America under President Trump

[Charles Anthony]

Folks, 

Avoid personal attacks. 

[Iceni warrior]

On 12/30/2019 at 10:07 PM, Yzermandius19 said:

There is little difference. You calling Trump a fascist because you don't like him doesn't change that, some people call Cherry a fascist too. Trump does not hate the troops, he just hates John McCain. You not liking him doesn't mean he's hurting America, that's just your interpretation which is clearly clouded by Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Oh please, tell us how you think feminism and environmentalism are Communist you giant hypocrite.

[Rue]

On 12/30/2019 at 5:07 PM, Yzermandius19 said:

There is little difference. You calling Trump a fascist because you don't like him doesn't change that, some people call Cherry a fascist too. Trump does not hate the troops, he just hates John McCain. You not liking him doesn't mean he's hurting America, that's just your interpretation which is clearly clouded by Trump Derangement Syndrome.

I call Trump a fascist for many reasons mostly because he embraces a style of patriotism or chavenism or political pornography that excites  people  based on fears and the perception of himself as their bad ass saviour from those fears. He plays the role of Ron Jeremy or Harry Reems (look that up) in porno  but in politics. Its a style of politics best described as fascistic because it is what it is. There is no foreplauy or subtley, he just pulls it out and spews on cue. Mussolini, Franco, Hitler, Salazar in Portugal, Allende in Chile, many were from the military others were not but they used this populist hateful approach. 

Its not simply because I "hate" him I challenge him. I actally do not think Trump hates US soldiers. I think he likes them and sees himself as their hero. I do argue  he deeply disrepects the chain of command in the US Armed Forces and is at logger's head with them over many things he says and does and in particular Russia, China, Turkey, Ukraine , North Korea and Syria. That said it is highly confusing what is going on because he on the one hand openly supports and empowers fascists like Putin, Erdogan and Kim but on the other hand I do acknowledge  the US naval presence in the South Pacific has not been harmed by him and off the coast of Syria US naval operations have been beefed up.

I do believe his divisive and toxic presence in NATO has embolded Russia in Ukraine but the unintended side effect of that is countries like Britain, France and Germany have to seriously decide now  how much money will they spend on NATO and containing Russia. In one respect it is true NATO is too reliant on US financing. Fair is fair on that point but the way he establishes the point is embarrassing to his country and the US Armed Forces.

So it is not every thing he says or does I have a problem with. Look Trump has fired everyone and I mean everyone who has worked for him including former military generals. He is a deranged man with clear personality defects.  Its no secret he got into  power because the US Armed Forces Intelligence network saw him as the default candidate compared to Hilary Clinton-Obama-Biden-Bush who they saw as too pro CIA-FBI which they found corrupted politically. and that battle continues behind the scenes.

The problem is Trump is a rogue. He is a bafoon. I am not sure how much of that is allowed by people behind the scenes as a useful distraction from the true agenda and how much of it is just unplanned chaos as the powers behind the scenes fight to impose their power networks. I also believe Trump is compromised. To deny his wife's father is deeply connected to Putin is ridiculous. He picked her up from the same escort agency Prince Harry found Meaghan, part of the sordid Epstein network and who the hell knows who was behind the Epstein sex  network which was one massive cluster phack of corrupted politicians and rich wannabees.

The media has all but ignored his connection to Melania's father and the Putin spy network and its connection to the Epstein escort network.  I suspect much more of Trump is connected and no different to the vile filth associated with Clinton that you.

All that said there is good reason to challenge Trump on many things whether one is a conservative, liberal, evangelical Christian, communist, whatever. I do not approve of Trump not because of derangement syndrome but because like many we find him, Putin, and others who use that form of leadership to be unstable, dangerous, sociopaths and that they are. They spend inordinate amounts of time and other peoples' energy propping their own anxieties, insecurities and fears.

To me great Americans like RFK, MLK, Eisenhower were disciplined in how they talked to others and showed an ability to inspire through positive not negative messages. We are a far cry from such leadership and one must ask, what happened in the US that its citizens settle for such sewer politics? Just how much lower does it descend? We seem to have settled all over the world to leaders who no longer inspire in the political realm and if we want inspiration, to look to marginalized artists.

I look to the next generation and ask, who will they look to for leaders and hope they find people better than Trump, Trudeau, Putin, etc. How do we get the next generations to turn their energy and focus from military jingoism to world climate and environmental issues? 

The only syndrome you should be talking off is small penis syndrome because excuse my Freudian tendencies but that is all that we see in Putin, Kim, Trump, men obsessed with how tiny their penises are trying to over-compensate as bad asses when everyone of them is a bottom trying to reconcile the guilt that comes from what they see is that preference. What you don't think Melania is his dominatrix? Explain that to Bush-Chaney.

Trump to me is just another political porn actor who needs to clean himself. I am not sure what that is all over him but he needs a shower.

Call me old fashioned but I much prefer Lauren Bacall in To Have and Have Not, then Linda Lovelace. 

Edited January 1, 2020 by Rue

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, Rue said:

I do believe his divisive and toxic presence in NATO has embolded Russia in Ukraine but the unintended side effect of that is countries like Britain, France and Germany have to seriously decide now  how much money will they spend on NATO and containing Russia. In one respect it is true NATO is too reliance on US financing. Fair is fair.

 

No...Trump's "toxic presence" has had a very intended and direct effect on all NATO deadbeats, including Canada.   Trump is not the first U.S. president to call out NATO deadbeats, but he has been the most effective.    

[OftenWrong]

36 minutes ago, Rue said:

I suspect much more of Trump today is a chaotic accident and think we tend to credit too much intelligence and planning to foreign and other policies by people in his offices.

I doubt this. For one, he has so many enemies that seek to undermine him at his every turn, he would be doomed to fail unless there was some directed thought and effort behind it. 

The problem now is that the left media has gone over the cliff and carried their BS narrative for so long, no one can believe it any more. So they have to come up with excuses like this, "lucky".

Edited January 1, 2020 by OftenWrong

[Yzermandius19]

Not all nationalists are fascists. Claiming that Trump's nationalism makes him a fascist is nonsensical.

[Yzermandius19]

14 hours ago, Iceni warrior said:

Oh please, tell us how you think feminism and environmentalism are Communist you giant hypocrite.

Communists infest both movements. That doesn't mean all feminists and environmentalists are communists, anymore than all nationalists are fascists.

Edited January 2, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[WestCanMan]

11 hours ago, Rue said:

I call Trump a fascist for many reasons mostly because he embraces a style of patriotism or chavenism or political pornography that excites  people  based on fears and the perception of himself as their bad ass saviour from those fears. He plays the role of Ron Jeremy or Harry Reems (look that up) in porno  but in politics. Its a style of politics best described as fascistic because it is what it is. There is no foreplauy or subtley, he just pulls it out and spews on cue. Mussolini, Franco, Hitler, Salazar in Portugal, Allende in Chile, many were from the military others were not but they used this populist hateful approach. 

Its not simply because I "hate" him I challenge him. I actally do not think Trump hates US soldiers. I think he likes them and sees himself as their hero. I do argue  he deeply disrepects the chain of command in the US Armed Forces and is at logger's head with them over many things he says and does and in particular Russia, China, Turkey, Ukraine , North Korea and Syria. That said it is highly confusing what is going on because he on the one hand openly supports and empowers fascists like Putin, Erdogan and Kim but on the other hand I do acknowledge  the US naval presence in the South Pacific has not been harmed by him and off the coast of Syria US naval operations have been beefed up.

I do believe his divisive and toxic presence in NATO has embolded Russia in Ukraine but the unintended side effect of that is countries like Britain, France and Germany have to seriously decide now  how much money will they spend on NATO and containing Russia. In one respect it is true NATO is too reliant on US financing. Fair is fair on that point but the way he establishes the point is embarrassing to his country and the US Armed Forces.

So it is not every thing he says or does I have a problem with. Look Trump has fired everyone and I mean everyone who has worked for him including former military generals. He is a deranged man with clear personality defects.  Its no secret he got into  power because the US Armed Forces Intelligence network saw him as the default candidate compared to Hilary Clinton-Obama-Biden-Bush who they saw as too pro CIA-FBI which they found corrupted politically. and that battle continues behind the scenes.

The problem is Trump is a rogue. He is a bafoon. I am not sure how much of that is allowed by people behind the scenes as a useful distraction from the true agenda and how much of it is just unplanned chaos as the powers behind the scenes fight to impose their power networks. I also believe Trump is compromised. To deny his wife's father is deeply connected to Putin is ridiculous. He picked her up from the same escort agency Prince Harry found Meaghan, part of the sordid Epstein network and who the hell knows who was behind the Epstein sex  network which was one massive cluster phack of corrupted politicians and rich wannabees.

The media has all but ignored his connection to Melania's father and the Putin spy network and its connection to the Epstein escort network.  I suspect much more of Trump is connected and no different to the vile filth associated with Clinton that you.

All that said there is good reason to challenge Trump on many things whether one is a conservative, liberal, evangelical Christian, communist, whatever. I do not approve of Trump not because of derangement syndrome but because like many we find him, Putin, and others who use that form of leadership to be unstable, dangerous, sociopaths and that they are. They spend inordinate amounts of time and other peoples' energy propping their own anxieties, insecurities and fears.

To me great Americans like RFK, MLK, Eisenhower were disciplined in how they talked to others and showed an ability to inspire through positive not negative messages. We are a far cry from such leadership and one must ask, what happened in the US that its citizens settle for such sewer politics? Just how much lower does it descend? We seem to have settled all over the world to leaders who no longer inspire in the political realm and if we want inspiration, to look to marginalized artists.

I look to the next generation and ask, who will they look to for leaders and hope they find people better than Trump, Trudeau, Putin, etc. How do we get the next generations to turn their energy and focus from military jingoism to world climate and environmental issues? 

The only syndrome you should be talking off is small penis syndrome because excuse my Freudian tendencies but that is all that we see in Putin, Kim, Trump, men obsessed with how tiny their penises are trying to over-compensate as bad asses when everyone of them is a bottom trying to reconcile the guilt that comes from what they see is that preference. What you don't think Melania is his dominatrix? Explain that to Bush-Chaney.

Trump to me is just another political porn actor who needs to clean himself. I am not sure what that is all over him but he needs a shower.

Call me old fashioned but I much prefer Lauren Bacall in To Have and Have Not, then Linda Lovelace. 

I don't doubt that you believe everything you just said, but you get all those talking points from the same news channel that has been wrong about single GD thing they've said for the past 3 years. 

CNN is a straight-up joke Rue. Sandman didn't go and mock a native, Dr Ford does not need to be believed, Smollett is a felon who staged a fake hate crime, islamic state was routed 4 years ahead of Obama's estimated timeline, Schiff's lies about the call between Trump & Zelenski were inexcusable and he should be impeached himself, FBI members actually got caught lying to a FISA court, Comey has been exposed as a total liar and a farce, the Russian collusion investigation was a hoax and Van Jones was caught admitting that he was aware of that fact, walls aren't racist, Biden actually does need to be investigated, etc, etc. If you're being honest, you actually know all this stuff but I think that you feel like your credibility is at stake if you admit that you've been stooged this whole time.

 If you took all of the CNN/Dem opinions that you love so much and strung them together to make a presidential platform you'd have no walls on the border, no ICE agents, free medical for everyone, free dental for everyone, free university for everyone, everyone would be guaranteed "a living wage", and somehow you think that wouldn't translate into a rush of 50M people at at the US border. And what would you stop them all with? Dogs, choppers, armed border guards, etc? Doesn't that seem dangerous to you? Can't you see anything wrong happening in that scenario? How many more of those kid-cages (that Obama liked so much) would you need in that scenario? Not just on the southern border mind you, you'd have millions pouring down from Canada as well. 

You're so hung up on winning the virtue-signalling competition of life that you deny reality at every turn. 

[Rue]

23 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

No...Trump's "toxic presence" has had a very intended and direct effect on all NATO deadbeats, including Canada.   Trump is not the first U.S. president to call out NATO deadbeats, but he has been the most effective.    

 Does your partisan bias chear leading have no end to it?  Now you want to argue being a sphincter muscle is effective? For what? Expelling manure?

[Rue]

12 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I don't doubt that you believe everything you just said, but you get all those talking points from the same news channel that has been wrong about single GD thing they've said for the past 3 years. 

CNN is a straight-up joke Rue. Sandman didn't go and mock a native, Dr Ford does not need to be believed, Smollett is a felon who staged a fake hate crime, islamic state was routed 4 years ahead of Obama's estimated timeline, Schiff's lies about the call between Trump & Zelenski were inexcusable and he should be impeached himself, FBI members actually got caught lying to a FISA court, Comey has been exposed as a total liar and a farce, the Russian collusion investigation was a hoax and Van Jones was caught admitting that he was aware of that fact, walls aren't racist, Biden actually does need to be investigated, etc, etc. If you're being honest, you actually know all this stuff but I think that you feel like your credibility is at stake if you admit that you've been stooged this whole time.

 If you took all of the CNN/Dem opinions that you love so much and strung them together to make a presidential platform you'd have no walls on the border, no ICE agents, free medical for everyone, free dental for everyone, free university for everyone, everyone would be guaranteed "a living wage", and somehow you think that wouldn't translate into a rush of 50M people at at the US border. And what would you stop them all with? Dogs, choppers, armed border guards, etc? Doesn't that seem dangerous to you? Can't you see anything wrong happening in that scenario? How many more of those kid-cages (that Obama liked so much) would you need in that scenario? Not just on the southern border mind you, you'd have millions pouring down from Canada as well. 

You're so hung up on winning the virtue-signalling competition of life that you deny reality at every turn. 

First off I am as partisan on my side as you are yours so I deserve all you BC, Shady, Y, etc. throw at me. Fair is fair and you know I respect that. That said and again to be fair. yes CNN is very anti Trump. For sure. Just as Fox is pro Trump. For that matter MNBC or whatever you call it is anti Trump. Hell I would go so far nto say with fairness, the mainstream press is anti Trump for sure. They obsess over many trivial things he does, yes. How much of that is deliberate and how much of that is as a result of reactive journalism to his douche bag approach to politics is hard to say. He has gone out of his way to alienate and insult the press as a deliberate manipulative tool to play himself as an underdog victim to the crowds he likes to play to so I can't dump it all on the press particularly his pathological lying.

I do candidly admit, I think American media walks into his baiting and narcissistic tirades and fuels them and adds to them. They could be spending more time avoiding editorialization and sticking to presenting cold objective facts to counter his non stop litany of lies. I also believe something really really stinks bad with Biden-Clinton not just Trump. I just do not see how a Biden-Trump election is a remedy or satisfactory or healthy response to it.

I think both sides are equally as corrupt and covering up and at this point I am not sure if anything in terms of a US investigative agency is not tainted by partisan politics one way or the other. We also agree the Dems are in a free fall in terms of an unrealistic mushy leftist quadrant of its party seems to have seized control in the absence of any strong leader. I mean Warren and my Uncle, what's his name, Uncle Bernie, oy, can you imagine that guy as President? Lol. 

The last sentence you said is true Wes in the sense I am definitely caught up in the virtue signalling but  not to deny reality but challenge what we have come to accept as the status quo and reality. Reality is what we make of it surely. Ideals may at times be unrealistic but my reality and others agree should not settle for Trump as status quo. We need better then that. So you bet a lot of it is virtue signalling because as much as I agree with you on many things I think we can't give up our ideals and while I may disagree with Eye on some leftist economic ideas I have to support his and others' comments on Trump as not being acceptable. Lying, insulting cheating, it aint right man. It just aint right. That said I admit I am only expressing partisan opinions like you but I agree with more of what you say than you think. I just have been giving you guys strong debate on this thread cuz its fun watching you guys twist and spin for Donny Boy. You remind me of Chubby Checker and that Beatles song Twist and Shout. I like to see myself as simply a Janis Joplin fan listen to Summertime...or maybe Marvin Gaye's lament....maybe Voodoo Chile and Jimmi. That's my tune. Trump is country music. The only country-Western I go by is the man Roy Orbison, Patsy Kline, Johny C or Ry Cooder.  Trump is Boxcar Willie blowing my brain up like the Martians. 

 

 

Edited January 2, 2020 by Rue

[bush_cheney2004]

2 hours ago, Rue said:

 Does your partisan bias chear leading have no end to it?  Now you want to argue being a sphincter muscle is effective? For what? Expelling manure?

 

No it doesn't...no ending in sight....read and weep:

Trump’s message is having an impact on NATO, secretary general says

 

Quote

“I’m saying that his message has been very clear and that his message is having an impact on defense spending. And this is important because we need fairer burden sharing in the NATO alliance,” he told CNBC’s Hadley Gamble at the Munich Security Conference on Saturday.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/16/trump-message-is-having-an-impact-on-nato-secretary-general-says.html

 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Rue said:

First off I am as partisan on my side as you are yours so I deserve all you BC, Shady, Y, etc. throw at me. Fair is fair and you know I respect that. That said and again to be fair. yes CNN is very anti Trump. For sure. Just as Fox is pro Trump. For that matter MNBC or whatever you call it is anti Trump. Hell I would go so far nto say with fairness, the mainstream press is anti Trump for sure. They obsess over many trivial things he does, yes. How much of that is deliberate and how much of that is as a result of reactive journalism to his douche bag approach to politics is hard to say. He has gone out of his way to alienate and insult the press as a deliberate manipulative tool to play himself as an underdog victim to the crowds he likes to play to so I can't dump it all on the press particularly his pathological lying.

I do candidly admit, I think American media walks into his baiting and narcissistic tirades and fuels them and adds to them. They could be spending more time avoiding editorialization and sticking to presenting cold objective facts to counter his non stop litany of lies. I also believe something really really stinks bad with Biden-Clinton not just Trump. I just do not see how a Biden-Trump election is a remedy or satisfactory or healthy response to it.

I think both sides are equally as corrupt and covering up and at this point I am not sure if anything in terms of a US investigative agency is not tainted by partisan politics one way or the other. We also agree the Dems are in a free fall in terms of an unrealistic mushy leftist quadrant of its party seems to have seized control in the absence of any strong leader. I mean Warren and my Uncle, what's his name, Uncle Bernie, oy, can you imagine that guy as President? Lol. 

The last sentence you said is true Wes in the sense I am definitely caught up in the virtue signalling but  not to deny reality but challenge what we have come to accept as the status quo and reality. Reality is what we make of it surely. Ideals may at times be unrealistic but my reality and others agree should not settle for Trump as status quo. We need better then that. So you bet a lot of it is virtue signalling because as much as I agree with you on many things I think we can't give up our ideals and while I may disagree with Eye on some leftist economic ideas I have to support his and others' comments on Trump as not being acceptable. Lying, insulting cheating, it aint right man. It just aint right. That said I admit I am only expressing partisan opinions like you but I agree with more of what you say than you think. I just have been giving you guys strong debate on this thread cuz its fun watching you guys twist and spin for Donny Boy. You remind me of Chubby Checker and that Beatles song Twist and Shout. I like to see myself as simply a Janis Joplin fan listen to Summertime...or maybe Marvin Gaye's lament....maybe Voodoo Chile and Jimmi. That's my tune. Trump is country music. The only country-Western I go by is the man Roy Orbison, Patsy Kline, Johny C or Ry Cooder.  Trump is Boxcar Willie blowing my brain up like the Martians. 

I appreciate your honest, accurate responses, Rue. Most people change the topic or dodge any subject matter that's uncomfortable or challenges their narrative.

I hope you and yours have a Happy New Year.

On the topic of Trump, I totally get the douchebag comment. He lacks the class of Obama and anyone else who has ever seemed presidential. I'd go so far as to say that regardless of how well the country runs under his guidance he will leave some sort of black eye on the presidency.

On the other hand, I think that he was necessary to some extent, to stem the tide of brainless, irrational, self-serving political correctness that is at a level where it is harmful to our way of life. Guys shouldn't be allowed to tuck in their junk and win golds in women's weightlifting, because women should have a chance to compete in sports. They shouldn't be allowed to use the girls' room, because the safety of little girls is more important than the feelings of adults who are in transition. We shouldn't be allowed to bash Christianity or Judaism 24/7 and yet be banned from ever talking about slam. Law and order forms the backbone of our society, it's not our enemy. CNN and the Dems have lost sight of these things, and in this post-truth world the people, like Trump, who tell a select group of hard, inescapable truths are the new "liars".

CNN isn't fake news, their credibility has sunk to the point that CNN is not "news" at all. It's spin, 24/7, with a smattering of whichever facts can be skewed to fit their narrative. The Schiff summary of Trump's call to Zelinsky is a perfect example of how CNN relays the news of the day to the people. It's utter garbage.

Trump isn't blowing up your brain. CNN's depiction of Trump is what's blowing up your brain.

 

 

[Cannucklehead]

Adam Schiff, the head of the House intelligence committee who helped lead the impeachment against Trump has responded to information revealed in newly unredacted emails about the freeze on military aid to Ukraine.

As part of our impeachment inquiry, the House subpoenaed these very documents. From their deeply incriminating character, we can now see why they were concealed: They directly corroborate witnesses who testified that military aid to Ukraine was withheld at the direction of the President and that the White House was informed doing so may violate the law. The Administration did not want Congress to find out why.

Like House speaker Nancy Pelosi, Schiff reiterated the need for a fair Senate trial that takes into account these new documents. “If [the documents] are not produced, the Senate and the American people must ask, what else is the President hiding?” Schiff said in a statement.

Sounds like a turtle just got flushed.  

[Boges]

So much for all that talk about keeping Murika out of foreign conflicts 

[Boges]

BTW Pelosi forcing Trump to give the State of the Union still under the shroud of Impeachment is brilliant. There's Zero chance he doesn't go on a campaign style rant. And she'll be sitting right behind him 

[Shady]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

So much for all that talk about keeping Murika out of foreign conflicts 

How many troops are on the ground?  How does this differ from the air strike conducted in Syria a couple of years ago?

[Argus]

48 minutes ago, Shady said:

How many troops are on the ground?  How does this differ from the air strike conducted in Syria a couple of years ago?

Well, it makes things a little more personal. If I was the top US general in the middle east I'd be seeing to hiring extra bodyguards...

[Cannucklehead]

Just now, Argus said:

Well, it makes things a little more personal. If I was the top US general in the middle east I'd be seeing to hiring extra bodyguards...

I'd be looking for a new job.  I've had some horrible bosses in my day but not even close to theirs.  

[Shady]

13 minutes ago, Argus said:

Well, it makes things a little more personal. If I was the top US general in the middle east I'd be seeing to hiring extra bodyguards...

I'm pretty sure US general's already deal with that on a daily basis.

[WestCanMan]

19 hours ago, Cannucklehead said:

Adam Schiff, the head of the House intelligence committee who helped lead the impeachment against Trump has responded to information revealed in newly unredacted emails about the freeze on military aid to Ukraine.

As part of our impeachment inquiry, the House subpoenaed these very documents. From their deeply incriminating character, we can now see why they were concealed: They directly corroborate witnesses who testified that military aid to Ukraine was withheld at the direction of the President and that the White House was informed doing so may violate the law. The Administration did not want Congress to find out why.

Like House speaker Nancy Pelosi, Schiff reiterated the need for a fair Senate trial that takes into account these new documents. “If [the documents] are not produced, the Senate and the American people must ask, what else is the President hiding?” Schiff said in a statement.

Sounds like a turtle just got flushed.  

And once again, Charlie Brown takes a run at that nicely teed-up football........ LMAO. 

Isn't this the 1,000th time in the last 3 years that Dems/CNN/the FBI have had the juicy dirt that they need to impeach Trump? They have been wrong 999 times in a row, and you just saw them lie for three straight weeks about "Trump asking the Ukrainians to make up dirt", and now you just put your blind faith in them telling the truth about whatever new crap they have....

The Dems want "a fair Senate trial" now? After the kangaroo court they just had in Congress where the GOP couldn't even call their own witnesses? Once again their hypocrisy, childishness and stupidity is at the forefront of their plan of action. "Everwun git on bord, tha impechmint trile is on agin yuk yuk!"

The Dems are a bunch of drowning "men" clutching at straws. If Trump farts in the bathroom now they yell "impeach". It's utterly pathetic. 

 

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, Boges said:

So much for all that talk about keeping Murika out of foreign conflicts 

That's all ya got? 

The Iranians tried to score a Benghazi v2.0 touchdown and they just got hoisted on their own petard. This isn't Murika starting shit overseas, it's America taking out the garbage. Even Trudeau commented on it:

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Shady said:

How many troops are on the ground?  How does this differ from the air strike conducted in Syria a couple of years ago?

More awesomeness. 

[Argus]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The Dems want "a fair Senate trial" now? After the kangaroo court they just had in Congress where the GOP couldn't even call their own witnesses?

The Republicans did not ask to call any witnesses with any relevant testimony to the indictment and refused to allow many people who did testify.

 

[Yzermandius19]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

The Republicans did not ask to call any witnesses with any relevant testimony to the indictment and refused to allow many people who did testify.

 

The Democrats only allowed witnesses to testify who were going to say things that they thought would hurt Trump, and refused to wait and allow other witnesses to testify, because they know they didn't have the goods and wanted to get impeachment over with, because the longer it drags on, the more it hurts them. Acting like the Republicans are the only one's acting partisan here is laughable.

Edited January 4, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[WestCanMan]

20 hours ago, Argus said:

The Republicans did not ask to call any witnesses with any relevant testimony to the indictment and refused to allow many people who did testify.

 

The Republicans weren't allowed to call witnesses. 

The Dems called hearsay witnesses, they didn't bring in any witnesses who had anything relevant to add in an actual trial. 

We know how the Dems feel about impeachment, we just haven't seen any evidence that it is warranted.