Yzermandius19 Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, eyeball said: Well, it sure looks like Politico Magazine, and the Atlantic know how to source their information such as interviewing credible witnesses like lawyers for example. Just writing it all off as fake news is fake debating. Your opinion is just plain ridiculous. I looked at your article, most of the sources were ex-employees or others who have no proof he said what they say he said, it's all their word against his, and you believe them because they paint Trump in a negative light, your opinion is the ridiculous one, you'll believe anything that makes Trump look bad, no matter how flimsy. No actual evidence presented where Trump says something racist publicly, just accusations he said or did things in private that have no corroboration. Very Fake News. Your entire argument is they are Politico, so I believe them, appeal to authority, no actual examination of the evidence presented, just you agree with Politico, and I should just take their word for it, no matter how flimsy their evidence is, because they are the "experts". That's ridiculous. Edited July 31, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote
eyeball Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: I looked at your article, most of the sources were ex-employees or others who have no proof he said what they say he said, it's all their word against his, and you believe them because they paint Trump in a negative light, your opinion is the ridiculous one, you'll believe anything that makes Trump look bad, no matter how flimsy. I take them seriously because I'm quite certain that serious media sources and journalists know how to carefully extract useful accurate information from people's recollection and testimony along with things like subpoenaed documents and court records. Politico and The Atlantic are not fake news. You're basically comparing them to media like the National Enquirer or Mad Magazine. As far as needing anyone to paint Trump in a bad light for me, he is quite capable of doing that himself. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, eyeball said: I take them seriously because I'm quite certain that serious media sources and journalists know how to carefully extract useful accurate information from people's recollection and testimony along with things like subpoenaed documents and court records. Politico and The Atlantic are not fake news. You're basically comparing them to media like the National Enquirer or Mad Magazine. As far as needing anyone to paint Trump in a bad light for me, he is quite capable of doing that himself. Except your certainty that they are unbiased and just doing their job is unfounded and that is plain as day reading the article. This story is the fakest of news, this is National Enquirer level garbage at best. Your trust is journalists is misguided, no news organizations reputation is good enough to not take their politics news with a massive grain of salt, blind faith is completely unwarranted. Edited July 31, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote
eyeball Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 16 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Except your certainty that they are unbiased and just doing their job is unfounded and that is plain as day reading the article. This story is the fakest of news, this is National Enquirer level garbage at best. Your trust is journalists is misguided, no news organizations reputation is good enough to not take their politics news with a massive grain of salt, blind faith is completely unwarranted. How is my certainty unfounded? Why is it as plain as day just from reading the article? You need to put up something other than your bias against media sources that otherwise stack up very highly in the stack of media sources out there. I mean, what else have you got, seriously? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, eyeball said: How is my certainty unfounded? Why is it as plain as day just from reading the article? You need to put up something other than your bias against media sources that otherwise stack up very highly in the stack of media sources out there. I mean, what else have you got, seriously? I pointed out that the sources they use in this article are disgruntled ex-employees and people who have no evidence he said what they say he said. It's all hearsay, and you have failed to address this point, instead pretending that because Politico used them as sources, they must be credible sources. Stop hiding behind the brand name publisher's credibility, and address the actual claims in the article relative to actual evidence presented. Appealing to authority is not a good argument, it's a logical fallacy. Edited July 31, 2019 by Yzermandius19 1 Quote
Boges Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: His supporters flock to him because the media and nutjobs keep calling him racist for things that obviously aren't racist, and they are sick of being called racist by these folks as well, so they sympathize with Trump for being mischaracterized like they are. You are the one who thinks criticizing black people is racist, assuming the only reason to criticize a black person would be because they are black and certainly it couldn't be for any legitimate reason. But that whole thought process is actually racist, what Trump has said is not racist. Just to be clear. Trump lost the popular vote. So he wasn't more popular than Hillary. The Trump Campaign hired Cambridge Analytica to target undecideds in swing states. Gotta give them credit, they strategized way better than the Dems. But he didn't come to power with some popular wave. Edited July 31, 2019 by Boges Quote
Boges Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 6 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: I pointed out that the sources they use in this article are disgruntled ex-employees and people who have no evidence he said what they say he said. It's all hearsay, and you have failed to address this point, instead pretending that because Politico used them as sources, they must be credible sources. Stop hiding behind the brand name publisher's credibility, and address the actual claims in the article relative to actual evidence presented. Appealing to authority is not a good argument, it's a logical fallacy. So the fact that it's reported he said that the Central Park 5 should be executed or that he said there were "fine" people at a White Suprematist Rally were anecdotal? I guess you're just keying on the reports that he wanted a Black v White season of the Apprentice and he called a contestant "Over educated". So it's convenient you'd just discredit all negative reports about Trump. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 You can tell that the Russia gambit has failed because we're back to the standard 'Trump is a racist' meme. Be sure to call the voters racist, too...they need a good scolding. 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
-TSS- Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 The entertaining feature about Trump is that he is like an elephant in a china-shop saying things which everyone knows are true but it is somehow considered inappropriate to say them aloud like the recent thing about Baltimore. Btw, years ago Bernie Sanders said about Baltimore that it is like a third world city. Now following Trump's comments he is along those condemning him. I wonder has Sanders become demented and he doesn't remember what he has said before. 1 Quote
Boges Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 11 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: You can tell that the Russia gambit has failed because we're back to the standard 'Trump is a racist' meme. Be sure to call the voters racist, too...they need a good scolding. Because Trump is doing Racist things. Can't do both? Even the GOP controlled Senate found that Russia tried to interfere with the election. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/senate-intelligence-report-finds-extensive-russian-election-interference-n1034736 Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, Boges said: Because Trump is doing Racist things. Can't do both? Even the GOP controlled Senate found that Russia tried to interfere with the election. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/senate-intelligence-report-finds-extensive-russian-election-interference-n1034736 Good...good...now go tell the voters they're all racists, as well. Go...your mission is clear. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Boges Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Good...good...now go tell the voters they're all racists, as well. Go...your mission is clear. Why would I tell them anything? I'm not American. I think if you believe Trump's lies, you're either racist or dumb as a stone. . . like their President. Also the Red State voters aren't the ones to target. They're the ones in the Rust belt being hurt by Trump's tax cuts and trade war. Edited July 31, 2019 by Boges Quote
Boges Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 Here's a good video showing Fox News coverage of Obama. The Hypocrisy is so amazing. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Boges said: Why would I tell them anything? I'm not American. I think if you believe Trump's lies, you're either racist or dumb as a stone. . . like their President. Also the Red State voters aren't the ones to target. They're the ones in the Rust belt being hurt by Trump's tax cuts and trade war. Playing coy all of a sudden, eh? Trump 2020...smell it. 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Boges Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Playing coy all of a sudden, eh? Trump 2020...smell it. I'd be more concerned about Trudeau 2019 TBH. The only way I see Trump winning if the people who votes for Obama that switched their vote or sat home do the same again. We're talking about 70,000 votes over 3 states. Trump has done nothing increase his popularity. Quote
egghead Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Boges said: Here's a good video showing Fox News coverage of Obama. The Hypocrisy is so amazing. if history repeats itself, trump will have 2 terms as well. having said that, trump does not want to be popular with everybody Edited July 31, 2019 by egghead 1 Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Boges said: I'd be more concerned about Trudeau 2019 TBH. The only way I see Trump winning if the people who votes for Obama that switched their vote or sat home do the same again. We're talking about 70,000 votes over 3 states. Trump has done nothing increase his popularity. Ah yes...Hillary has a 97.9% chance of winning. Trump is done! Heard that before. 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Boges Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 Excellent logic. If you're wrong once, you'll always be wrong. The Democrats will use the exact same strategy in 2020. Quote
GostHacked Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Boges said: I'd be more concerned about Trudeau 2019 TBH. The only way I see Trump winning if the people who votes for Obama that switched their vote or sat home do the same again. We're talking about 70,000 votes over 3 states. Trump has done nothing increase his popularity. Trump will win if the Democrats can't get their shit together and unify behind one of them and push real hard for it. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, Boges said: The Democrats will use the exact same strategy in 2020. I sure hope so! Hurry...there are deplorables to expose and scold. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Boges Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, DogOnPorch said: Hurry...there are deplorables to expose and scold. And Trump should hurry and bring all those Rust Belt factories back like he promised. Quote
Boges Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, GostHacked said: Trump will win if the Democrats can't get their shit together and unify behind one of them and push real hard for it. As opposed to 2016 where the establishment had Hillary essentially coronated. I would hope this 20 plus field isn't an indication of a divide in a year. Apparently after this round of debates, there'll be put some stricter guidelines on participants. But this is the time to show those divisions. In a year they better get behind the nominee, or Trump wins again. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, Boges said: And Trump should hurry and bring all those Rust Belt factories back like he promised. Good...good! Now tell them that instead of factories, they'll be paying higher taxes so that illegal aliens can have the health care Americans apparently can't afford...for FREE. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 Trump continues to dominate the Democrat psyche...he is in their heads....and they cannot shake it off: Quote On the face of it, beating Trump might not seem so far off. Recent poll numbers show Trump trailing or tied with Democrats in Ohio and Texas, as well as in bluer swing states he’d need to once again win the Electoral College. But he’s in Democrats’ heads. He’s in all their heads—fueling their stress that the division he’s sown is going to prove genius with voters. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/07/trump-debate-democrats-detroit/595066/ Now Trump is using their own "racism" against the Democrats...brilliant ! 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted July 31, 2019 Report Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, DogOnPorch said: Good...good! Now tell them that instead of factories, they'll be paying higher taxes so that illegal aliens can have the health care Americans apparently can't afford...for FREE. How about so that actual Americans can have Healthcare without $5,000 deductibles. Nice of you to concede those Rust-Belt promises were another Con by Trump. Quote
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