually. Without al-Husseini's clan making the same claim to the Temple Mount as the Hashemites*, there was no need for yet another Arab country with no visible means of support...it would be Jordan...as it was...or Egypt in Gaza's case. Or did you figure the years between 1949-1967 were spent frantically building Fatah/PLO into a country? What? Not a peep about it??

Best go read-up on the actual history, eh? Like how the Mufti assassinated Jordan's King for DARING to have peace talks with Israel.

Or Nasser...another pill...how his Pan-Arabism laid the groundwork for yet another go at Israel in 1967. And how the PLO suddenly became...gasp...valuable...after the Arab attack failed utterly. There's so much rookies don't account for...

* Both clans claimed to be kin of Mohammad.

Edited June 13, 2016 by DogOnPorch

[marcus]

Yes...see "nonviolent resistance".

There is a lot of nonviolent resistance, especially today. Unfortunately, they are being met with a lot of violence.

[DogOnPorch]

There is a lot of nonviolent resistance, especially today. Unfortunately, they are being met with a lot of violence.

Why not post a link to one of these non-violent resistance events where Israel uses violence to stop it? Much more convincing...

[bush_cheney2004]

There is a lot of nonviolent resistance, especially today. Unfortunately, they are being met with a lot of violence.

So ? Again, see "nonviolent resistance".

[marcus]

So ? Again, see "nonviolent resistance".

Did you try to make a point somewhere? What point are you trying to make?

[DogOnPorch]

Did you try to make a point somewhere? What point are you trying to make?

Non-violent resistance is non-violent resistance. Fatah/PLO/'Palestinians' chose violence, however...and continue to do so.

[Hudson Jones]

Not all Zionists have the same beliefs, of course. Some though, when you read what they say can be difficult to distinguish from ISIS leaders. Look at this dirty radical Zionist, who happens to be an IDF coloen-rabbi for example:

In response to this question:

Is it allowed in our days [sic] for an IDF soldier, for example, to rape girls during a fight, or is such a thing forbidden?

IDF colonel-rabbi implies: Rape is permitted in war

Answering a question from a concerned reader regarding the Torah’s position on rape during war, Colonel Eyal Qarim of the Military Rabbinate wrote nine years ago – out of uniform – that ‘prohibitions against immorality’ are removed during war.

Link

Edited June 17, 2016 by Hudson Jones

[Rue]

Not all Zionists have the same beliefs, of course. Some though, when you read what they say can be difficult to distinguish from ISIS leaders. Look at this dirty radical Zionist, who happens to be an IDF coloen-rabbi for example:

In response to this question:

IDF colonel-rabbi implies: Rape is permitted in war

Answering a question from a concerned reader regarding the Torah’s position on rape during war, Colonel Eyal Qarim of the Military Rabbinate wrote nine years ago – out of uniform – that ‘prohibitions against immorality’ are removed during war.

Link

Your posing as knowing what Zionists think is preumptious, arrogant, and of course without basis. You words engage in negative stereotyping of all Zionists. Your words smeer and insult Zionists. Not that its a surprise. I have never seen a post from you that does not contain smeers and negative stereotypes of Israelis, Zionists, Jews or anyone you disagree with.

I out and out accuse you of engaging in a dishonest misrepresentation of what this colonel said. The colonel never referred to sexual assault or rape ever. Hudson Jones has removed the actual context as to what he was referring to and read in something no Rabbia can ever condone or would condone.

What the rabbia was referring to was in fact killing a terrorist or enemy soldier or having to initiate a killing to avoid being killled when fighting terorists or enemy soldiers.

The attempt to misrepresent this quote as suggesting the Rabia was referring to rape is Hudson Jone's invention. It is an out and out bold faced misrepresentation.

Its this kind of tactic, taking quotes out of their context and trying to remove them from their actual context to mean something else that is why I condone the words of Hudson Jones on this board.

In my opinion he engages in such smeers to try focus away from the fact that as we speak ISIS rapes and engages in genocide against Yazidis. That he won't discuss. He won't discuss the rape of young boys by Muslim adults in Afghanistan would in the next breath claim gays are evil and should be killed and deny any exist in Afghanistan. He won' acknowledge what happens to Muslim women who are raped in Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia and how they are killed and sentenced to stoning and death for adultery.

For me this constant attempt to flood the board with false accusations against all Zionists. Israelis, Jews, speaks for itself and it may bring solace for the usual entourage of anti Israelis on this board but I am confident in saying the majority of this board see these tactics and comments for what they are-anti semitic drivel.

[Rue]

Did you try to make a point somewhere? What point are you trying to make?

How about you ask yourself that question. I believe your point was to start yet another thread permitting you a platform to piss on anything you think

is Jewish, Zionist, Israeli, American or Western. I believe that is your point, and I believe with the exception of a rather small clique on this board who join you in flooding the board with the same recycled anti semitic comments, you are achieving nothing.

I believe you asked him what his point was, because you have no idea how to repudiate what he said and your point is not to debate and exchange ideas but make unilateral negative allegations and insults against Jews, Zionists and Israelis as well as Americans and Westerners.

I believe your thread is a platform to express and incite anti-semitism and does not contain an iota of legitimate criticism towards any government policy or initiative of any kind.

[marcus]

How about you ask yourself that question. I believe your point was to start yet another thread permitting you a platform to piss on anything you think

is Jewish, Zionist, Israeli, American or Western. I believe that is your point, and I believe with the exception of a rather small clique on this board who join you in flooding the board with the same recycled anti semitic comments, you are achieving nothing.

I believe you asked him what his point was, because you have no idea how to repudiate what he said and your point is not to debate and exchange ideas but make unilateral negative allegations and insults against Jews, Zionists and Israelis as well as Americans and Westerners.

I believe your thread is a platform to express and incite anti-semitism and does not contain an iota of legitimate criticism towards any government policy or initiative of any kind.

You can answer on his behalf if you'd like, but I'm not interested in what your answer is.

And no, you're wrong. This thread is about the fascist direction Israel is going towards. I'm more than happy to repeat that many Jews are against the cancerous ideology of Zionism. In fact, many of the leaders in the fight against Zionism are Jewish. It's great to see so many Jews outside of Israel expressing their disgust of Israel's actions.

[bush_cheney2004]

.....I believe you asked him what his point was, because you have no idea how to repudiate what he said and your point is not to debate and exchange ideas but make unilateral negative allegations and insults against Jews, Zionists and Israelis as well as Americans and Westerners.

Agreed...the "point" is so obvious and fundamental that it ruins the game...best to ignore it and continue to rail against "fascist" Jews, Israelis, and Zionists.

[Rue]

1. I speak for myself, no one else.

2. I find your words on this thread to be anti semitic drool.

3. I find your attempt to lecture me that anti Zionist Jews are good but Zionist Jews are bad a stale

tactic that shows your true agenda-to attack and insult Jews who you think don't agree with you.

4. The Jew you create that hates Israel and wants it destroyed is a subjective projection you have created-

you can refer to these imaginary Jews all you want posing them as agreeing with you and making your opinions

seem more valid but puffing your words behind an imagined anti Zionist Jew gang for me simply reveals since

you have no objective basis for your positions, you create gangs to emerse yourself in to try make your words

seem larger than they actually are.

5.Your continuing diatribes on Zionists, Jews and Israelis are all identical. The thread starter title does not hide

the fact that none of your threads contain anything new and simply are platforms to

make insults at Jews, Israel and Zionists.

Bad Joo. How dare Joo have country. Bad bad bad. Its delightful to see Jews hate other Jews. There now your latest comments have been summarized we can all move on until you repeat it again,

Anti semitic drivel and drool.

Edited June 19, 2016 by Rue

[marcus]

1. I speak for myself, no one else.

2. I find your words on this thread to be anti semitic drool.

3. I find your attempt to lecture me that anti Zionist Jews are good but Zionist Jews are bad a stale

tactic that shows your true agenda-to attack and insult Jews who you think don't agree with you.

4. The Jew you create that hates Israel and wants it destroyed is a subjective projection you have created-

you can refer to these imaginary Jews all you want posing them as agreeing with you and making your opinions

seem more valid but puffing your words behind an imagined anti Zionist Jew gang for me simply reveals since

you have no objective basis for your positions, you create gangs to emerse yourself in to try make your words

seem larger than they actually are.

5.Your continuing diatribes on Zionists, Jews and Israelis are all identical. The thread starter title does not hide

the fact that none of your threads contain anything new and simply are platforms to

make insults at Jews, Israel and Zionists.

Bad Joo. How dare Joo have country. Bad bad bad. Its delightful to see Jews hate other Jews. There now your latest comments have been summarized we can all move on until you repeat it again,

Anti semitic drivel and drool.

I think people should be able to have their own country, whether they are Jewish, Muslim, Christian or whatever else they want to identify themselves with. However, it becomes wrong when it is at the expense of the rights of others. Which is what Zionism is all about. It's about accepting that it's okay to take away other people's basic rights for their own selfish agenda. Zionism, based on the value of human rights, should be rejected and I'm glad to see that the rejection continues to increase.

[Rue]

I think people should be able to have their own country, whether they are Jewish, Muslim, Christian or whatever else they want to identify themselves with. However, it becomes wrong when it is at the expense of the rights of others. Which is what Zionism is all about. It's about accepting that it's okay to take away other people's basic rights for their own selfish agenda. Zionism, based on the value of human rights, should be rejected and I'm glad to see that the rejection continues to increase.

Your latest words are amusing. Now you suggest everyone should be able to have their own counties including Jews, then contradict youself and say um no not Jews because in your world. Jews are the only people in the world who created a country at the expense of the rights of others.

Lol. You haven't a clue how absurd your words are. You now single out Jews as the only people to have created a country at the expense of the rights of others.

Just as I thought your responses could not get more idiotic in your attempt to be anti semitic and rationalize discriminating against Jews, you do it again....only ...now Jews are the only people in the world you seem to believe negatively impacted on the rights of "others" in the history of their nation's coming into existence.

Wow your words give new meaning to the words " clueless" and "anti-semitic drivel".

Lol, Yep them Jews... only people you notice on this planet to have negatively impacted on someone.

Your words however offer an excellent window into the mind of someone who has been conditioned to live in a world that can only see and repeat one prayer over and over without understanding it at all.

Edited June 21, 2016 by Rue